Getting fed up...Any suggestions?
07-21-10, 08:05 AM
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I have always felt that trying to find the right saddle was so frustrating. no matter what you ask, what you research it wont do any good until you try it. There are those people out there that can basically ride any saddle without problems and then there are people like me where every saddle seems to have a problem with my anatomy.....to stiff, to much padding, to flat, to wide, nose is to wide....etc.
Last month the wife bought me the cobb V flow plus saddle that I had researched and I thought would be the answer to my issues. I have been trying this Cobb V flow plus saddle for the month and have about 350-400 miles on it. Still haven't given up on it yet but dangit I'm about to. I have played with damn near every position on it, had it looked at with my body position with my LBS to try and get some proffessional help instead of me just toying with it. Still, here we are 5 saddles tried and returned (about to be 6) in less than a year. I had good feelings about this Cobb saddle as it started out great but as of late I find myself wishing I was sitting on something different. Now that I am riding more aggressive, longer average rides and pushing myself to ride more throughout the week my bum is starting to hate me! 2 weeks ago it was front pain, yesterday it was my sit bones. Its like no matter which adjustment I make a part of my anotomy ends up in pain. I did a 70 mile ride yesterday and the last 20 miles hurt like mad. I layed in bed last night which was like 9 hours after getting home from my ride and felt like I was still sitting on my bike. I felt like my sit bones were bruised.
on a side note My riding buddy thinks I should stop using chamois cream and see what happens. (assos cream) This is in more regards to the abrassion like burns I have gotten lately under my sit bones and in the crease of my crotch and leg. Any thoughts on that?
I am going to give this saddle till the end of July and if it doesn't change for the better, it is going back and I am going to look at the Specialized phenom or the specialized Romain. I hear the Phenom is made to be more of a mtn bike saddle but road bikers seem to like it as well as it is shaped like the toupe but has a little bit more padding and doesn't have the plastic nose and tail pieces which are notorious for breaking. The Romain seems to be a little bit wider at the nose than the toupe but has a little bit of a curl up shape in the back. I had sat on a couple bikes that had a curl up rear and they feel comfortable right away. Maybe that will help give some support?
I tell ya, I love cycling. But I am starting to get very frustrated in the lack of comfort and abundance of pain I have felt through all these wrong saddles.
Any suggestions? Other than sell the bike and take up another sport
Last month the wife bought me the cobb V flow plus saddle that I had researched and I thought would be the answer to my issues. I have been trying this Cobb V flow plus saddle for the month and have about 350-400 miles on it. Still haven't given up on it yet but dangit I'm about to. I have played with damn near every position on it, had it looked at with my body position with my LBS to try and get some proffessional help instead of me just toying with it. Still, here we are 5 saddles tried and returned (about to be 6) in less than a year. I had good feelings about this Cobb saddle as it started out great but as of late I find myself wishing I was sitting on something different. Now that I am riding more aggressive, longer average rides and pushing myself to ride more throughout the week my bum is starting to hate me! 2 weeks ago it was front pain, yesterday it was my sit bones. Its like no matter which adjustment I make a part of my anotomy ends up in pain. I did a 70 mile ride yesterday and the last 20 miles hurt like mad. I layed in bed last night which was like 9 hours after getting home from my ride and felt like I was still sitting on my bike. I felt like my sit bones were bruised.
on a side note My riding buddy thinks I should stop using chamois cream and see what happens. (assos cream) This is in more regards to the abrassion like burns I have gotten lately under my sit bones and in the crease of my crotch and leg. Any thoughts on that?
I am going to give this saddle till the end of July and if it doesn't change for the better, it is going back and I am going to look at the Specialized phenom or the specialized Romain. I hear the Phenom is made to be more of a mtn bike saddle but road bikers seem to like it as well as it is shaped like the toupe but has a little bit more padding and doesn't have the plastic nose and tail pieces which are notorious for breaking. The Romain seems to be a little bit wider at the nose than the toupe but has a little bit of a curl up shape in the back. I had sat on a couple bikes that had a curl up rear and they feel comfortable right away. Maybe that will help give some support?
I tell ya, I love cycling. But I am starting to get very frustrated in the lack of comfort and abundance of pain I have felt through all these wrong saddles.
