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    Trek Pilot 2.0 vs. Specialized Secteur EliteTriple for weekend distance Clydeing

    hi there...I'm just about at the weight limit for Trek road bikes, thus posting this here instead of Road forum (or Commuting, my usual haunt).

    Been commuting since last November on a Trek Soho, an all-aluminum bike with internal gears/brakes and no chain (belt drive). Great commuter bike, but not perfect for distance riding as I discovered on a half-century last weekend...sore arms, back, and butt, and not a lot of help up the hills.

    Looking for a road bike that has
    * relaxed geometry - it's hard enough to lean over on my Soho
    * real "granny gear" for the hills
    * carbon fork AND seat post to minimize vibration, saving my arms/back/butt
    * decent components though I don't plan to race anytime soon
    * braze-ons, in case I decide to try commuting on it

    Have looked at a lot of reviews and also checked the stock of my trusted LBSes, I've got the decision down to the two bikes in the subject line.

    what pushes me to the Trek Pilot 2.0 (2.1 is not available locally):
    + available at the store where I bought my Soho, not as far away as store that carries the Secteur
    + $200 cheaper than the Secteur Elite Triple

    what pushes me to the Specialized Secteur Elite Triple (Sport Triple does not have carbon seatpost):
    + Shimano 105 group (everyone says it's awesome, though I'm not sure I can tell the difference between that and Tiagara (on Pilot))
    + have had some build problems w/Soho, so would like to try another brand
    + forum gushing about Roubiaux (all-carbon version of Secteur) makes me think there's something right with this bike (e.g., Zertz inserts), whereas the Pilot has been in and out of the Trek lineup making me think they're not really committed to it

    my gut says to spend $200 extra for the Specialized. The Pilot seems like a Soho with different gears/brakes, so I might as well try something new. also, 3 extra gears can't hurt.

    anyone disagree with this conclusion?
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    I don't know anything about these two bikes, but I did hear the same stuff about the 105 group when I was looking to buy. I went with a bike with all 105 components except the rear derailler which is ultegra. I have to say I'm very happy with it. It's easy, intuitive and never gives me a problem. That's not to say there's anything wrong with Tiagra, but I am glad I went for the 105.
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    My wife and I just bought the two bikes you just mentioned. I test rode Trek, Cannondale, Giant and Specialized and fell in love with the Secteur the second I got on it. She got the Trek 2.1. I get mine on Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcpilot View Post
    My wife and I just bought the two bikes you just mentioned. I test rode Trek, Cannondale, Giant and Specialized and fell in love with the Secteur the second I got on it. She got the Trek 2.1. I get mine on Wednesday.
    outstanding - look fwd to hearing how you like the Secteur (and can you clarify which Secteur model you got?)
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    Senior Member mtalinm's Avatar
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    oh also, I heard that the 105 shifters don't show which gear you're in whereas the Tiagaras do ... would like to know what gear I'm in :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtalinm View Post
    oh also, I heard that the 105 shifters don't show which gear you're in whereas the Tiagaras do ... would like to know what gear I'm in :-)
    This is true (at least for the past few years Tiagra gives a rough indicator of the gear, not precise). There are one of two approaches you can take: 1) glance down at the chain, in road bike position it's not as hard as you might think; 2) install an in-line gear indicator.

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    I have both 105 and Tiagra two on different bikes. I really can't feel any difference performance wise between the two. The Tiagra may be a little heavier, but most likely not enough for most riders to tell. That said, the 105 is a nice upgrade if you can afford it. I tested the Pilot a couple of years ago and found it a little more flex then what I liked at the time, of course things may have changed by now. One other thing, I would not be to concerned with a carbon seat post. There is much more comfort in going with larger tires then will ever be realized with the fancy seat post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hill-Pumper View Post
    I have both 105 and Tiagra two on different bikes. I really can't feel any difference performance wise between the two. The Tiagra may be a little heavier, but most likely not enough for most riders to tell. That said, the 105 is a nice upgrade if you can afford it. I tested the Pilot a couple of years ago and found it a little more flex then what I liked at the time, of course things may have changed by now. One other thing, I would not be to concerned with a carbon seat post. There is much more comfort in going with larger tires then will ever be realized with the fancy seat post.
    thanks, that's helpful on multiple levels.

    if you can't tell a difference between 105 and Tiagra, I'll probably stick with the latter since the shifters show you what gear you're in.

    have heard others speak not all that highly of the Pilot, and it sounds like Trek is discontinuing it for 2011 after reinstating it for 2010. my LBS can't find a Pilot 2.1 anywhere in the distributor network, only the lower-end 2.0 - maybe that's telling.
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    I picked up the Secteur Elite Compact a month a half ago. I was talked into the upgrade because of the 105 components (thanks bautieri) and I am very happy with the bike. It is aggressive enough for me to feel speedy, but relaxed enough that I don't feel every bump or piece of gravel on the road. At the end of the ride my arms and shoulders feel fine, as does my surgically repaired back.
    I can not compare it to the pilot, but I am extremely happy with Secteur.
    Oh and glancing down at the chain to see what gear you are in is quite easy.
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    thanks 2Klose, that's great news!! The Road forum had pretty much convinced me to go with the Secteur Elite; your post seals the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtalinm View Post
    thanks 2Klose, that's great news!! The Road forum had pretty much convinced me to go with the Secteur Elite; your post seals the deal.
    No Problem. Just sharing my extremely positive experience.
    Hope you find as much joy in yours as I am in mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtalinm View Post
    outstanding - look fwd to hearing how you like the Secteur (and can you clarify which Secteur model you got?)
    I purchased the Specialized Secteur Elite Triple and should get it on Wednesday. The LBS came down to $1350 for the Secteur and they gave us a free fitting and basic pedals. Also got 10% off accessories for a year. I'm glad I went with my LBS.

