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cohophysh 01-29-10 10:49 AM

Saddles
 
So I find myself looking for another saddle. I currently have a Specialized Alias 143. I have given it plenty of time but it is still not very comfortable. My perinium starts to feel alot of pressure after about 20 minutes of riding and my butt starts to go numb (I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere).
I am still right around 300 lbs.
So with that said, any suggestions? And yes I wear decent shorts/bibs.

Also, what saddles do you use?

Richard_Rides 01-29-10 10:59 AM

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rumrunn6 01-29-10 11:06 AM

just had a nice conversation at a LBS about a few things including saddles. I recently bought a used MTB and the previous owner had installed a saddle that I find very comfortable. the LBS had the saddle and I asked about it. apparently it is not exclusively for MTBs and I can try it on one of my road bikes

anyway - I think it's a comfortable saddle even after 3 hrs of riding. BTW: I weight 221, well last Thursday I weighed 221 ... :-) this is the saddle - you might like it and it's not very expensive:

Specialized BG Comfort Saddle (BG stands for body geometry)

http://mikesbikes.com/product/specia...le-50594-1.htm

http://www.bikemagic.com/reviews/con...addle/658.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianwjones/1077624642/

sstorkel 01-29-10 11:08 AM

I've tried a number of Specialized saddles and none of them work for me. I'm currently using a Selle SMP Lite 209 saddle. Cost a fortune, but it's the best saddle I've ever owned; good for 8-9 hours of riding before I start to notice it. I tried the cheap ($90) Selle SMP that Performance Bike sells, to make sure the "technology" worked, before I invested in the Lite 209.

If I had to go with a cheaper saddle, I'd probably be looking at something from WTB. I've used them on mountain bikes, and in a pinch on road bikes, and they seem to work well for me. I've used both the Rocket V and the Speed V. Haven't done any super-long rides, but both the Rocket V and Speed V are good enough for 1-2 hour rides. The only caveat: the bikes where I've used WTB saddles have had very upright riding positions; on a road/race bike I have no idea how they'd work.

cohophysh 01-29-10 11:24 AM

So SS,
What is the big difference between the SMP and SMP lite other than cost? I can justify the cost of the SMP but not the lite.

CliftonGK1 01-29-10 11:48 AM

I'm partial to my Brooks B-17 Imperial. I have a B-17 on my singlespeed, a (not so gracefully) home-butchered B-17-turned-Imperial on my utility cruiser, and a true Imperial on my brevet bike.
The lacing on the side skirts of the Imperial keeps the center top section from sagging, and the cutout helps prevent pressure on the perenium, which (for me) eliminates any pain or numbness issues even when I'm on my bike for 20+ hours.

The WTB Rocket series, Selle An-Atomica (similar to B-17 Imperial) and Selle SMP saddles are also continual favourites among the club I ride with.

cohophysh 01-29-10 12:53 PM

Think I will see if the LBS has any Selle in stock....BTW, what is the best way to measure sit bones???

rumrunn6 01-29-10 01:43 PM

the shop uses a foam pad that shows where the 2 indentations are. mine measured 143

Mr. Beanz 01-29-10 03:50 PM

I have a WTBRocket V. Pretty comfy saddle. I like the dip in the middle, helps keep me in place. Had a cut out in the "under" shell for comfort, but not seen from the top. I've used it on several centuries andhad no problems. Matter of fact, the ti rails and weigth savings actually increased my climbing speed by 13% (okay, not really!:p)


WTB Rocket V
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2690/...d4997d52_o.jpg

Rocket V underside. Cut out in the under shell for added comfort:D
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/...e8dd40ae_o.jpg

Super Fly!:D..Terry Fly....My (read it, MY, my, Mine, Mines, muyyyyyy) most comfy saddle so far!...I actually liked the Rocket V but after riding the Fly, I took a liking to the width of theFly saddle over the Rocket V.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/...4770d5eb_o.jpg

