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    New member here...and yes, new to biking :)

    Hello everyone, like the title says I'm new here and looking to get into light cycling (hoping to become more of an avid cyclist in the future).

    My wife and I are both on the "hefty" side (me more so than her by a long shot....I'm right at 280lbs and 6'2" and my wife.....well that's confidential as in, I wouldn't dare ask her and if I somehow found out then yeah I'd have to be killed lol).

    We're both wanting to get into cycling mainly for health reasons, to get into better shape, and of course to lose some weight.

    So we've been looking at getting some Trek Navigator 3.0's....she could get away with a 2.0 but she would be too jealous of my blue 3.0 that she insists having one as well. lol I was told that with my size a 2.0 wouldn't be able to put up with the punishment...so for me a 3.0 it's going to be.

    We will be riding on mostly bike trails which have a mix of paving along with dirt and a little loose gravel. We figured that a comfort bike would suite us the best, rather than a mountain bike or hybrid. Maybe some day we'll get into wanting to go longer distances at a faster pace...and then we might explore a faster more efficient hybrid bike, but for now we want to take it a little easier and enjoy the ride.

    I was wondering if anyone here might any experience with the Navigator 3.0 and would be willing to share their thoughts of it. And of course any insight you all might have for beginners like my wife and I would be greatly appreciated.

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    Navigators are a great choice and are the choice of many for the use you are looking for. The most important place to start is getting bikes that fit and that you're comfortable on and then go out and ride. Don't try to set any speed or distance records, just ride often. Consistency is of supreme importance.

    And you've obviously already learned the other very important lesson, wife always has a bike equal or better than yours.

    Get your bikes, get out ther and have fun. You will be surprised how quickly the miles add up.

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    congrats

    If you are looking to lose weight I would highly suggest that both of you get a heart rate monitor and "ride your heart rate". Spending two hours a day riding too slow is less helpful than riding 40 minutes at an aerobic pace. For some people aerobic may be very, very slow but if you have a heart monitor you will get the most out of your time and you won't be out of breath or wondering if you are exercising too hard or two little. I've dropped 35lb or so and I attribute almost all of it to riding and using a heart monitor. It's certainly not the BBQ ribs I often make...

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    Thanks for the advice. We will definitely look into the heart rate monitors. At first all we're going to shoot for is simply riding and getting the hang of it again.

    But first though, we need to actually get the bikes. Only reason we haven't yet is because we're both worried that we'll get the bikes and do it for a little while and then slowly ride them less and less...and eventually end up collecting dust in the garage. But I think those concerns are quickly diminishing, especially after reading some of the threads in these forums. In fact, I just ordered our first pairs of cycling shorts tonight.

    I contacted a shop in this area and they actually have some Navigator 3.0's in stock, in both our sizes, and both in blue. I asked they would be willing to hold them till Saturday for us, and they're willing to do so. So I'll give them a call tomorrow morning and ask them to go ahead and hold a couple for us. So long story short....I'm pretty we're going to be coming home this Saturday with our bikes.

    I was wondering if anyone can recommend a hitch bike rack that won't break the bank. My truck is a Toyota Tacoma double cab with a shorter bed (since the cab is bigger I don't have a six foot bed). Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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    Well, I'll start of with "Welcome to the herd!"

    Sounds like you're planning things out well, so just have fun with it at first, and the strength and endurance will come. remember, though, first, always and foremost.......if you want to keep riding, make it fun. You should have that childhood grin on yer chops when you are riding.

    There's a much less expensive option than a hitch rack, since you have a truck.

    http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...8_10000_200452
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    Congrats on the new bikes and welcome!

    The wife and I started off with Trek Navigators back in 2003. They are wonderful bikes and in fact, I've never even had a flat tire with them. I even rode a singletrack mountain bike course with mine and it held up just fine.

    Ever since I got back into cycling, I've really been dropping the weight and increasing my speed and endurance.

    Cycling is addicting. We just bought 2 road bikes and 2 mountain bikes.

    Make sure to keep us updated and upload some pictures of the bikes.

