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Old 07-20-10, 06:18 PM   #1
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Little milestone for me. . . and a question about rear rack panniers and fenders

Just finished my first 15 mile ride. Took 1hr and 10 minutes - had to stop once for about 3 minutes at the top of a long incline - (could not catch my breath).

If you've read any of my threads - you'll know that is alot as my town is nothing but up and down hills. I've been trying to pedal down hills too instead of relaxing. Hit my highest speed ever 28 mph - lol a little scary at my size. Also weighed my self for the first time today. 3 weeks ago when I started - 330lbs - I weighed 321 now. Wow!

Also, thanks to whoever suggested that some of my leg recovery problems (spaghetti legs for a long time) might have been due to magnesium. I started taking a good multivitamin with lots of magnesium and other stuff and eating a little better - and voila no more spaghetti legs. I swear I hate hills with a passion though. I'd love to live somewhere flat.

I want to add fenders and a rear rack to my bike. Does one need to be installed before the other? I'm having to do little upgrades a piece at a time if you know what I mean. I really think I need the rack first but if I'm going to have to remove the rack to install the fenders lmk. I really have no idea on this.

I think I'd like to try bar ends. I have a flat bar commuter fuji crosstown 4.0. The grips are designed such that they really won't slide toward the middle anymore - but a cap comes out the ends that allows access to the 'inside' of the bar. Most bar ends I'm finding clamp on the exterior of the bar. Do any clamp to the 'interior' of the bar - that looks like what I need. I need something to vary my hand position.
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Old 07-20-10, 06:38 PM   #2
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Barends? I installed them on my MTB. Why not just loosen the clamps for the brakes shifters etc, slide them towards the center then install the bar ends?

BTW, they add more postions but a big plus is they make for better leverage while climbing IMO.
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Old 07-20-10, 06:46 PM   #3
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I agree with Mr. Beanz, if you loosen the shifters and brakes you should be able to slide them, and the grips inward enough to get the bar ends on.

As for the fenders and rack...I had the fenders installed first (they came with the bike) and added the rack and trunk/panniers later. I doubt that it makes a whole lot of difference, though...I don't think that I'd have to take off the rack to remove the rear fender.
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Just finished my first 15 mile ride. Took 1hr and 10 minutes - had to stop once for about 3 minutes at the top of a long incline - (could not catch my breath).

If you've read any of my threads - you'll know that is alot as my town is nothing but up and down hills. I've been trying to pedal down hills too instead of relaxing. Hit my highest speed ever 28 mph - lol a little scary at my size. Also weighed my self for the first time today. 3 weeks ago when I started - 330lbs - I weighed 321 now. Wow!

Also, thanks to whoever suggested that some of my leg recovery problems (spaghetti legs for a long time) might have been due to magnesium. I started taking a good multivitamin with lots of magnesium and other stuff and eating a little better - and voila no more spaghetti legs. I swear I hate hills with a passion though. I'd love to live somewhere flat.

I want to add fenders and a rear rack to my bike. Does one need to be installed before the other? I'm having to do little upgrades a piece at a time if you know what I mean. I really think I need the rack first but if I'm going to have to remove the rack to install the fenders lmk. I really have no idea on this.

I think I'd like to try bar ends. I have a flat bar commuter fuji crosstown 4.0. The grips are designed such that they really won't slide toward the middle anymore - but a cap comes out the ends that allows access to the 'inside' of the bar. Most bar ends I'm finding clamp on the exterior of the bar. Do any clamp to the 'interior' of the bar - that looks like what I need. I need something to vary my hand position.
As to rack first or fenders first it really depends there are different kinds of fenders, my mountain bike has full fenders, my wifes bike has clip on fenders, and full fenders generally need to go on before a rack, the clip on, can probably be fed underneath, the key issue though is that while the fenders go on first, if there is only one attachment point at the back the rack goes on the inside, because the fender mounts are thinner and can be more easily bent out, however you may need longer screws to attach both at one mount point.