Any suggestions? Other than sell the bike and take up another sport
Craig
07-21-10, 08:28 AM
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so the terry fly saddles....Are these saddles geared toward performance or more towards touring or cruising? I am interested but it reminds be of the cobb saddle I am about to return.
this is the one I was interested in...(OF COURSE the one I like has to be the most expensive!)
https://www.ride-this.com/index.php/t...ource=googleps
this is the one I was interested in...(OF COURSE the one I like has to be the most expensive!)
https://www.ride-this.com/index.php/t...ource=googleps
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07-21-10, 08:35 AM
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I just bought the Terry Liberator and am optimistic it will be good. I am feeling some sit-bone pain after a long ride, but it sure beats the soft-tissue pain I was having on my old saddle. The Liberator is a touring saddle so designed for long rides, where you sit bent over at about a 45 degree angle. On Terry's website they have information about which saddle to choose for various endeavors.
The nice thing about Terry saddles is that they have a 30-day return policy, if you don't like it you can return it.
The nice thing about Terry saddles is that they have a 30-day return policy, if you don't like it you can return it.
07-21-10, 09:02 AM
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Actually i am not a clydesdale. Im very fit. 5'10" 175lbs. I take part in this part of the forum because i can generally get the same great knowledge and experience without the sarcasm and rudeness that is widely found in the road cycling section. I hope im not breaking any rules or affending anyone, i am just looking for some suggestions.
The terry fly material seems to be very similar to the cobb saddle i am about to return. "An injected memory foam that is firm but yet soft at the same time". I think the shape is fairly similar as well which concerns me since i have had the trouble with the cobb saddle. I am getting a refit done on saturday and will be asking their opinion since they will see how my body is sitting on my seat.
The terry fly material seems to be very similar to the cobb saddle i am about to return. "An injected memory foam that is firm but yet soft at the same time". I think the shape is fairly similar as well which concerns me since i have had the trouble with the cobb saddle. I am getting a refit done on saturday and will be asking their opinion since they will see how my body is sitting on my seat.
07-21-10, 09:47 AM
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What kind of riding are you doing? LD, racing, sport/club rides? How do you sit on the saddle/bike? On the drops, hoods, flats, aerobars?
Everything is either foam/gel/leather so material wise you are pretty limited, the only thing left to change is the shape/design of the saddle and there are differences in the Terry vs the Cobb saddle other than the "cut out".
Just because someone is a pro or works in a bike shop doesn't mean their word is gold and you shouldn't listen to your own body. At the end of the day they can make recommendations and suggestions and set your bike up how they think it should be but you ultimately have to learn what does and does not work for you. You also have to be honest with your fitter and yourself about how you ride and not how you want to ride in order for changes to have good affects.
Also if you learn to make simple adjustments out on the road, while you are riding, you can feel and learn how slight changes change the pressure on your hand, shoulders, arms, feet and butt. You can communicate your problems better to your fitter and that might allow the to recommend a better fit for you. But still, at the end of the day saddle choices are a very personal thing for each rider and it doesn't matter whether it is recommended or not, raced or not, carbon or not. It is about what allows you to ride pain free.
Everything is either foam/gel/leather so material wise you are pretty limited, the only thing left to change is the shape/design of the saddle and there are differences in the Terry vs the Cobb saddle other than the "cut out".
Just because someone is a pro or works in a bike shop doesn't mean their word is gold and you shouldn't listen to your own body. At the end of the day they can make recommendations and suggestions and set your bike up how they think it should be but you ultimately have to learn what does and does not work for you. You also have to be honest with your fitter and yourself about how you ride and not how you want to ride in order for changes to have good affects.
Also if you learn to make simple adjustments out on the road, while you are riding, you can feel and learn how slight changes change the pressure on your hand, shoulders, arms, feet and butt. You can communicate your problems better to your fitter and that might allow the to recommend a better fit for you. But still, at the end of the day saddle choices are a very personal thing for each rider and it doesn't matter whether it is recommended or not, raced or not, carbon or not. It is about what allows you to ride pain free.
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07-21-10, 09:53 AM
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this is the one I was interested in...(OF COURSE the one I like has to be the most expensive!)
https://www.ride-this.com/index.php/t...ource=googleps
https://www.ride-this.com/index.php/t...ource=googleps
07-21-10, 10:43 AM
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Actually i am not a clydesdale. Im very fit. 5'10" 175lbs. I take part in this part of the forum because i can generally get the same great knowledge and experience without the sarcasm and rudeness that is widely found in the road cycling section. I hope im not breaking any rules or affending anyone, i am just looking for some suggestions.