I do know some riders who have ditched the Brooks for a Fly. Herbm from the Socal forum is one of them. PM him if you dont believe me!;) But everybody is different. Also had a Selle Italia gel Flite that I hated even after 1000 miles. I gave it to Homey as he's a Flite guy. Not sure if he ever used it or sold it at a garage sale to help pay for his Mavic Op's!:D

Herbm, happy on his Terry FLy and custom Ti Habanero!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/...16059164_o.jpg

irclean 01-29-10 04:25 PM

I use the Terry Liberator Y (non-gel version).

http://media.rei.com/media/774816.jpg

It took a few rides to get used to it - I'm a 300 pounder myself and I was under the false impression that I needed a saddle that could handle my "wide load". I was using a websprung saddle that came stock with my Schwinn, but I replaced it after talking to some posters here and getting some saddle advice myself. Someone suggested the above saddle and I got it for $55 CAD from MEC. It turns out my butt didn't need a wider saddle since my sit bones remain the same despite my weight. As another poster remarked; there was a skinny rider inside me just waiting to get out. Anyway, the saddle is comfortable, it has a cutout for my perineum, is covered with genuine leather, and I no longer suffer from the chafing on my inner thighs. Best of all, my pedaling is now more efficient as I can apply more power to each stroke.

sstorkel 01-29-10 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cohophysh (Post 10334724)
So SS,
What is the big difference between the SMP and SMP lite other than cost? I can justify the cost of the SMP but not the lite.

There are three big differences between the Selle SMP Extra, sold by Performance Bike for $90-110 (depending on sale), and the Selle SMP Lite 209 that I currently use:

1) Weight - the Extra is one of the heaviest saddles that Selle SMP makes at around 400g. The Lite 209 is still a bit heavy (around 300g?) but much lighter than the Extra.

2) Amount of padding - the Extra has a lot more padding than the Lite 209. On long (3+ hour) rides, I find that the padding starts to put pressure on your soft tissue toward the end of the ride.

3) Width - specs say the Extra is 1mm wider than the Lite 209 (140mm vs. 139mm), though it feels quite a bit wider when sitting on it. That might be the difference in padding versus anything else. In any event, after 5-6 hours on the Extra I start to worry about chafing. Never had any real problems with it, but I did start to think about it...

FYI, you can find more info about Selle SMP saddles on their website. I wasn't concerned about weight, but width and padding made a difference for me in terms of comfort. The Extra wasn't bad, but the Lite 209 is noticeably better.

Mr. Beanz 01-29-10 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by irclean (Post 10336074)
I use the Terry Liberator Y (non-gel version).

http://media.rei.com/media/774816.jpg

It took a few rides to get used to it - I'm a 300 pounder myself and I was under the false impression that I needed a saddle that could handle my "wide load". I was using a websprung saddle that came stock with my Schwinn, but I replaced it after talking to some posters here and getting some saddle advice myself. Someone suggested the above saddle and I got it for $55 CAD from MEC. It turns out my butt didn't need a wider saddle since my sit bones remain the same despite my weight. As another poster remarked; there was a skinny rider inside me just waiting to get out. Anyway, the saddle is comfortable, it has a cutout for my perineum, is covered with genuine leather, and I no longer suffer from the chafing on my inner thighs. Best of all, my pedaling is now more efficient as I can apply more power to each stroke.


Oops! Forgot but we have Liberator saddles on our tandem. Hmm, we only paid $45 at the Performance shop.:D...Nice and comfy but I'd still give the edge to the Fly:thumb:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/...06558320_o.jpg

irclean 01-29-10 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz (Post 10336122)
Oops! Forgot but we have Liberator saddles on our tandem. Hmm, we only paid $45 at the Performance shop.:D...Nice and comfy but I'd still give the edge to the Fly:thumb:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/...06558320_o.jpg

After my positive experience with the Liberator I plan to eventually upgrade to the Fly when I hit my first weightloss milestone. I decided to start with the Liberator 'cause I figured it would be less of a shock to my butt (and my wallet!) BTW it seems prices for bikes and parts are always marked up here in Canada. :mad: I guess it's because we have a smaller market. Oh, and I love your tandem!

