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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 02-20-10, 10:39 PM   #1
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Borderline Clyde wheelset

I'm now 210lbs and still losing! With my borderline clyde status, I'm going to treat myself to a new wheelset. Looking to replace my shimano rs-10 wheels that came with the roubaix. I mostly like to do distance riding with the club and involves lots of hills. Also might get into some of their TT's this year. Most probably want an aluminum clincher thats light/stiff. What wheelsets should I be considering? Budget is under 1k.

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So much to choose from in that price range.. You could easily afford a custom set of wheels built up on lightweight hubs, like DA, white Industry or Chris King..

Rims to consider would be DT Swiss RR 1.1 / 415's or Velocity Aerohead rims.. You could easily go with a 28 front . 32 rear combo for a long lasting wheelset

2 good websites to see what is out there in terms of wheels choice and custom choices are:

http://www.prowheelbuilder.com/
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If you want something already built up, have heard great things about the excel swissthreat wheels.. Custom clincher set built to last right at 1400-1500grams, depending on the spoke count you choose.

http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=24
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Thanks for your help. Yes, there are tons of wheelsets in that pricerange. I was looking last night at some of these:

american classic 420 aero3, reynolds ea90 sl or tt, shimano 7850's, I will need to do alot more research but my real concern is my current weight although I hope to lose even more. Please keep the suggestions coming!
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I'm 210 and ride DT Swiss RR 1.1 with DA hubs 32 Front 32 Rear. Love them and they are bomb proof. I beat them on dirt roads and ride 32mm tires in Colorado on a cross bike. Got them from Excel Sports. The RR 1.1 has been replaced with the RR465 this year. Spent half of your budget 2 years ago. I would buy them again. Look at the DT Swiss RR 1.2 if you want something that is more Aero, stronger also.
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reynolds ea90 sl or tt
Easton makes the EA90 SL, and EA90 TT wheelsets. I've got a set of Easton EA90 SL wheels and they've been great! Out of the box, they're probably the best wheels I own. A $1000 budget buys you just about anything. For wheels, I like Easton, Williams, and those made by BF member psimet. If your budget truly is in the $1000 range, you might consider buying an aluminum clincher wheelset with a PowerTap rear hub. I just got a set from Psimet and am finding the PT to be a great training aid...

FWIW, I haven't felt much aerodynamic advantage from 28-30mm deep wheels like the EA90 TT or EA90 Aero. If you really want/need aero rims for anything other than looks, I think you need to go deeper: 38mm minimum, with 50mm being better. That means carbon fiber which even I, a carbon zealot, would be somewhat concerned about riding day-in and day-out.

For durability, I'd go with 20F/24R spoke wheels minimum. I've ridden 16/20 without trouble when I was 200+, but I suspect 20/24 or 24/28 will last a lot longer. All of the wheelsets I ride regularly have 24F/28R spokes or more...
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Rims to consider would be DT Swiss RR 1.1 / 415's or Velocity Aerohead rims.. You could easily go with a 28 front . 32 rear combo for a long lasting wheelset
I'm curious why you recommend the DT Swiss and Velocity rims, but not the Mavic Open Pros. I'm in a similar situation to the OP (borderline clyde, needing wheels), my craptacular Mavic Aksiums have given up the ghost after a mere 6.5kish road miles and 150ish trainer hours. They're not worth fixing, and it's time for me to get a proper wheelset for distance riding (not mega distance, just 60-140 mile days) and credit card touring (so panniers but not much more).

I am thinking Open Pros, white hubs, db spokes, but have the DT Swiss and Velocity rims done much better for clydes?
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I've ridden thousands of miles on DT Swiss RR1.1, Open Pro, CXP33 and Sun Rhinos. Paired with Mavic 601, Shimano DA \ Ultegra \ 105 and Phil Woods.

More than the parts, the critical factor in a wheel is the wheelbuilder.
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sstorkel, sorry i might have forgotten a comma or not thinking clearly (ie looking at so many options)

Yes, my concern is with the weight/durability of the wheelset. My average ride is 20-25 miles and lots of climbing. Roads are average condition, not great. Aero would be nice but not a primary concern. Its all about the hills for me.
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I'm still about a month away from getting my first road bike, but I've already looking in to wheel sets - one that looks particularly interesting to me is the American Classic Hurricanes.
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I'm curious why you recommend the DT Swiss and Velocity rims, but not the Mavic Open Pros. I'm in a similar situation to the OP (borderline clyde, needing wheels), my craptacular Mavic Aksiums have given up the ghost after a mere 6.5kish road miles and 150ish trainer hours. They're not worth fixing, and it's time for me to get a proper wheelset for distance riding (not mega distance, just 60-140 mile days) and credit card touring (so panniers but not much more).

I am thinking Open Pros, white hubs, db spokes, but have the DT Swiss and Velocity rims done much better for clydes?
I have every version of open pros since they came out, compared to DT Swiss, they are a well regarded rim but the quality does not compare to the dt swiss.. The new open pros are just not made as well as previous incarnations of that rim.. If you are looking for bombproof the DT swiss rr 1.2 or now called the RR585 rims are a good way to go.. I also have had great success with Velocity Aerohead and Deep V rims..

The OP sounded like he wanted a more lightweight wheelset and you can't go wrong with the excel handbuilts on the DT Swiss rims and hubs.. You can also choose 28 or 32 hole versions..

The DT Swiss and Open pro's have almost a similar profile and weight but the DT's are just a stiffer rim.

I recently had an rear wheel built up on Campy Centaur hub and Velocity Aerohead w/ 36 spokes.. I had my friend Mark built it for durability so he used straight gauge dt spokes and brass nipples and it still built up to 950 grams which is pretty good for a 36 hole wheel..

