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Late Spring Tour Advice
I probably should post this in touring but I thought I might get better advice from fellow Clydes
I want to do a mini 'adventure. this spring. I was planning to ride from Annapolis to Wilmington, NC, but logistics and how do I get the bike back caused problems.
I was on the Adventure Cyclist site and found a route called Potomac Heritage, I started looking at it, then revised it.
Basically here's what I've come up with;
I'll start in Alexandria, probably the Mt Vernon trail and drive to Reedsville, VA,about 140 miles), This winds through Fredericksburg, Richmond, then down through the Northern Neck of VA. From Reedville I'll take a morning ferry to Smith Island, then an evening Ferry to Crisfield MD crossing the Chesapeake Bay (a rest day), Smith and Tangier Island are fascinating places, I've taken my boat there before;
then from Crisfield ride up and across Delmarva back to Annapolis.
I almost finished building a Fuji Cross Pro as a commuter/tourer.
I plan to stay at motels at night.
I guess I have a lot of questions.
I figure each leg (DC to Reedsville; Crisfield to Annapolis) should take 2 day, so that's 65-70 per day. Is that reasonable planning, I've done several metrics, but not back to back.
I'll need some kind of panniers, but not carrying to much.
I think I can do the whole thing in 5 days, but will plan six due to; whatever!
I plan to do this solo as I'm winding down my 50's and need a challenge
The Adventure Cycling map will cover the first two days, and all services, the Crisfield to Annapolis is my divergence. I went on mapmyride and made a route staying off the highways, but I have no idea what kind of roads these are. Is there a better way?
Am I overthinking this or will a cell phone and credit card solve any problems I might run into.
So I'll need to find panniers, bring repair kit and spares, 2 sets cycling clothes and one set regular clothes, some kind of on road food to carry **********
Also should get a couple of 150 mil weeks in before.
I'm thinking that if I start early, and do a little sight seeing, sixty five miles a day should be no problem taking my time.
Any other suggestions?
Steve
I want to do a mini 'adventure. this spring. I was planning to ride from Annapolis to Wilmington, NC, but logistics and how do I get the bike back caused problems.
I was on the Adventure Cyclist site and found a route called Potomac Heritage, I started looking at it, then revised it.
Basically here's what I've come up with;
I'll start in Alexandria, probably the Mt Vernon trail and drive to Reedsville, VA,about 140 miles), This winds through Fredericksburg, Richmond, then down through the Northern Neck of VA. From Reedville I'll take a morning ferry to Smith Island, then an evening Ferry to Crisfield MD crossing the Chesapeake Bay (a rest day), Smith and Tangier Island are fascinating places, I've taken my boat there before;
then from Crisfield ride up and across Delmarva back to Annapolis.
I almost finished building a Fuji Cross Pro as a commuter/tourer.
I plan to stay at motels at night.
I guess I have a lot of questions.
I figure each leg (DC to Reedsville; Crisfield to Annapolis) should take 2 day, so that's 65-70 per day. Is that reasonable planning, I've done several metrics, but not back to back.
I'll need some kind of panniers, but not carrying to much.
I think I can do the whole thing in 5 days, but will plan six due to; whatever!
I plan to do this solo as I'm winding down my 50's and need a challenge
The Adventure Cycling map will cover the first two days, and all services, the Crisfield to Annapolis is my divergence. I went on mapmyride and made a route staying off the highways, but I have no idea what kind of roads these are. Is there a better way?
Am I overthinking this or will a cell phone and credit card solve any problems I might run into.
So I'll need to find panniers, bring repair kit and spares, 2 sets cycling clothes and one set regular clothes, some kind of on road food to carry **********
Also should get a couple of 150 mil weeks in before.
I'm thinking that if I start early, and do a little sight seeing, sixty five miles a day should be no problem taking my time.
Any other suggestions?
Steve
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Get the Maryland state bike map and start plotting.
