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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 01-31-10, 09:18 PM   #1
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Bike tires for a Clyde

I need help finding tires that will hold up for several thousand miles under my weight. I weigh 235 lbs and have killed many a tire. If any one has any ideas...I spin 700x32 thanks.
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Get a high quality high TPI touring tire, and you should be fine.

Some variation of the Schwalbe Marathon may be your best bet - http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires

It's probably your riding style / road condition that's killing tires more than your weight though, as you're not all that heavy compared to a lot of us on this board. Make sure your tires are properly inflated, you're avoiding potholes, and unweight your seat when you hit bumps,etc., etc., etc.
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If you like the 32 width, than i also recommend the marathon. I have had very good luck with the Continental Gatorskin in a 700x28.
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It's probably your riding style / road condition that's killing tires more than your weight though, as you're not all that heavy compared to a lot of us on this board. Make sure your tires are properly inflated, you're avoiding potholes, and unweight your seat when you hit bumps,etc., etc., etc.
That.

I weigh in well north of you and had a couple tires I just took off my bike after almost 3000 miles. The rear started in only OK shape (it was already used when I got it from the co-op) and even it only just got serious enough issues w/ the sidewalls that I had to change it out (that and it was too fat for my new fenders). Anyway, point being, even no name tires should hold up to your weight for thousands of miles given normal riding conditions, so maybe it's in your style or the road conditions, as bigvegan suggested.

Also, and I do not mean to insult your intelligence, but when you say "kill a tire" do you mean the tire itself gets ruined badly enough to require a change, or just the tube inside? Two different beasts, of course, and a puncture usually doesn't mean you need to replace the tire, just the tube...
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Get a high quality high TPI touring tire, and you should be fine.

Some variation of the Schwalbe Marathon may be your best bet - http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires

It's probably your riding style / road condition that's killing tires more than your weight though, as you're not all that heavy compared to a lot of us on this board. Make sure your tires are properly inflated, you're avoiding potholes, and unweight your seat when you hit bumps,etc., etc., etc.
At 240ish myself I tend to agree...but I am a Continental guy. I have gotten many thousands of miles on Top Tourings, Gatorskins, GP4000s, Contacts and Top Contacts (a worthy successor to the Top Touring and at least on par with the Marathon Supreme).
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I've been riding Conti Gatorskin 700 x 28mm for a couple years and they've been pretty good to me up until recently.
They're a moderately plush ride at 112psi underneath my 235-ish pounds, with anywhere from 5 - 15 pounds of extra junk piled on the bike depending on the distance I'm doing. The flat resistance is excellent in the summertime and dry weather, but I've been having some issues with small slivers of glass making their way into the tread just far enough to cause those aggrivating slow leaks from a teeny tiny nick in the tube. Then you have to find the hole in the tube to match it up with the tire so you can pick out the miniscule scrap of whatever. Ugh.
I've had this happen once on every long rain ride I've been on since November, and now I feel I've worn the tires down enough to replace them. (Gotta get my money's worth out of the tread before retiring them as 'trainer tires')

I was discussing things with the guys in my randonneuring club yesterday after getting a slow leaker flat, and I've decided to move up to a wider more flat resistant tire, regardless of the weight penalty. Quite a few guys in the club are rolling on tires 30mm at the minimum, and up to 42mm; and these are not your typical "sunday cruise, fat-tire crowd". We're talking about guys doing 400 - 1200k rides on tires that size.
What I'm learning is that in the long run... the really long run, the weight "penalty" for a pair of tires like a 42mm Grand Bois Hetre (650b only) at 415g, or a Schwalbe Marathon 700 x 32mm at 580g is worth the ride comfort and puncture resistance as a trade off. The speed difference when moving up to a wider tire is negligible if the tread pattern is minimal.
Since I'm not racing, I'm not concerned with things like how fast I can get up to speed off the line, or acceleration from cruise to sprint speeds. A heavy rotating mass will have a low impact on my slower style of riding (commuting and randonneuring.) Flat resistance will have a greater impact, as I will not lose 10 (or more, depending on sleep deprivation and fumbling) minutes changing a flat. My current conundrum is whether to go with a 32mm or a 35mm width, and the regular Marathon, or the Marathon Plus.
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I've been riding Conti Gatorskin 700 x 28mm for a couple years and they've been pretty good to me up until recently.
They're a moderately plush ride at 112psi underneath my 235-ish pounds, with anywhere from 5 - 15 pounds of extra junk piled on the bike depending on the distance I'm doing. The flat resistance is excellent in the summertime and dry weather, but I've been having some issues with small slivers of glass making their way into the tread just far enough to cause those aggrivating slow leaks from a teeny tiny nick in the tube. Then you have to find the hole in the tube to match it up with the tire so you can pick out the miniscule scrap of whatever. Ugh.
I've had this happen once on every long rain ride I've been on since November, and now I feel I've worn the tires down enough to replace them. (Gotta get my money's worth out of the tread before retiring them as 'trainer tires')