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I've had great exerience with the Velocity Deep V (30 mm deep) but you aren't as heavy as I am so if I were your weight:


I do fine on 32 spoke Deep V's at 230-245 lbs with lots of climbing.

Rear....Velocity Fusion (25 mm).....not quite as deep as the 30 mm Deep V
http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=586

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front....Velocity Aerohead (21 mm)

http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=581

Cool thing about Velocity is variety of colors offered.
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I've had great exerience with the Velocity Deep V (30 mm deep) but you aren't as heavy as I am so if I were your weight:


I do fine on 32 spoke Deep V's at 230-245 lbs with lots of climbing.

Rear....Velocity Fusion (25 mm).....not quite as deep as the 30 mm Deep V
http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=586

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front....Velocity Aerohead (21 mm)

http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=581
I'd go with the Velocity Aerohead in the front and the Aerohead OC in the rear. OP doesn't need aero, so I wouldn't bother with the Fusion. Aerohead OC should keep spoke tension pretty similar between the drive and non-drive sides. At least it did when I built wheels using the Synergy OC. Should, hopefully, lead to a more durable wheel. I'd go for 20 or 24 spokes in the front, 24 or 28 spokes in the rear.
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. OP doesn't need aero, so I wouldn't bother with the Fusion.
I don't remember reading a statement that says he's avoiding an aero rim, so I guess you and I interpret the statement below differently!


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A lot of people will swear that you can't ride less than 28 spokes if you are over 200 lbs. I don't buy into that. I have been riding a set of Mavic Aksiums with 24 rear/20 front spokes for three seasons (270# at my highest) and they are still going strong. I also have a set of Neuvation M-28's that have 20 rear/16 front spokes. No problems except for a broken rear hub that was a manufacturing defect and was covered under warranty.

Having said that, if I had $1000 to spend, it would be on a set of Spinergy Stealth PBO's. Not an aluminum clincher though...
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I'm curious why you recommend the DT Swiss and Velocity rims, but not the Mavic Open Pros.
- Open Pros don't have wear indicators on the braking surface, the RR1.1 does. Not a deal breaker, but it's nice to know when your rims are starting to wear thin.
- I've seen 2 wheel failures from spokes pulling through the rim on an Open Pro, but never on an RR1.1
- It's my opinion that Open Pro rims are noisy. Sounds crazy, I know... but ride a pair and then ride an identical wheel with an RR1.1 rim and you'll hear the difference. Road chatter is louder with the Open Pro; while that might not be an issue with most people, I do a lot of solo distance on chip-sealed roads and that noise would drive me phrackin' batty after 30 miles.

At a max of 255 pounds, and now down to 235 pounds, I've got over 10,000 miles on my front RR1.1 rim, and around 5000 miles on the rear.
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A lot of people will swear that you can't ride less than 28 spokes if you are over 200 lbs. I don't buy into that. I have been riding a set of Mavic Aksiums with 24 rear/20 front spokes for three seasons (270# at my highest) and they are still going strong. I also have a set of Neuvation M-28's that have 20 rear/16 front spokes. No problems except for a broken rear hub that was a manufacturing defect and was covered under warranty....

I have a set of 16 spoke Shimano 7700's and I just broke a spoke on the rear wheel for the first time since I first bought it back in 2000! That's 10 years and ten thousand+ (probably a whole lot more)miles hauling my 240lb butt all over this US of A. We get too fixated on spoke count etc when any wheel built with quality components by a competent wheel builder will work for the vast majority of us clydes. The key words in that phrase is competent wheel builder. Everything else is secondary. You can build a 42 spoke "tandem" wheel with all the best components built by an incompetent mechanic and it won't last 200 miles.
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Agreed, I have set of Campy Eurus with 21 spokes on the rear and it is solid wheelset.. But the OP has the budget to get a very nice set of customs hoops if that is what he wants.. Sounds like he wants something a little lighter weight since he is dropping weight.. Once you get into the 1500-1700 grams range there are quite a few choices..

Another great choice are the DT Swiss Mon Chasseral wheels, 1450 grams for the pair..

http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=37
http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=37

another great choice and the Team CSC Zipp training wheels which come right at 1500 grams

http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=37
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I wasn't advocating anything in particular. I just wanted to point out that a quality wheel builder is the most important part of the wheel equation. There are a ton of great wheels in the OP's price range.
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I would go with a ptap set from psimet if you are into that sort of thing...if not you can get carbon for under 1000 if you want
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Thanks Clifton! That's what I needed to know. DT 1.1s it is.
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My next set might be using the new Velocity A23 rims. About as light as the DT Swiss or Mavic, but might put a bit more rubber on the road when cornering (if the hype and ride reports of the newer HED clincher wheels are to be believed).
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I am 235+ lbs and been riding for 6 month the Spinergy Stealth PBO Carbon wheels
http://www.spinergy.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=20_1
All I have to say is they are fast and bomb proof..the PBO are amazing and the wheels stay true
Slow start and a little heavy at less than 20mph but over that they will fly and will easily gain you 2-3 mph for the same effort. You can find them on ebay for about $400 leass a pair than adverstised on their website. I have the white spokes and I love the look
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My next set might be using the new Velocity A23 rims. About as light as the DT Swiss or Mavic, but might put a bit more rubber on the road when cornering (if the hype and ride reports of the newer HED clincher wheels are to be believed).
I emailed Velocity about their A23 & Synergy rims which are the same 23mm width. They agreed that the Synergy will give the same "rubber on the road" benefit as the A23, with a stronger rim, at the expense of ~65 grams per rim. the A23 makes a nice looking wheel though, and it is available up to 36 spokes too.
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