Greg_R 01-29-10 04:54 PM

Are you sure that your current saddle is adjusted properly? Are you sure that the seat height, front/back spacing, and tilt are correct? Also keep in mind that a saddle is not meant to support your full body weight. Your leg muscles and core do most of the supporting as you continuously pedal. If you are doing a lot of sitting & coasting then there is no magic saddle (short of a recumbent chair) that will make you comfortable on longer rides. Once you've eliminated these issues then I'd look at other saddles. I have a B-17 on my bike and have no complaints. IIRC, Specialized has a butt-meter that will suggest a good seat given the spacing between your sit bones (body size does not equal seat size).

Mr. Beanz 01-29-10 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irclean (Post 10336183)
After my positive experience with the Liberator I plan to eventually upgrade to the Fly when I hit my first weightloss milestone. I decided to start with the Liberator 'cause I figured it would be less of a shock to my butt (and my wallet!) BTW it seems prices for bikes and parts are always marked up here in Canada. :mad: I guess it's because we have a smaller market. Oh, and I love your tandem!

I paid $59 for a Fly about 4 years ago and $69 for this one couple years back. I noticed some of the Fly saddles for $120!:eek:... I wait for big sales.;)

I've even seen goo ddeals at Sport Chalet type stores. I saw the pink Terry Butterfly (reg $100'ish) at a Sport Chalet store for $29 on a clearance rack. Heck, If I weren't so macho......:D

Thanks, the tandem is a 98 Burley Duet. Some folks at the shop asked if I ride it or take a bath with it!:D Sheesh, as much as tandems cost, have to take care of them. Paid a bit over $2 for this one back in 98. I looked around wondering if a new tandem would be in the budget, NOPE! :eek:

cohophysh 01-29-10 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg_R (Post 10336205)
Are you sure that your current saddle is adjusted properly? Are you sure that the seat height, front/back spacing, and tilt are correct? Also keep in mind that a saddle is not meant to support your full body weight. Your leg muscles and core do most of the supporting as you continuously pedal. If you are doing a lot of sitting & coasting then there is no magic saddle (short of a recumbent chair) that will make you comfortable on longer rides. Once you've eliminated these issues then I'd look at other saddles. I have a B-17 on my bike and have no complaints. IIRC, Specialized has a butt-meter that will suggest a good seat given the spacing between your sit bones (body size does not equal seat size).



ya, I have adjusted it every way possible with the same result. I think the Alias may be just a tad to narrow and I end up not on the sit bones.

bretgross 01-29-10 09:30 PM

I haven't tried every saddle, but of the many that I have tried: the Brooks B17 is the most comfortable, durable saddle my a$$ has ever fallen in love with.

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Originally Posted by Richard_Rides (Post 10334604)


IAmCosmo 01-30-10 11:04 AM

I ride a Specialized Toupe and I love it. For me, the less padding the saddle has the more comfortable it is. A guy I ride with has a solid carbon saddle (no padding at all) and I absolutely love that thing.

Of course, I have plenty of natural padding, so that may have something to do with it...

Herbie53 01-30-10 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmCosmo (Post 10338740)
I ride a Specialized Toupe and I love it. For me, the less padding the saddle has the more comfortable it is. A guy I ride with has a solid carbon saddle (no padding at all) and I absolutely love that thing.

Of course, I have plenty of natural padding, so that may have something to do with it...

+1 on the less padding theory. Have Toupe 143 and a Forte Pro SLX... both are pretty much a thin cover on a shell and my butt seems pleased.

mikescooling 01-30-10 03:03 PM

Brooks B17!!:), I had to point the tip up, then everything was sooo perfect. That dip in the middle is what it's all about. I am a 300ish lbs.


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