It looks like you'd ride part of my June route backward. I got off Rt. 50, the Ocean Gateway, at Mardala Springs. You would get on it and ride through Vienna, Cambridge, Trappe, and Easton to Kent Island. The route is wide-shouldered everywhere but in Cambridge and crossing the Choptank - that was the scariest stretch on my tour, since there was no shoulder.
It looks like you'd ride part of my June route backward. I got off Rt. 50, the Ocean Gateway, at Mardala Springs. You would get on it and ride through Vienna, Cambridge, Trappe, and Easton to Kent Island. The route is wide-shouldered everywhere but in Cambridge and crossing the Choptank - that was the scariest stretch on my tour, since there was no shoulder.
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I've never toured (but plan on doing something this summer) so take my advice as you will. You might want to start off with a small or shorter tour with the distances you described, but make it a weekend type ride. Basically find someplace 60 or so miles away and ride there, spend the night, and the next day ride back. Bring of course your repair kit, change of clothes, credit card and cellphone, lock, or whatever else you think you'll need. Also let some one know your route. Take the next day off and see how you feel.
Basically from my reading and such don't be overly ambitious. Start off small so you have a better idea what it would be like. Learn how to do the basic maintenance stuff before hand because on the road is not the time to learn. You may also want to drive the route so you have a better idea of what to expect. It sounds like you are asking good questions, but sometimes the best teacher is experience. You may also see what the Touring Forum has to offer as advice to newbies. Most posters seem very helpful, just that sometimes they take time to respond (probably out on a tour).
As far as panniers go I have the Axiom Kootenays. Probably a little big for what you are bringing, but they have straps so they are not to bulky. People seem to use everything from milk crates, to Nashbar brand, to Arkel. If you are not sure if you would like it i'd probably get something cheap. Just make sure it's large enough to fit what you need or just a bit bigger.
Basically from my reading and such don't be overly ambitious. Start off small so you have a better idea what it would be like. Learn how to do the basic maintenance stuff before hand because on the road is not the time to learn. You may also want to drive the route so you have a better idea of what to expect. It sounds like you are asking good questions, but sometimes the best teacher is experience. You may also see what the Touring Forum has to offer as advice to newbies. Most posters seem very helpful, just that sometimes they take time to respond (probably out on a tour).
As far as panniers go I have the Axiom Kootenays. Probably a little big for what you are bringing, but they have straps so they are not to bulky. People seem to use everything from milk crates, to Nashbar brand, to Arkel. If you are not sure if you would like it i'd probably get something cheap. Just make sure it's large enough to fit what you need or just a bit bigger.
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Get the Maryland state bike map and start plotting.
It looks like you'd ride part of my June route backward. I got off Rt. 50, the Ocean Gateway, at Mardala Springs. You would get on it and ride through Vienna, Cambridge, Trappe, and Easton to Kent Island. The route is wide-shouldered everywhere but in Cambridge and crossing the Choptank - that was the scariest stretch on my tour, since there was no shoulder.
It looks like you'd ride part of my June route backward. I got off Rt. 50, the Ocean Gateway, at Mardala Springs. You would get on it and ride through Vienna, Cambridge, Trappe, and Easton to Kent Island. The route is wide-shouldered everywhere but in Cambridge and crossing the Choptank - that was the scariest stretch on my tour, since there was no shoulder.
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Good advice exile, I'm pretty good with repairs (except spokes), really wouldn't have time to do a practice tour befpre. So you're right, how difficult is it to ride 330 miles in 5 days? At a relatively leisurely pace
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Rt. 50 was OK. There were some parallel roads, and I used them when I could, but aside from Cambridge and crossing the Choptank, Rt. 50 was fine. Keep in mind that when riding in the country, you often don't have much of a choice of roads. The Eastern Shore isn't so densely populated there are multiple thorofares in the same direction.