I was discussing things with the guys in my randonneuring club yesterday after getting a slow leaker flat, and I've decided to move up to a wider more flat resistant tire, regardless of the weight penalty. Quite a few guys in the club are rolling on tires 30mm at the minimum, and up to 42mm; and these are not your typical "sunday cruise, fat-tire crowd". We're talking about guys doing 400 - 1200k rides on tires that size.
What I'm learning is that in the long run... the really long run, the weight "penalty" for a pair of tires like a 42mm Grand Bois Hetre (650b only) at 415g, or a Schwalbe Marathon 700 x 32mm at 580g is worth the ride comfort and puncture resistance as a trade off. The speed difference when moving up to a wider tire is negligible if the tread pattern is minimal.
Since I'm not racing, I'm not concerned with things like how fast I can get up to speed off the line, or acceleration from cruise to sprint speeds. A heavy rotating mass will have a low impact on my slower style of riding (commuting and randonneuring.) Flat resistance will have a greater impact, as I will not lose 10 (or more, depending on sleep deprivation and fumbling) minutes changing a flat. My current conundrum is whether to go with a 32mm or a 35mm width, and the regular Marathon, or the Marathon Plus.
The Marathon Plus is like 900+ grams - I don't think the extra flat resistance is worth the doubling the rotational weight, especially when the road starts angling upward. IMO 32mm Marathon Supremes or Conti Top Contacts are better choices with acceptable levels of flat resistance, rotational weight and rolling resistance.
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The Marathon Plus is like 900+ grams - I don't think the extra flat resistance is worth the doubling the rotational weight, especially when the road starts angling upward. IMO 32mm Marathon Supremes or Conti Top Contacts are better choices with acceptable levels of flat resistance, rotational weight and rolling resistance.
Sort of the direction I've been leaning, but there's that angry guy on my shoulder going "Buy the Pluses already, dangit!" every time I get a flat. It would be an overkill purchase out of spite, and I'm certain I would regret them on a ride like the Alplet (6200' in 100k) or Summits of Bothell (3500' in 40mi).
I'd love to get a nice, cushy handmade tire like a Challenge Parigi-Roubaix or a Grand Bois Cypres, but one of the guys riding on them yesterday described them as "fragile", which is the last thing I need in a tire selection.
I think the 32mm or 35mm Marathons are going to be the next set of tires I go with.

The only course which concerns me in the future, and I will likely buy a pair of inexpensive 40 to 42mm tires for will be the 3 Volcanoes 300k. I've heard horror stories about the 15 miles of gravel/dirt roads leading to a very high attrition rate on this ride. Apparently if the parks department re-gravels the road around the time of the ride, it's very loose. "Loamy" was the description used by a couple people. I asked about tires, and the suggestion was "Whatever the biggest is you can fit. Take your fenders off and clear the fattest tire you can."
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What is your definition of "several thousand miles"?
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What is your definition of "several thousand miles"?
For me, I like a tire to last at least 3000 miles. I don't usually get more than 4000 from any reasonably fast, moderately light tire.
I steer away from some of the BQ and Rivendell offerrings like the Grand Bois Cerf or the Panaracer Roly-Poly because I've seen skinny guys wear through them in 1500 miles. I'd probably ruin one of those in 6 weeks.
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For me, I like a tire to last at least 3000 miles. I don't usually get more than 4000 from any reasonably fast, moderately light tire.
I steer away from some of the BQ and Rivendell offerrings like the Grand Bois Cerf or the Panaracer Roly-Poly because I've seen skinny guys wear through them in 1500 miles. I'd probably ruin one of those in 6 weeks.
As long as you aren't being too unreasonable. I'm lucky yo get 1000 miles out of a tire due to the crappy roads I ride on and bad luck.
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Thanks for the imput. I was hoping that I could get more than 3000 miles out of my tires as that is what I got out of my Specialized armadillos. I guess I'm stressing because i am wearing down the treads on my cyclocross tires that came stock on the bike at an alarming rate. I think what i really wanted was a magic pair of tires that would last for ever. I am so green. so, I had been looking at the Marathons plus, but i think that i'll save the weight and go for the marathons. I really appreciated it.
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I'm ordering a pair of 32mm Pasela TG folding bead tires with the hopes I'll get similar wear to my 28mm Gatorskins (~3000mi) with better wet weather puncture resistance (the current bane of my existence).
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3000 miles out of a set of tires is nothing to sneeze at.
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My Soma's are 3 years old, and have 6200 miles on them so far. Just sayin'.