At 175 pounds you're probably OK using a carbon rail saddle, but I'd still check the mfr's spec. sheet. Some of those lightweight carbon and/or Ti items top out at 170-ish (I'm thinking of a couple pedals, in particular).
I still wouldn't look at a carbon rail saddle, but I've got 60 pounds and 8" of height difference on ya.
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07-21-10, 10:46 AM
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Canopus and sstorkel, both good points. As far as taking my lbs advice, i am just interested to see what options they would recommend for a saddle. I agree that ultimately you need to feel what your body is telling you.
Sstorkel, maybe your right about the carbon saddle. Maybe what i need is a touring type.
I guess im a little confused since i feel as though i am getting conflicting remarks accross the board. Some people say if you ride long distance you don't want much padding because it becomes more painful (pushing soft tissue up into your body). Others say having a more padded saddle is better for them and could be for me also. I think this is why i am not sure which type of saddle to look at anymore because i am being told 2 different things. I know its all personal preference but here has to be some type of bottom line rules towards each type of riding....no?
Sstorkel, maybe your right about the carbon saddle. Maybe what i need is a touring type.
I guess im a little confused since i feel as though i am getting conflicting remarks accross the board. Some people say if you ride long distance you don't want much padding because it becomes more painful (pushing soft tissue up into your body). Others say having a more padded saddle is better for them and could be for me also. I think this is why i am not sure which type of saddle to look at anymore because i am being told 2 different things. I know its all personal preference but here has to be some type of bottom line rules towards each type of riding....no?
07-21-10, 10:59 AM
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Canopus and sstorkel, both good points. As far as taking my lbs advice, i am just interested to see what options they would recommend for a saddle. I agree that ultimately you need to feel what your body is telling you.
Sstorkel, maybe your right about the carbon saddle. Maybe what i need is a touring type.
I guess im a little confused since i feel as though i am getting conflicting remarks accross the board. Some people say if you ride long distance you don't want much padding because it becomes more painful (pushing soft tissue up into your body). Others say having a more padded saddle is better for them and could be for me also. I think this is why i am not sure which type of saddle to look at anymore because i am being told 2 different things. I know its all personal preference but here has to be some type of bottom line rules towards each type of riding....no?
Sstorkel, maybe your right about the carbon saddle. Maybe what i need is a touring type.
I guess im a little confused since i feel as though i am getting conflicting remarks accross the board. Some people say if you ride long distance you don't want much padding because it becomes more painful (pushing soft tissue up into your body). Others say having a more padded saddle is better for them and could be for me also. I think this is why i am not sure which type of saddle to look at anymore because i am being told 2 different things. I know its all personal preference but here has to be some type of bottom line rules towards each type of riding....no?
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07-21-10, 12:47 PM
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@Aqua. Just leave it.
These people will spend thousands on the latest technology butt can't get their vanity out of the a$$ ointment long enough to try different technology. It may seem strange, but it's no different than other areas of culture where personal ego becomes indistinguishable from the identity of the group. The sad thing is that most kids are brought up to believe that individuality is good and that peer pressure is bad. Yet many of them grow up to practice the exact opposite, shunning those who don't conform.
This is not like the Pride Parade. The haters will never stop. It's a lost cause. The only reason to keep offering up diversity is that those on the sidelines may learn something new and check out the options for themselves. And that's only if the they aren't bullied into toeing the line.
:)ensen.
These people will spend thousands on the latest technology butt can't get their vanity out of the a$$ ointment long enough to try different technology. It may seem strange, but it's no different than other areas of culture where personal ego becomes indistinguishable from the identity of the group. The sad thing is that most kids are brought up to believe that individuality is good and that peer pressure is bad. Yet many of them grow up to practice the exact opposite, shunning those who don't conform.
This is not like the Pride Parade. The haters will never stop. It's a lost cause. The only reason to keep offering up diversity is that those on the sidelines may learn something new and check out the options for themselves. And that's only if the they aren't bullied into toeing the line.
:)ensen.
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I know, how dare people actually have a personal preference about how their equipment looks. 