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I believe about 12 to 15 mph is considered a liesurely pace though of course it will depend on weather and how much you are carrying. So approximately 5hrs if you try and ride without stopping and probably add another hour or two for whatever brakes you need to take. I think it sounds doable. Do you have a bike computer prxmid so you know your average speed? If not it may be a worthwile investment.
Food wise do you plan on stopping and eating or will you try and carry what you will need? I know most seem to like gronola or power bars and maybe some fruit. Above that it really depends on what you are willing to carry or buy. Of course there is also dumptser diving some people do.
Map wise I can't help. Sounds like The Historian will be a huge help on that. I still think driving the route before hand is a good idea while stopping here and there just to see whats around. Are you bringing a GPS device of some sort?
Sounds like a fun trip. Maybe check out your local book store or library. I can't remember the name but I remember at least two books I saw at mine about bike touring. Anyways, good luck and enjoy the ride.
Food wise do you plan on stopping and eating or will you try and carry what you will need? I know most seem to like gronola or power bars and maybe some fruit. Above that it really depends on what you are willing to carry or buy. Of course there is also dumptser diving some people do.
Map wise I can't help. Sounds like The Historian will be a huge help on that. I still think driving the route before hand is a good idea while stopping here and there just to see whats around. Are you bringing a GPS device of some sort?
Sounds like a fun trip. Maybe check out your local book store or library. I can't remember the name but I remember at least two books I saw at mine about bike touring. Anyways, good luck and enjoy the ride.
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I usually average around 14.5 on my road bike, I assume it will be less on my loaded cross bike with bigger tires. Although the flatter eastern shore may be equivalent Plan on stopping to eat but carrying bars, goo etc.
The planning is fun though
The planning is fun though
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BTW, I assume you have a plan to get across the bridge between Annapolis and Kent Island. :-)
Spend a few minutes in Trappe, MD. It's a lovely town. See Home Run Baker's home. And the Wye Oak further up the road. If you follow the route on the bike map you'll pass the Oak, since the bike map routes you off Rt 50 in a few spots.
Oh, and skip the diner just before the bridge over the Choptank. It adds new meaning to the term "greasy spoon."
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Frankly, I wish I were riding this tour. It sounds fun, and I loved the Eastern Shore.
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As far as training went, I made sure to ride my loaded bike exclusively for 4-6 weeks before I left on the trip. I was riding 100-150 miles/week. Lots of fast 15-16 mile rides at lunch during the work week then longer, slower rides on the weekends. I made sure that I was comfortable doing back-to-back 60-miles days with 3000-4000 ft. of climbing on the weekends. If I put my head down, I was able to average 15mph and complete those rides in 4-5 hours, so I figured that with 8-10 hours of daylight I wouldn't have any problems.
I'll need some kind of panniers, but not carrying to much.
Am I overthinking this or will a cell phone and credit card solve any problems I might run into.
So I'll need to find panniers, bring repair kit and spares, 2 sets cycling clothes and one set regular clothes, some kind of on road food to carry **********
Any other suggestions?
I was planning to "travel light", but still ended up with 22.5lbs of luggage, ~5.5lbs of water (2x24oz bottles, 1x20oz), and a 23lb bike. That 51lb package was 3X heavier than the bike I normally ride! Turned out the gearing that I had initially planned to use (52/39/30 crank w/12-27 cassette) wasn't quite low enough. Glad I found this out before leaving, so I could switch to a 48/36/26 crank.
I would also suggest doing any needed maintenance before you leave. Check: tires, tubes, chain, brake pads, cables, etc. before you leave. The cheap chain I put on my touring bike only had 750 miles on it when I left. I figured it was so new I didn't need to worry about it. Wrong! The chain snapped at the end of the first day!!! An easy roadside repair, but I had shifting problems the rest of the trip because it had also stretched too much. Next time, I'll check everything a couple of days before I leave...
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Search www.bikely.com for routes that are actually used by cyclists.
Another place to check is https://www.bimactive.com - there's a route search engine on the home page.
The MDSHA map is free.
