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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 11-28-09, 10:37 PM   #1
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Wheel Problems, Guidance Needed Badly!!!!!

I have had to true the back wheel on my OCR3 three times in 3 months leading up to today. Today it turned "egg-shaped" and I felt it vibrating in the rear. I knew it would happen as it is a very generic DA-22 and I am 315 as of today. I called around and was told a 36 spoke Mavic will be about $200-$250 built. I am unemployed and $100 is my budget on this unforseen(well, kinda) expense. I was offered a new r500 Shimano for $80.00 but it is a 24 spoke wheel. The LBS said "24 spoke will be fine for you, we got bigger guys on this wheel with no problems"

Can I get some ideas for a replacement "sturdy" wheel for $100 or less?-Thanks, James
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Old 11-28-09, 11:54 PM   #3
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Why would he put an mtb wheel on a roadie? Maybe I'm wrong but Ithought the OCR was a road bike. I could be wrong, I was wrong once before!
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I weigh about 250, and I've had problems every time I've tried to use fewer than 36 spokes, even with wheels hand-built (at staggering expense, I have to say) by an excellent mechanic. I'm an experienced rider (40 years as an adult), and I don't catch air or jump curbs--that's just a lot of weight for a Stupid Lite wheel. I have friends in the 200-220 range who've used 28-spoke wheels, but they don't work for me.
Something like a Velocity Deep V in 36 might work for you if you're careful. You could also buy a 36h "built wheel" (usually machine made) from a dealer's or Web site's stock, then pay somebody to hand-true it. Assembly quality is really important.
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I would only be looking at 36 hole rims right now.. CXP33 or Deep V would be a good choice.. If you need to go with a 32 hole rim, I would look at the Velocity Chukker, think of it as the Deep V's beefier brother.. You are limited on the chukker of using 700x25 or 28 as your smallest tire choice, this may not be an issue.. The chukker is available in 32 - 36 and 48 versions.. Make sure to get the machined version, helps with braking..

The fact that the LBS offered you a wheel with 24 spokes say a lot about your LBS, they may not be looking out for you..

Info on chukker: http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=701

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Someone one said that "good" is the enemy of "best".
In this case, it's going to be a choice between "good enough" (barely) and "good" (what's actually going to last for more than a couple weeks).

If you have $100 to spend now, you'll have at least a couple of choices:

1) Fritter it away, $25 at a time, repairing your current wheel
2) Spend it on a cheap (sorry, for us Clydes $100 only buys cheap) wheel that probably will be temporary
3) Eat more beans & rice and mac & cheese (that's a metaphor, not to be taken literally!) and save for a real wheel -- one that can serve you for a long time. It'll might take until spring to fatten the pig (another metaphor = piggy bank), but you'll be glad when it happens.
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Old 11-29-09, 12:25 PM   #7
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The DA22 is a common stock rim, but I wouldn't go as far to call it 'generic'. Alex Rims have a mixed reputation because they're stock rims. People assume they're "cheapos", and it's often because the LBS isn't doing any wheel work on off-the-peg bikes. A 32h DA22 should be able to hold up to 315 pounds for longer than a couple weeks between truings if it's built properly.

The spokes need to be appropriately and evenly tensioned, and destressed when the wheel is first built. If not, then when it starts to go out of true and a shop simply starts turning spoke nipples to bring the wheel back to straight and round, you'll end up with further uneven spoke tension. Loose/slack spokes tend to break, and replacing a single spoke without retensioning the entire wheel usually leads to quick future issues with gentlemen of our stature.
If you can find a wheelsmith you trust (not the LBS telling you a 24h rim is OK for you), for just north of $100 you can probably rebuild around your current hub. $0.80/ea for DT Champion 2.0 spokes ($25.00). Alex DA28 rim (similar profile to Mavic CxP33 or Velocity Deep V) is around $40, and the wheelbuild should cost about the same. Another inexpensive but good rim option is the Alex Adventurer. It's wider than a standard racing rim since it's a tourer, so you'd want to check your max tire clearance on the OCR frame, because you should run at least a 25mm tire on that rim. Along the similar lines would be the Sun CR-18. Priced like the DA-28, profile like the Adventurer.
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I've had wheel problems with every wheel I've had that has had less than 36 spokes and have not been hand built. The two hand-built 36 spoke wheels have *knock on wood* been amazingly reliable through some pretty tough situations with thousands of miles on them (the LHT has, I'm sure, 10,000 on it at this point). I've had the 700c wheel on my LHT trued once, and it's due for another now - both very very minor truing jobs, I'm just anal about wheels.
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Strong, light, cheap. You can only pick two.
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http://www.bikeman.com/WE7095.html

Not sure how wide a tire your frame can take but I don't see any reason a 300lb person needs to be riding on a 25mm tire. If you can fit a 32mm tire on there this 24mm wide Velocity rim you'll be well taken care of.
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Aksium is prety ttough.
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Not sure how wide a tire your frame can take but I don't see any reason a 300lb person needs to be riding on a 25mm tire. If you can fit a 32mm tire on there this 24mm wide Velocity rim you'll be well taken care of.
The problem with this wheel is that the hub is a 135mm spacing and most road bikes will only accept 130mm spaced wheels.. The dyad rim is a solid choice for a rebuild..
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Wow, Great replies and some more Questions I have.

#1. Will the Aksium really hold my weight? I have found several in the $100 range.

#2. My other(I have 3) LBS called me and said they will sell me a 32 Hole Mavic cxp22 on a 105 hub for $115 and it will be hand trued before they put it on the bike. Does this sound like a solid replacement as he suggested?

