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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 02-17-10, 08:19 PM   #1
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Experince on a Brooks Flyer?

I wondering if any one uses a Brooks Flyer Saddle ( the B-17 with springs) I'm wondering if 235lbs will bottom out the springs?
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Old 02-17-10, 09:27 PM   #2
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You'll be fine on it. The springs will sqeak a little bit though, you'll either get used to it or it will drive you insane.
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You'll be fine on it. The springs will sqeak a little bit though, you'll either get used to it or it will drive you insane.
Springs shouldn't squeak at all. If you have a squeak, it's most likely coming from the tensioning bolt. A drop of oil should silence it.
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Thanks for the info....go'in shopping for the Flyer
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Get the Special, I was disappointed by the leather on the standard Flyer and gave it to my sister.
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I've got one on my commuter bike and I love it. It's heavy, but compared to all the crap I drag with me to work and back it's a drop in the bucket.
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The seat will hold up fine. I even took a few bumps on purpose to see what the seat could take.

I ended up returning mine though as the seat was simply too wide for my 130mm apart sits bones. The front portion of the saddle always made me feel like I was sitting on a baseball.
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Love mine. It's basically brand new and hard as a blcok of wood, but not mch of an issue, they just get better. Had a regular B17 which I loved, could not pass up the springs.
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I got forty pounds on you and my flyer doesn't bottom out. In fact, I have to hit something pretty hard, or hop a curb to make any noticable movement at all. That's what I wanted though. I wouldn't want my seat bouncing all the time. Just when there is a big hit.
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Seat can take it. The squeak annoys me so I oil it. I also got a Conquest which is the Pro with springs. They don't make it anymore , but you may find NOS at a bike store like I did. Smaller but stiffer leather. More comfortable for me.
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I have the Flyer pre-aged (with laces). I love mine. So far I have never bottomed out and i'm 240. I believe Brooks recommends getting the Flyer if your saddle is even or below the handlebars.
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In my experience Brooks has been hit-or-miss the last few years. I have a B-17 (unsprung) with very thin leather. After a thousand miles or so it's essentially become unusable for my 200 pounds. That isn't typical, but from what I've gathered lately, it isn't as atypical as it should be, either.

I have been using the Velo -Orange Model 5 saddle the last few months. It uses very thick leather and heavy, well chromed rails and springs. Otherwise it is very similar to the Flyer, and comes pre-laced.
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I've been heavily debating getting a Brooks saddle. Is there much of any real comfort difference between the B17 and the Flyer? Some posts seem to indicate that it takes quite a hard jolt to get the spring to move at all. If the springs are THAT firm, do they really even make that big of a difference? Do they make it easier for the uninitiated to get used to a Brooks?

I come from a world of "gel comfort" so obviously the rather hard appearing Brooks is being met with some genuine scrutiny.
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Most folks find that the gel saddles are less comfortable than they appear, as the sit bones squish the gel out of the way, which then ends up pressing on the sensitive bits. I can't spend more than 15 minutes on a gel saddle without Mr. Happy drifting off to parts unknown. Leather saddles don't do that, though they do tend to hurt the sit bones until broken in.

I haven't found a massive difference in comfort between sprung and unsprung. It is true that it takes a bit of a bump before the springs spring. You can't expect them to really smooth out the road patter. The fatter you are, of course, the less of a bump it takes for the springs to jump in. I assume that at some weight (above 300 pounds, probably) the springs are always seeing action.
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With saddles Bluetrane2028 its always a personal choice.

I never heard of Brooks until I started reading these forums. I didn't buy into the hype and waited until I could see or feel one for myself. When i did find a shop that carried it I was like no way that thing could be comfortable (very firm leather) and I couldn't justify spending that much.

After constantly reading about them and finding a good deal online I decided to give it a try. It is definetly the best saddle I have ever tried (Flyer pre-aged). Mine never really had a break in period either. The more I ride, the less I realize it is there.

Sprung saddles work best when the saddle is about even or lower than the handlebars. Just because you don't bounce up and down on it while riding doesn't mean its not working. It tends to smooth out the ride.
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On my bikes, the saddle is ever so slightly higher than the bar. I guess that rules out the springs anyways.

Thanks for the help!
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My sprung saddle is slightly higher than my bars...
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I wondering if any one uses a Brooks Flyer Saddle ( the B-17 with springs) I'm wondering if 235lbs will bottom out the springs?
No Clydesdale or Fat Pony should be riding on a Brooks saddle.

Every male cyclist is going to have to deal with an enlarged prostate in their later years. Sure a Brooks looks beautiful, but you're going to have enough problems with your perineum area without adding issues like a Brooks. Sure there are thousands of pretentious buffoons who swear by 'em. However their circulatory system and nerves run the same place as everyone elses.

Trust me, get yourself a good supportive saddle like a Selle Italia Prolink Gel Flow. The official Clydesdale saddle if their ever was one. Perfect for Clydesdales and Fat Ponies alike.
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So you're planning on preventing prostate problems by going with the one type of saddle that puts the most pressure on the perineum?
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No Clydesdale or Fat Pony should be .......

blah, blah, blah.....blah, blah, blah

.................. Clydesdales and Fat Ponies alike.
What a load of horse****
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In my experience Brooks has been hit-or-miss the last few years. I have a B-17 (unsprung) with very thin leather. After a thousand miles or so it's essentially become unusable for my 200 pounds. That isn't typical, but from what I've gathered lately, it isn't as atypical as it should be, either.
I have 9 Brooks saddles, only one of them showed what I consider a premature sag, this being after about 8000 miles lugging my fat ass back and forth to work. I popped a couple holes in the skirt with a drill and ran a shoelace through it. Voila, most comfortable saddle this side of my pre-production Imperial.
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Your experience jibes with mine, ie. an approximately 10% defect rate. This is not exactly the end of the world, and both Brooks and their distributors stand behind their product if you do get a bad one. But I also don't consider a 10% defect rate acceptable from a company of Brooks' stature.
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