Another place to check is https://www.bimactive.com - there's a route search engine on the home page.
The MDSHA map is free.
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I live off the first exit of the bridge on the Annapolis side, so I'll have my wife come over and pick me up at the end. You're welcome to join me, all or part
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Skip the panniers. I bought a Carradice Nelson Longflap saddlebag from Peter White Cycles and a Lone Peak H-100 handlebag bag for my 8-day tour down the Pacific Coast. Carradice is pricey, but works very well. The Nelson Longflap doesn't seem that big, but it held everything I needed. I bought the Bagman support because my saddle didn't have the loops necessary to support the bag. If you want a Carradice or Bagman, you can probably save money by ordering through one of the UK bike shops.
Sstorkel...thanks for the great advice. I was looking at those bags, seems like they aren't big enough to support your 8 day trip but I guess they were. Was the Caradice bag stable off your seatback or did it flop around?
Sstorkel...thanks for the great advice. I was looking at those bags, seems like they aren't big enough to support your 8 day trip but I guess they were. Was the Caradice bag stable off your seatback or did it flop around?
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Was the Caradice bag stable off your seatback or did it flop around?
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prxmid, do you know about the Severna Park Peloton club that rides in that area most of the time? If you could hook up with those guys, they could help you with your route. They do some eastern shore riding as well as around Severna Park, Crofton, Davidsonville, in to Baltimore, down to North and Chesapeake Beach.
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prxmid, do you know about the Severna Park Peloton club that rides in that area most of the time? If you could hook up with those guys, they could help you with your route. They do some eastern shore riding as well as around Severna Park, Crofton, Davidsonville, in to Baltimore, down to North and Chesapeake Beach.
Thanks for the help
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Sstorkel, I'm sold on the Caradice. Looks perfect. What's the verdict on carrying a spare tire? I'm getting more and more excited about this tour
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I carried one with me, but didn't use it. My bike had 700x35 tires, but my rims could accept tires as small as 700x25 so I packed a lightly-used 700x25 that had been on my road bike. Figured it would be enough to allow me to limp 30-40 miles to a bike shop if necessary. After seeing first-hand what happens when the bead detaches, I couldn't convince myself to leave the spare tire behind...
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Touring gets easier the lighter the rider, so if you have some winter weight gain, work to get rid of it. Oh wait..... that's not what you meant, is it?
I've never carried a spare tire. Then again, I ride with hardcase tires that easily last 2K miles, so that's not a problem.
I've never carried a spare tire. Then again, I ride with hardcase tires that easily last 2K miles, so that's not a problem.
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BTW, here's an account of my June 2009 tour.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...a-Winding-Road
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Great pictures, I remember reading that thread post ride. Those pictures of Annapolis harbor could have been taken from my office.
The only thing you missed was the St Michaels, Oxford Easton loop. Three picturesque villages, and the Oxford-Belleview Ferry over the Tred Avon is the oldest continuously run ferry in the country.
Sounds like you had a great tour, much more ambitious than my little 5-6 day excursion
The only thing you missed was the St Michaels, Oxford Easton loop. Three picturesque villages, and the Oxford-Belleview Ferry over the Tred Avon is the oldest continuously run ferry in the country.
Sounds like you had a great tour, much more ambitious than my little 5-6 day excursion
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Great pictures, I remember reading that thread post ride. Those pictures of Annapolis harbor could have been taken from my office.
The only thing you missed was the St Michaels, Oxford Easton loop. Three picturesque villages, and the Oxford-Belleview Ferry over the Tred Avon is the oldest continuously run ferry in the country.
Sounds like you had a great tour, much more ambitious than my little 5-6 day excursion
The only thing you missed was the St Michaels, Oxford Easton loop. Three picturesque villages, and the Oxford-Belleview Ferry over the Tred Avon is the oldest continuously run ferry in the country.
Sounds like you had a great tour, much more ambitious than my little 5-6 day excursion
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