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Old 02-08-10, 06:03 PM   #1
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2010 Specialized Allez vs. 2009 Fuji Newest 2.0

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My names Jeff and I'm a 6 foot tall, 288 pound (130kg) cycling newbie. I'm 31 years old, married and I'm the father of two, soon to be three children. Money is very tight and buying a bike may not be the best idea for us but I have to do something for my health that will help me lose weight and will keep my attention. I've been trying bikes at three local bike stores and I the first thing I can tell you is that I did not like the Trek bikes in my price range so they are out. They just weren't comfortable. Tonight I tried a 2010 Specialized Allez which featured Shimano 2300 components for $679.00 and a 2009 Fuji Newest 2.0 outfitted with Sora/Tiagra for $739.00. Both of them were 58cm bikes and both of them are within the amount of money I'm able to spend from my tax return without risking my wife having a stroke.

Things I liked about the Fuji:

- Very padded, comfortable saddle.
- Slightly more relaxed riding position.
- Felt a little more stable when pedaling while standing vs. the Specialized.

Things I disliked about the Fuji:

- Shifting felt sloppy.
- Components felt cheap despite being sora/tiagra.

Things I liked about the Specialized:

- Faster acceleration.
- Lighter.
- Shifting was light and crisp despite having Shimano 2300 vs. the Sora/Tiagra of the Fuji.
- Handling was responsive and exciting.

Things I disliked about the Specialized:

- The saddle, while still relatively comfortable, was noticeably less so than the Fuji.

With regards to the sloppier feel of the shifting on the Fuji, I should point out that the store clerk said that the shifting was off after examining the bike. Unfortunately, I had to leave before I could re-test it. I am returning on Saturday to re-test both of these bikes.

My reason for making this post is simply to ask anyone who reads this with any insight into these bikes, other bikes they'd recommend, anecdotes about things people have told them about these or other bikes or anything else they think would be valuable to me in my search for health and happiness to please take a moment and offer me a word.

Thanks in advance for your time.
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Old 03-15-10, 09:57 PM   #2
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I would chose the Specialized in this case. There's not enough difference between the components to really worry about it, even if the 2300 is only 8sp. What I prefer about the Specialized is the frame. I currently ride an '06 Allez with the A1 aluminum frame. I work for a Fuji dealer and have had first hand experience with the Newest line, and FWIW I own a Fuji MTB with the same Altair 2 aluminum used the Newest frames. The Fuji frames are soft, I've faced the head tubes and bottom brackets on both bikes, and the Fuji was WAY softer than the Specialized. My other complaint about the Fuji is the down tube. I don't like how it ties into the BB shell. The Newest's I've played with at the shop are quite a bit more flexible than my Specialized. Granted, mine is an older design so I don't know how it stacks up to the '10 model, but the few '10 Allezs that I've seen in person, the design 'looks' better for stiffness, possibly at a weight penalty though.
You already felt the difference in the geometry, the Allez has a steeper head tube angle making the steering twitchy'er,, I like that, some don't. Don't worry about actual weight, there's plenty to upgrade on both to make them lighter, in this price range weight shouldn't be a concern.
One thing to seriously consider though is that the Fuji comes with a compact double, the Allez your looking at is either triple or standard double. So keep your terrain and riding intentions in mind because a crank swap can get pricey fast. --Ryan
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Old 03-16-10, 06:06 AM   #3
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well i'm new on here.....but i just bought a Specialized Allez sport.....has the shimano 105 and i have the compact double....but the frames are the same.....i'm 6"8" and started my journey weighing in at 434......i am now down to 353! all thanks to improved eating habits and my Specialized.....since jan. 16 i have put over 350 miles on it.....my only real complaint was the saddle when i took her home.....but after some careful saddle sizing and some research i went with the larger specialized avatar 155 gel model....it set me back $110 but so worth it! i just bought some new bars....the control tech anatomical so i'm hoping that helps in the hand fatigue department! i have no complaints after having her for 2 months other than what i mentioned.....i would buy my Allez again in a second....i wish ya the best on your journey towards health.....btw, i so get the 3 kids thing...i have 3 and am a full time daddy(for 7 years) very easy to just take care of the kids and get fat!
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Old 03-16-10, 06:23 AM   #4
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I'm a big Specialized fan, so naturally I'd suggest the Specialized. But, aside from that, I would stay away from Fuji after a problem a friend had with them. He bought a new Fuji carbon road bike and about 3 months later the frame developed a crack where the seat tube joins the top tube. He contacted Fuji and they said he was too heavy to ride the frame (he was around 175# at the time). They then tried to say that he was "not using the frame for its intended purpose", whatever that means. He went around and around with them and finally got them to warranty it, but it took them almost 4 months to get the new frame to him.

I've never had a warranty problem with Specialized, but from what I've heard they are good to deal with in that department.
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My brother, who is just about your size, just bought a Fuji Newest 4.0 and he loves it. The only thing I don't like about it is that it has downtube shifters. The 3.0+ don't, but he couldn't afford that kind of money right now. I like his bike. It has a much more relaxed riding position than my Raleigh Sport, which is nice if you're looking to do a lot of cruising. And the seat is pretty comfortable.
From what it sounds like, you generally like the Specialized better than the Fuji, except for the seat. So go with that. It's cheaper too. Use the leftover money to find yourself a better for the Specialized.
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My brother, who is just about your size, just bought a Fuji Newest 4.0 and he loves it. The only thing I don't like about it is that it has downtube shifters. The 3.0+ don't, but he couldn't afford that kind of money right now. I like his bike. It has a much more relaxed riding position than my Raleigh Sport, which is nice if you're looking to do a lot of cruising. And the seat is pretty comfortable.
From what it sounds like, you generally like the Specialized better than the Fuji, except for the seat. So go with that. It's cheaper too. Use the leftover money to find yourself a better for the Specialized.
Tell your brother he did the right thing. I'd take down tube shifters over those POS microshifts on the 3.0 any day of the week. --Ryan
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I've been enjoying my Specialized, but admittedly, I don't have too much experience with other bike brands. I will say that my Specialized seat that came stock felt awkward at first, but after I put a few miles on it, I now realize it was just that my butt had to get accustomed to it. Now I can ride for hours on it with no issue. Softer, bigger saddles may feel better just hopping up for a quick ride, but they make my butt fall asleep because of distributed pressure across the butt, cutting off blood supply and numbing nerves and such. The stationaries at my gym game be such terrible numbbutt just for that very reason, I couldn't walk around very well after a hard hour-hour and 15, and it wasn't cause I was tired, it was the seat making my bottom go to sleep.

Just my tidbit, for what its worth. If you liked everything else, then you can easily find a new seat mate.
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