OP,
I tend to agree with the others saying that you seem to be trying several variants of ass hatchets. I recommend checking out a Specialized or Bontrager(Trek) dealer in your area, and at least get fitted for the proper size you need. I rode for quite awhile on saddles that at the end of the day were simply too narrow, and if you aren't sitting on your sit bones, you are sitting on things you don't want to be sitting on. Once you know what proper width saddle you need, you can at least proceed from there.
OP,
I tend to agree with the others saying that you seem to be trying several variants of ass hatchets. I recommend checking out a Specialized or Bontrager(Trek) dealer in your area, and at least get fitted for the proper size you need. I rode for quite awhile on saddles that at the end of the day were simply too narrow, and if you aren't sitting on your sit bones, you are sitting on things you don't want to be sitting on. Once you know what proper width saddle you need, you can at least proceed from there.
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I'd also recommend giving the Hobson Easy Seat a try. It solved the saddle problem for me. Takes a little getting used to, since it's a hornless seat, but I found it made rides of longer than an hour or so bearable for me. The basic one is inexpensive enough that it's worth a try, and it if works, you can always move up to their fancier models.
Pride Parade... I guess if the saddle fits
07-21-10, 04:33 PM
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You didn't like the Specialized Toupe race saddle, but you might consider the Avatar or Alias.
You didn't like the WTB Silverado race saddle, but you might consider the Rocket V, Laser V, or Pure V.
Not sure which Selle SMP saddle you tried. If you want to give them another go the Pro, Lite 209, and Glider are from the more padded/wider end of the spectrum.
In the Terry line, I'd look at the standard Fly. Or maybe one of the Liberator models? The website hype sounds good, though I'll admit I haven't seen them in person...
I guess im a little confused since i feel as though i am getting conflicting remarks accross the board. Some people say if you ride long distance you don't want much padding because it becomes more painful (pushing soft tissue up into your body). Others say having a more padded saddle is better for them and could be for me also. I think this is why i am not sure which type of saddle to look at anymore because i am being told 2 different things.
07-21-10, 07:06 PM
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I have no problem with other people enjoying recumbants. I however find them uncomfortable and don't enjoy them even as a stationary bike in the gym for exercise. I guess my pedal stroke is too messed up for that.
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I'd also recommend giving the Hobson Easy Seat a try. It solved the saddle problem for me. Takes a little getting used to, since it's a hornless seat, but I found it made rides of longer than an hour or so bearable for me. The basic one is inexpensive enough that it's worth a try, and it if works, you can always move up to their fancier models.
For the OP, I also went through the impossible saddle search several years ago. The best advice I had found came from Sheldon Brown's site to avoid the gel, foam, and soft material saddles for horned saddles. Consider sitting on a hard piano bench compared to sitting on a pillow on that bench. Sitting on a pillow may feel soft at first, but that pillow touches things that don't need to be touched, and can cause trouble after a while of road vibrations and hits even from the softest contact. After trying a good number of similar high end saddles at a very forgiving LBS, I ended up with a Serfas Cosmos, which would hardly be in the list of high end fancy saddles. Just wide enough for the sit bones, everything else fit perfectly, and it flexes to absorb shock without causing you to sink into the padding or hit the saddle any harder.
Hope this helps.
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07-22-10, 09:57 AM
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VO Model 5
I recently put a VO Model 5 saddle on an old (but very nice) touring bike. Started out hard and unforgiving and quite uncomfortable... but it's gradually breaking in to be a very comfortable saddle indeed. I only have about 300 miles on it so far so I can't say *how* comfortable it'll end up being, but I suspect it'll be the best saddle I've ever owned.
https://www.velo-orange.com/vosamo5spto.html
It'd look awfully odd on a carbon fiber racing bike though. Maybe even "recumbent" odd.
Fortunately I long ago had my ego surgically removed, so I don't mind looking a bit odd.
https://www.velo-orange.com/vosamo5spto.html
It'd look awfully odd on a carbon fiber racing bike though. Maybe even "recumbent" odd.
Fortunately I long ago had my ego surgically removed, so I don't mind looking a bit odd.
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I like my Selle Royal Lookin. The Selle Line up has a variety of widths. I see that you tried the SMP, maybe something wider, try mixing things up?
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07-22-10, 12:53 PM
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Quit monkeying around and get a nice comfortable LWB recumbent. Throw away those silly expensive diapers, the boxing gloves, let your buns heal (they'll heal automatically on a bent anyway no matter what you do) and go for it! Guaranteed, you'll love it and will NEVER go back to an upright, except maybe for mountain biking the only exception.