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    The big problem with that bike is you are sitting fully upright and that is really, really hard to do for any length of time. Fine for a ride around the block and maybe good for getting your legs back working, but once you find you want to ride longer you'll need a bike that lets you lean over a bit more, like a cross bike or a mountain bike. But anything is better than nothing.

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    Well we went and got the Navigators today, along with a hitch bike rack for the truck (was on a killer sale...last year's model).

    First thing we did was head straight for the state park just a few miles away. We only did a few miles, but it was great! I felt like a kid again....well except for that one hill. You know, the one where you're not going fast enough before hitting it and as you go further and further up it you start going slower and slower? And then you end up having to get off and walk the rest of the way up... Yeah that hill...didn't do so well on that part. lol

    Had we been in better shape it wouldn't have been a problem I'm sure. We'll get there...just going to take a little time.

    We're very glad we went with the bike choice we made...we'll be getting our use out of them for sure.

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    Congrats and welcome. I went with the Navigator 1.0 basically because it had a sold front fork and seat post. My weight would bottom out the suspension. It has been incredibly solid for me. Enjoy it and the time with the wife. I ride with my wife as well and we are having a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Well, I'll start of with "Welcome to the herd!"

    There's a much less expensive option than a hitch rack, since you have a truck.

    http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...8_10000_200452
    I will do a +1 on what Tom suggested. I made one of these a few years ago (15) to put my bikes in the back of a SUV. Works awesome and if you have the space, keeps them confined if something goes wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrown9064 View Post
    I will do a +1 on what Tom suggested. I made one of these a few years ago (15) to put my bikes in the back of a SUV. Works awesome and if you have the space, keeps them confined if something goes wrong.
    Yeah I looked into that but unfortunately my truck is leased so I can't drill into the bed liner or I'll have to pay for it to be repaired or replaced. I'm pretty sure that I'm going to keep it after the lease is up, but not 100% certain yet. So I went ahead and got that hitch rack yesterday for dirt cheap.

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    I started with a Navigator. It was OK. Not too comfortable for rides over 10-15 miles. I commuted a few times on the Navigator. It worked... but was not the best solution (I use a touring bike now.) Once I really got into cycling, the Navigator became the "putz around the neighborhood" bike. The Navigator has since been sold.

    My rack solution with my pickup is a 2 x 4 with 2 traps bike mounts (available from nashbar for $19 each) attached. Total cost = $40. It's not attached to the bed of the truck so it's not "permanent."

    Welcome to the forum. Good luck. It won't be long until you'll be wanting to ride longer distances.

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    I'm new to this forum and am a 300 lb. Clydesdale-in-training. I bought a Scott Sportster commuter bike last fall and really enjoy it. I have done rides around 35 miles and felt fine. As I keep dropping more weight, I'll move to a road bike.

    I am glad you and your wife bought those bikes and hope that you will love this new thing you can do together.

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    Farva here with an update.

    Well, it was cool and everything that summer five years ago. We rode every weekend like clockwork and like I had suspected....it got easier and easier as we both got in better shape. That hill I complained about then wasn't so bad after a few weekends. It was a good time and we enjoyed getting out on our bikes.

    And then life had to happen and my job at the time had me traveling more a little bit later that summer. It seemed that I was always on the road and away for sometimes 2-3 weeks at a time. The weekends that I could make it home for the weekend the last thing I wanted to do was exercise....I was just always drained from 10-12 hour work days 5-6 days a week back then. In the winters our working hours weren't so bad but I was on the road a lot even then. When I was home it was way too cold out (Chicagoland area here) to get on the bikes.

    Long story short...what I feared the most about buying the bikes that year was that we would use them for a bit and then they would collect dust in the garage ended up coming true. It's been five years since we bought the Navigators, and it's been almost five years since we used them.

    Late 2012 I got a new job that is only 11 miles away and no more traveling. I haven't gotten back in the saddle quite yet, but we're planning on correcting that very soon. We picked up our bikes yesterday from the LBS we purchased from after having them do a tune-up on both bikes. Had it not been for the rain yesterday we would have already taken them out. Today I plan on getting on it and getting a couple/few miles on it. My wife might wait a day or two for it to warm up a bit again, but we're planning on trying to use them every other day if not a daily basis.