#3. my #3 wheelshop is offering to build me a cxp33 on a 105 wheel hand built 36 spoke for $170-$200. Sound fair?

I will go with the option you guys like best. I trust the senior members here waaaayyyyy more than my LBS, maybe cause you arent profiting from me breaking new wheels, LOL!!! THANKS AGAIN, you all are real lifesavers(maybe literally)
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I would go with the 36 spoke wheel at our weight.
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#2. My other(I have 3) LBS called me and said they will sell me a 32 Hole Mavic cxp22 on a 105 hub for $115 and it will be hand trued before they put it on the bike. Does this sound like a solid replacement as he suggested?
I just checked and that is a wheel from Bike wheel warehouse $114.95 http://www.bicyclewheelwarehouse.com...d&productId=49.
I just ordered a set of rims from them but I havent got them set up yet, (out of money for cassette rim tape etc.) but The were a good deal.
I went with the 32 spoke Mavic A319 with the double wall rim and the low cost shimano hub. The set front and rear ran me just at $150.00
Good luck.
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I will be watching this thread as well! at 349 (currently) my 32 spoke 26" wheels may have a very short life - I just don't know - everyone but the LBS that sold me the bike have said spokes will start breaking soon.

I have actually emailed 3 different custom wheelsmiths for quotes, and each one has come back stating they do not do that type of builds, only racing - ouch!

So I will wait, watch, and worry...
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OP, you may well find an alternative before I can find anything but I'm keeping an eye just South of you. The bummer is that last week I could have gotten a 36 spoke rear for $20 and had the darling daughter drop it off to you somewhere around OKC as she passed though on her way back to school earlier today.

Of course, that would be too much like luck, so we know why that didn't happen, lol.
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Thanks TX, I hear ya on that. I have always wanted a postal Trek 1000 and 5 minutes after I bought my OCR3 one popped up in my size on Craigslist for $450.00! I was so bummed but my OCR is a fun bike so not all is lost, lol.

junkfoodjunkie is hooking me up tomorrow with a SUN 32spoke to get me by. I will use it till I can get this figured out. THANKS JAKE!!!!!

In the mean time I might let my LBS build me a wheel. I am thinking 36 Spoke CXP33, 105 Hub, with DT spokes. I hope this will be my last rear wheel till I put the Zipps on when I am 185 LBS, I can Dream right!
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Thanks TX, I hear ya on that. I have always wanted a postal Trek 1000 and 5 minutes after I bought my OCR3 one popped up in my size on Craigslist for $450.00! I was so bummed but my OCR is a fun bike so not all is lost, lol.

junkfoodjunkie is hooking me up tomorrow with a SUN 32spoke to get me by. I will use it till I can get this figured out. THANKS JAKE!!!!!

In the mean time I might let my LBS build me a wheel. I am thinking 36 Spoke CXP33, 105 Hub, with DT spokes. I hope this will be my last rear wheel till I put the Zipps on when I am 185 LBS, I can Dream right!
Jake is one of but many in the long network of good folks out there. Glad to hear we have ya fixed up for at least a little while.
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Why would he put an mtb wheel on a roadie? Maybe I'm wrong but Ithought the OCR was a road bike. I could be wrong, I was wrong once before!
The OCR3 is the least expensive Road bike sold by Giant from 2003-2007(I think) All Sora, with those aux brake handles on the top bar!

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Thanks TX, I hear ya on that. I have always wanted a postal Trek 1000 and 5 minutes after I bought my OCR3 one popped up in my size on Craigslist for $450.00! I was so bummed but my OCR is a fun bike so not all is lost, lol.

junkfoodjunkie is hooking me up tomorrow with a SUN 32spoke to get me by. I will use it till I can get this figured out. THANKS JAKE!!!!!

In the mean time I might let my LBS build me a wheel. I am thinking 36 Spoke CXP33, 105 Hub, with DT spokes. I hope this will be my last rear wheel till I put the Zipps on when I am 185 LBS, I can Dream right!
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Excellent choice -- spoke count and rims are what we 'big' folks can appreciate.

It's not in your original budget, but it's a choice that I believe you'll be happy with. Assuming that your LBS builds good wheels.
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Thanks Bret, I hope this will be the end of my wheel worries as $200 was a heck of a stretch! I cant wait to put a million miles on this beast!
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Thanks Bret, I hope this will be the end of my wheel worries as $200 was a heck of a stretch! I cant wait to put a million miles on this beast!
Make sure that the LBS uses straight gauge spokes, no need trying to trim a few grams going with lighter spokes.. 14g spokes would be ideal..
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In the mean time I might let my LBS build me a wheel. I am thinking 36 Spoke CXP33, 105 Hub, with DT spokes. I hope this will be my last rear wheel till I put the Zipps on when I am 185 LBS, I can Dream right!
I concur that this would be decent choice!

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Make sure that the LBS uses straight gauge spokes, no need trying to trim a few grams going with lighter spokes.. 14g spokes would be ideal.
I prefer butted spokes for nearly all my builds. It's not about weight, it's about resiliency! More important is the use of spoke head washers with the aforementioned combo. The spoke holes in 105 hubs (and most other mid-range hubs) are too big! Clydes gotta have washers.
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I have been emailing a tech at an email that AI somehow found on the web. The funny part is that he has been very fast to reply to me with ideas and suggestions! The wheel he suggested I have built he stated was built in 2006 and 2007 - and that I should search for it. Not only is it build for 300+ pound Clydes, but it is also built for catching air - shrug - anyhow, did some searching, and unless I read it wrong, this is for a "set" - as in both the front AND the rear???

http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?ID=50622

What am I missing here? Thoughts please?
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