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Thanks for the imput. I was hoping that I could get more than 3000 miles out of my tires as that is what I got out of my Specialized armadillos. I guess I'm stressing because i am wearing down the treads on my cyclocross tires that came stock on the bike at an alarming rate. I think what i really wanted was a magic pair of tires that would last for ever. I am so green. so, I had been looking at the Marathons plus, but i think that i'll save the weight and go for the marathons. I really appreciated it.
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Thanks for the imput. I was hoping that I could get more than 3000 miles out of my tires as that is what I got out of my Specialized armadillos. I guess I'm stressing because i am wearing down the treads on my cyclocross tires that came stock on the bike at an alarming rate. I think what i really wanted was a magic pair of tires that would last for ever. I am so green. so, I had been looking at the Marathons plus, but i think that i'll save the weight and go for the marathons. I really appreciated it.
Many 'cross tires will wear faster if you only ride pavement with them because they're a softer compound meant for grip on grass, dirt and mud.
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3000 miles out of a set of tires is nothing to sneeze at.
I was worried about a "yes but" head wanting something impossible.
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3000 miles out of a set of tires is nothing to sneeze at.
The only tires I got significantly higher than 3000 miles from were my Marathon Plus 26 x 1.75s on my old commuter. I had almost 5000 miles on them when I gave the bike to a friend, and he's put another 1500 on there without any issues.

Of course, they weighed in at over 4 pounds a pair...
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Vittoria Rando's are a great midpoint between Marathon and Marathon Pluses, higher quality casing, and weigh a whole lot less then the plus. Folding version is pretty darn light. I ran them at 80 PSI when I was 235-230, use about 75 psi now. Fairly smooth ride, much smoother than my old Marathons, feel a little faster too. Marathon Pluses are beasts though, if you want flat protection above all else, they're where it's at save airless tires (but those are crap, and would only be suitable in extreme cases.)

Oh, durable as hell and grip very well in the wet for as durable as they are.

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I used the Vittoria Rando-Cross on my fixed gear for a while and I didn't like them for one reason: They were a very difficult fit on the rim. They were so tight to get on that it was difficult not to ruin a tube just trying to get the last part of the bead on the rim.
Maybe the plain old folding Rando is better about that. The tire rolled great once it was on, though. I will give it that.
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I used the Vittoria Rando-Cross on my fixed gear for a while and I didn't like them for one reason: They were a very difficult fit on the rim. They were so tight to get on that it was difficult not to ruin a tube just trying to get the last part of the bead on the rim.
Maybe the plain old folding Rando is better about that. The tire rolled great once it was on, though. I will give it that.

Was a little tough here also, not nearly as bad as my marathons where though. I'm using Velocity fusions, what rim did you use?
I'd take a little snug over a little loose anyday to be honest.

Every batch of tire from any manufacturer is a little different, some are slightly larger, some slightly smaller.
I've had Marathons fall off the rim from being so far out of spec. The ones I bought the prior year made my thumbs bleed getting them on.
They loosened up enough that a flat change was doable after being on the rim for a few months. Everybiketire took the over sized Marathons back, great company btw.

I've got in the habit of undersizing my tubes slightly. It makes pinching one nearly impossible. Roadside repair in the dark or if it's cold is a lot less of a hassle.

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I swear by gatorskins. I've been using them (700X28 rear) for the last 4-5 years. I always get a minimum of 3000+ miles. I'm also working my way out of the Clydes as I was 260 2 years ago and now have worked my way down to 215-20! I do doubt that I will ever be in the 100's.
Destined to be a smaller clyde.
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Was a little tough here also, not nearly as bad as my marathons where though. I'm using Velocity fusions, what rim did you use?
Wolber T410 Alpines (1991) were pretty difficult, but doable. DT Swiss RR1.1 were quite impossible. Seriously, it was like they marked a 650b as a 700c; I literally kinked the wire bead trying to get these suckers on. They went straight into the trash and I put my Gatorskins back on.
The friend who gave them to me also couldn't get them mounted. He rides Mavic SpeedCity wheels.
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The friend who gave them to me also couldn't get them mounted. He rides Mavic SpeedCity wheels.
Makes me think it was a bad set if two people couldn't mount them. Shame, they're great tires.
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