    I'm a couple pounds heavier than I was when I started this thread, currently at 285 right now. But my wake-up call was a few weeks ago when I stepped on the scale and it read 296. It was the heaviest I've ever been in my life, and I need to do something about it. So we started walking our dogs more. I can only do about half to one mile per night due to my flat-footed problems. I work on a concrete floor all day in work boots and it kills my feet like you wouldn't believe. (Which is the big reason I wanted to pick up cycling in the first place five years ago) But even with just the short-ish walks every evening and cutting back on my food portions a tiny bit I've lost 11 pounds in about 3-4 weeks. But I obviously need to do more. So last weekend when we decided to clean and reorganize the garage we decided to take the bikes in and have a tune-up done to get them road and bike path ready.

    Well, here's to a 2nd take of my original plan. I have confidence it's going to work out this time, at least I don't have to deal with traveling anymore. So it's up to me if I stick with it or not. I sure hope I don't let myself down....but as my wife always claims....I'm too damn stubborn to let that happen. Wish me luck.

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    Good on you for picking the bike back up! Just stick with it for a couple months and it'll just become a habit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittyname View Post
    Good on you for picking the bike back up! Just stick with it for a couple months and it'll just become a habit
    Thanks. We did get to go out and ride around the neighborhood some today. It was only a couple of miles but it was a whole lot more fun than walking the dogs, which we did do as sort of a warm-up to the ride. Felt really good to get on and just go for a bit. Although the saddle left much to be desired....might have to look into other options for that. It didn't feel too good even with wearing my bike shorts. I don't remember that as being much of a complaint from before, but it has been a while and I could have just forgotten about it.

    What I do remember from when we first got the bikes is that I didn't like sitting so upright after a few weekends and wished that I had bought a different type of hybrid bike. Today I wasn't feeling that way but if over time I start having those thoughts I think I might look into another option....I've been eyeballing either an 8.4 DS or 8.5 DS as I think that would be the best of both worlds for me. Faster bike on the road that is capable of going on some of the bike trails we have in this area. But that will be further down the road....I promised my wife that I would give this a couple of months to be sure that we stick with it before we start considering the possibility of new bikes.

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    You need to use a bike trainer during the cold season. It would benefit you and your wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 View Post
    You need to use a bike trainer during the cold season. It would benefit you and your wife.

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    We have discussed this and will very likely get a couple of fluid trainers for the winter. Since we cleaned up our garage and decluttered it we now have basically half a garage to set up our bikes on the trainers during the winter. We'll have to buy an electric heater of some sort of course and I'm going to also look into adding another layer of insulation on the garage door to help with keeping it a bit warmer. One of the trainers I was looking at was at nashbar.com made by the company that you have pictured in your post. The other two that we might look at are made by CycleOps and the other is Kurt Kinetic...but they are also twice the cost as the Ascent. We have time to research and weigh the different options, but by reading the reviews at nashbar that Ascent fluid trainer seems to be a great value for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largefarva View Post
    Thanks. We did get to go out and ride around the neighborhood some today. It was only a couple of miles but it was a whole lot more fun than walking the dogs, which we did do as sort of a warm-up to the ride. Felt really good to get on and just go for a bit. Although the saddle left much to be desired....might have to look into other options for that. It didn't feel too good even with wearing my bike shorts. I don't remember that as being much of a complaint from before, but it has been a while and I could have just forgotten about it.

    What I do remember from when we first got the bikes is that I didn't like sitting so upright after a few weekends and wished that I had bought a different type of hybrid bike. Today I wasn't feeling that way but if over time I start having those thoughts I think I might look into another option....I've been eyeballing either an 8.4 DS or 8.5 DS as I think that would be the best of both worlds for me. Faster bike on the road that is capable of going on some of the bike trails we have in this area. But that will be further down the road....I promised my wife that I would give this a couple of months to be sure that we stick with it before we start considering the possibility of new bikes.
    If you're looking to replace your Navigators, the DS is a nice bike. I'd take a strong look at the FX line as well. Ask yourself how often you'll be taking it on the dirt; I like my DS, but most of my riding is on pavement so in hindsight an FX may have been a more suitable choice. Plus, that 7.3 in bright green is fantastic...