Both bents and uprights have theri own unique advantages and disadvantages, but the comfort of recombents beats any perceived advantage of uprights. Heck, who wins the RAAM every year while pulling away from the uprights in the mountains?? Hills? No problem. And what kind of bike is specifically outlawed from competition BECAUSE they beat the uprights?
But yes, for serious off road/mountain biking (99% of so called mountain bikers never go off pavement anyway) a true high quality mountain bike will beat a recumbent. But in every other case assuming equal 'engines' its a no brainer.
Both bents and uprights have theri own unique advantages and disadvantages, but the comfort of recombents beats any perceived advantage of uprights. Heck, who wins the RAAM every year while pulling away from the uprights in the mountains?? Hills? No problem. And what kind of bike is specifically outlawed from competition BECAUSE they beat the uprights?
But yes, for serious off road/mountain biking (99% of so called mountain bikers never go off pavement anyway) a true high quality mountain bike will beat a recumbent. But in every other case assuming equal 'engines' its a no brainer.
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my seat goes from the top of my thighs, to the top of my shoulder blades, its the most comfortable thing ever !
it fits my bike so well, i just lie back and relax if i want to...i love my recumbent and would never go back !
it fits my bike so well, i just lie back and relax if i want to...i love my recumbent and would never go back !
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I think i will be tying the fizik aliante next. I like the shape as i haven't tried anything similar. I felt it and it has more padding than the selle italia saddles i tried but less than this cobb. Hopefully this will line up that "middle" ground of just enough padding but not to much area.
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Many people fall into this problem, when you use your thumb and push into a saddle, most people's thinking is softer is better.. Not the case at all.. Soft or gel saddles many times will cause you more discomfort than riding a piece of plastic..
Try to find a firm saddle with a slight amount of padding and you will be fine.. A couple of other great options are popular saddle that have been around since the 80's. The Selle Italia Turbo and the San Marco Rolls saddle.. The turbo has been re-issued in the last couple of years and Rolls has been around for 30 years.. Another fine choice is the San Marco Regal, a little firmer feel than the Rolls but many pro riders today still use this saddle..
https://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/co...2_2509crx.aspx
https://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/co...1_2509crx.aspx
https://www.excelsports.com/main.asp?...jor=1&minor=18
Try to find a firm saddle with a slight amount of padding and you will be fine.. A couple of other great options are popular saddle that have been around since the 80's. The Selle Italia Turbo and the San Marco Rolls saddle.. The turbo has been re-issued in the last couple of years and Rolls has been around for 30 years.. Another fine choice is the San Marco Regal, a little firmer feel than the Rolls but many pro riders today still use this saddle..
https://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/co...2_2509crx.aspx
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Maybe someone can answer this for me then...
This is the mentallity I used when I first bought my bike. I figured...if they pro's use it then if I want to take this seriously than I should do as they do. I did that and holy shat, my ass hurt! made riding not fun. So then People told me..."you not a pro so dont feel like you have to ride those kind of saddles" So then I was under the impression of, "well they are right, I will get something that sounds a little more comfortable then." well this is where I got confused. I hear several different things which makes my head spin and not know which direction to look most of the time...
-padding = bad because it shoves material into places it shouldnt.
-padding = bad because it shoves soft tissue into your bones.
-Hard/pro saddles = bad because I'm not a pro and therfor I dont need to ride that type of saddle
-Less padding = more comfort
-has NOTHING to do with padding, more to do with shape
-has to be a littl ebit of padding mixed with the right amount of shape
-has nothing to do with shape, need padding to be comfortable
THIS IS WHY I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!! Its like everytime I hear something, I read something else that condradicts what I was just told/read.
but many pro riders today still use this saddle..
-padding = bad because it shoves material into places it shouldnt.
-padding = bad because it shoves soft tissue into your bones.
-Hard/pro saddles = bad because I'm not a pro and therfor I dont need to ride that type of saddle
-Less padding = more comfort
-has NOTHING to do with padding, more to do with shape
-has to be a littl ebit of padding mixed with the right amount of shape
-has nothing to do with shape, need padding to be comfortable
THIS IS WHY I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!! Its like everytime I hear something, I read something else that condradicts what I was just told/read.