    The first thing I noticed when riding the Secteur was the smoothness over bumps and the less aggressive riding position when compared to the Giant Defy, Trek 2.1 and Cannondale Synapse 5.

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    Just got the Secteur Elite today and rode 11 miles. I haven't done that since I was like 10 yrs old. The bike was great. I had pressure on my hand by the end of the ride but I'm guessing that will get better with time and might be a fit issue. I planned on going down this county rode my wife and I had scoped out before and when I got there they had stripped the road to repave it. I tried it for about a quarter mile but turned back. Love the bike.

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    Hi! Jumped into this post too late to post, but I got a Sectuer Comp Compact about a month ago. Love the bike.

    What do you mean by "basic pedals"? The bike comes with platform pedals and cages...
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    I would ride then both and see which you personally like the best.

    Personally, I would go with the Trek. I loved my Pilot 5.9 which I recently sold to my brother when I upgraded to a new Madone. He, in turn, rode a Pilot 2.1 and loved it. He just sold it today. I have owned eight Treks (and five other bikes) in my adult life and love the Treks.

    The 105's are nice; aren't they on the 2.1. Your dealer should be able to get one for you, if only by trading out with another LBS. And don't worry about Trek "discontinuing" the Pilot; the "discontinued" the 5.9 only to come out with a Madone with the same geometry.

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    thanks jcpilot, that's great to hear. so many people have tol dme to look at the synapse or defy, but I want the upfront position. one guy told me a swapped stem would "do the trick" on a trek 2.1 but I dunno.

    the 105s are on the PIlot 2.1 but the 2.1 is not available anywhere near me - the LBSes agree that they can't find one in the distribution system. I would probably be fine with the Tiagara setup - inf act I like the idea of having a gear indicator which 105 is missing - but I hear the stock seat on all the Trek road bikes is sucky. in fact, I rented a 1.2 and hated hated hated the seat.

    as for discontinuing, the LBS manager said trek is cleaning up the line by getting rid of the oddly-named road bikes like PIlot. it'll be a configuration of the 2.1 probably next year. who knows...

    cbrwown thanks for sharing your experience. pretty sure I'm headed down that road, unless a 49cm Roubiaux (on sale) actually fits me though I doubt it....
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    Alas, all is lost.

    Specialized just responded to a question of mine, saying that the weight limit for carbon forks and seats is 240#. 240, that's it?

    On the one hand, I'm pissed because I really want the Secteur. otoh it means I'll spend $200 less on the Trek Pilot 2.0, which is rated up to 275#

    2klos/jcpilot/cbrown9064 - did you know about this weight limitation? are any of you over it but still riding OK? (I figure that the bike companies are conservative with these limits in order to avoid liability)
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    I picked up a Pilot 2.1 a little over a month ago. Love it so far. I was going to go with the standard 2.1, but the 61cm was backordered until late May. So he checked the Pilot 2.1, and lo and behold, Trek had two of them remaining in inventory, for the season, with no backorders available. He bought them both, one for me and one for inventory.

    The way the difference in riding position of the standard 2.1 vs. the Pilot was described to me, by this very knowledgeable, 3rd generation LBS guy, was that there is a range within which either bike can be adjusted. Then there is a range below that, in a more lowered, aggressive position, that only the 2.1 will go. Above it, there is a more upright range in which only the Pilot will go. After the fitting, the position that ended up being comfortable for me was mid-range for the Pilot, which would have been in the upper range of the standard 2.1.

    As far as Pilots, this shop should have that other 61 that they ordered with mine, and last time I was there, the 56 that I looked at in the store was still there. Not sure what else he's got. I know he's also got a few standard 2.1's as well. Bicycle Toy & Hobby in High Point, NC, if you want to look them up and either inquire directly, or have your local Trek dealer inquire about a dealer-to-dealer transfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtalinm View Post
    2klos/jcpilot/cbrown9064 - did you know about this weight limitation? are any of you over it but still riding OK? (I figure that the bike companies are conservative with these limits in order to avoid liability)
    I was not aware of the weight limit. However, I am currently at 208 so it is a non issue for me. I started at 235 though. That seems really low. The owner of the LBS I bought my bike at, probably weighs close to 250. He is also at least 6'2" and he rides a Roubaix, a full carbon version of the Secteur. I am sure he is aware of any weight limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtalinm View Post
    Alas, all is lost.

    Specialized just responded to a question of mine, saying that the weight limit for carbon forks and seats is 240#. 240, that's it?

    On the one hand, I'm pissed because I really want the Secteur. otoh it means I'll spend $200 less on the Trek Pilot 2.0, which is rated up to 275#

    2klos/jcpilot/cbrown9064 - did you know about this weight limitation? are any of you over it but still riding OK? (I figure that the bike companies are conservative with these limits in order to avoid liability)
    A carbon fork will support a heck of a lot more than 240lbs. Heck my Tricross has a carbon fork with mounts for racks. My guess is that it is a way for them to shimmy out of warrenty claims. Check the fine print, Trek recently changed weight limits on their bicycles (not just forks and wheels) to 300lbs. I wouldn't let it scare you.

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    the plot thickens ... got measured tonight and found out that the 49cm Roubaix on sale is just the right size for me. I've heard about blown spokes on that bike from Clydes, though. what to do? maybe I'll just stick with a Pilot.

    all the trek road bikes are 275#. my Trek Soho (commuter) is rated at 300#
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    Hi

    I did not know of the weight limit. I am currently at 240, so right at the limit. They (LBS) did not mention anything about a weight limit. 100 miles and everything is good so far...
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