    Either way, as long as you're riding, you're doing better

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    Welcome back! I've found that having a bike you like to ride is key to motivation me to ride. I got a new Trek FX this week and I love it. It has definitely motivated me to ride more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittyname View Post
    If you're looking to replace your Navigators, the DS is a nice bike. I'd take a strong look at the FX line as well. Ask yourself how often you'll be taking it on the dirt; I like my DS, but most of my riding is on pavement so in hindsight an FX may have been a more suitable choice. Plus, that 7.3 in bright green is fantastic...

    Either way, as long as you're riding, you're doing better
    I did look at the FX line for a bit until I found the DS line. Here in Lake County, IL there are a ton of bike trails in forest preserves and state parks, and as far as I know none of them are paved. I very well could be wrong but I'm quite certain that they're all dirt. Not loose dirt or anything but they're dirt nonetheless. I figured that the DS would be better suited for that sort of terrain. One thing I'm concerned about is the rider weight limit for the wheels on the FX and DS lines. According to Trek's website the weight limit is 300 lbs for the bikes....but I would think a sturdier wheel would be preferred. It's going to be a while yet before I can get a new bike (possibly my wife as well....she really enjoyed yesterday's ride too so she might be wanting to get something faster in the future also) so I do have time to weigh my options. One good thing that I thought is that if we do get another set of bikes then we can set up the Navigators on the trainers we would like to get next fall and leave them set up for that.

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    Another option if the seat continues to bug you and you dont like being as upright is to get a recumbent. There are upsides and downsides to them. Also, there are a ton of different styles and formats. I found my tadpole trike to be a great way to get back into riding. I've had it a couple of years now and put a lot of miles on it. It was certainly a lot easier to get going when I started at around 340 lbs (guessing, I really dont remember how much I weighed).

    Main upsides (IMHO): lack of butt, back, shoulder, and neck pains. Easier to carry cargo. coolness factor with kids. Screams down hills.
    Main downsides: cannot de-weight the wheels to go over a bump. three tire paths to worry about instead of 1. A little wider, so takes more room on the road.

    Just something to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largefarva View Post
    One thing I'm concerned about is the rider weight limit for the wheels on the FX and DS lines. According to Trek's website the weight limit is 300 lbs for the bikes....but I would think a sturdier wheel would be preferred.
    Regarding wheels: I am about your size. I had a Cannondale Quick 4 before the new Trek and I also had a Trek road bike and now have a Bianchi road bike. I have had no wheel or spoke issues at all on any of them. On the Cannondale, I went off a paved trail avoiding a squirrel and hit a squared rock edge hard enough to blow my rear tire but the wheel showed no damage. These bikes' wheels are pretty tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by largefarva View Post
    Well we went and got the Navigators today, along with a hitch bike rack for the truck (was on a killer sale...last year's model).

    First thing we did was head straight for the state park just a few miles away. We only did a few miles, but it was great! I felt like a kid again....well except for that one hill. You know, the one where you're not going fast enough before hitting it and as you go further and further up it you start going slower and slower? And then you end up having to get off and walk the rest of the way up... Yeah that hill...didn't do so well on that part. lol

    Had we been in better shape it wouldn't have been a problem I'm sure. We'll get there...just going to take a little time.

    We're very glad we went with the bike choice we made...we'll be getting our use out of them for sure.
    Have you tried the hill, since you returned to riding?

    Use that hill as a goal where you can eventually start at the bottom with no head start and just spin up.

    Remember that on a hill like that, you need to find the smallest gear in front, and the biggest gear in the back. You may feel like your spinning your legs really fast, but if that gets you up the hill. Do it.

    Note: I've got a hill on a group ride near me that is like that, so I feel your pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decotriumph View Post
    Regarding wheels: I am about your size. I had a Cannondale Quick 4 before the new Trek and I also had a Trek road bike and now have a Bianchi road bike. I have had no wheel or spoke issues at all on any of them. On the Cannondale, I went off a paved trail avoiding a squirrel and hit a squared rock edge hard enough to blow my rear tire but the wheel showed no damage. These bikes' wheels are pretty tough.
    That is certainly good to hear. Thank you for that info.

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