As for the bar ends, you remove the end caps, slide the grips in enough to attach the bar ends, then see if you can reattach the caps, you can also cut the grips a little shorter if needed, cut the end that meets up with the bar end, if the grip and end cap are one piece, then you cut the end off and get some caps to finish off the ends of the bars, some bar ends come with caps, some don't. Bar ends can fit anywhere around the circumference of the bar, if you want them straight up like the magazine photos, you want the curved ones, if you put them in another position you want straight ones.
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I don't know much about different kind of racks but I do know that it took me all of 10 minutes to install my rack while I was at work. Most of that time was spend assembling the rack. If I wanted to add a fender it would take me all of 3 allen-head screws to remove and I could do it in two minutes. So, if you want the rack first then get it first.
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Some hills are awful but you will feel better if you stop at the top, spit, then say "THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE!"
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Nice job!!!!
got to be rough with the humidity which i'm assuming is pretty bad down there. Funny think is i always complain that it's too flat by me (New Jersey Shore), there are hills but i'd have to drive a good way to get to them. I'm bad at climbing but i love it, wouldn't want to trade you though, it's humid enough here already for my taste.
Again though nice job on the ride. No milestone is little, can't make it to a hundred mile ride without working your way up first so everything in between is as important.
As far as the rack goes you shouldn't need anything special. I have a rack and a clip on rear fender, i happen to have them on separate bikes though, it looks like they would "work" together, but not function at the same time. Sounds weird. What i mean is i could leave the rack on with the fender but i wouldn't be able to put the bag or anything really on the rack without it interfering with the fender. If however i kept my fender and got a quick release rack that goes onto the seat post that looks like it would work but that would just be a rack, i don't see one of those with panniers as well. The rack i have is a blackburn that i got with one of my bikes (bought secondhand, it's a "touring" bike") the fender is on my rainy day fixed gear (it's the only bike i really ride in the rain so it wouldn't make sense to have the fender on the other bikes, just like it wouldn't make sense really to have the rack on my rainy day bike.) hope that helps a little bit.
As far as bar-ends sadly i can't help you there. if you don't like the idea of clamping to the outside though for whatever reason maybe look into a set of bullhorns?
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I think it's easier to install the fenders first and then the rack. Having said that, my bike has a rack right now, but no fenders yet (but I definitely plan to get fenders). I don't think it's a huge deal to remove the rack to install the fenders and then reinstall it. Also, I disagree with smyth that the fenders and rack won't work together, my husband's bike has both and it's no problem at all.

For bar ends, it *does* look like the grips can't be moved, but I suspect that they can. I had the same feeling with my bike. But you can unscrew the shifters and brakes and slide them in a bit on the bar, and then I just had to wiggle with persistence on the grips to get them to slide in so I could install the bar ends. I removed the plug in the end of my bars before doing this, I don't know if that's actually necessary or not.
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I want to add fenders and a rear rack to my bike. Does one need to be installed before the other? I'm having to do little upgrades a piece at a time if you know what I mean. I really think I need the rack first but if I'm going to have to remove the rack to install the fenders lmk. I really have no idea on this.

I think I'd like to try bar ends. I have a flat bar commuter fuji crosstown 4.0. The grips are designed such that they really won't slide toward the middle anymore - but a cap comes out the ends that allows access to the 'inside' of the bar. Most bar ends I'm finding clamp on the exterior of the bar. Do any clamp to the 'interior' of the bar - that looks like what I need. I need something to vary my hand position.
Rack first, then fenders. Try to find a rack with fender mounts if your bike doesn't have dual braze-ons. Otherwise you'll use the bolt at the dropout to trap the fender stay but the fender stay should be outside the rack. This makes removal of the fender much easier and puts the weight of the rack- and its load -as close to the frame as you can get.

If you want to put barends on your bike you'll have to move the grips inward along with the shifters and brake levers. You can just cut the old grips off and install new ones or you can try to get the grips off with water by injecting water under the grips using a small screwdriver to lift the edge of the grip and something to inject the water under the grip. Compressed air...if you have access to it...can be used too. I use a sharp pokey thing to inject water through the grip but I won't tell you what it is

Once the water is under the grip, the grip should rotate. I'd suggest removing it completely, spraying the inside with Aquanet hairspray (it keeps the grips from rotating and dries faster than the water) and then reinstalling it so that the grips, shifters and barends play nice together. It's much more simple than it sounds.
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I think it's easier to install the fenders first and then the rack. Having said that, my bike has a rack right now, but no fenders yet (but I definitely plan to get fenders). I don't think it's a huge deal to remove the rack to install the fenders and then reinstall it. Also, I disagree with smyth that the fenders and rack won't work together, my husband's bike has both and it's no problem at all.

For bar ends, it *does* look like the grips can't be moved, but I suspect that they can. I had the same feeling with my bike. But you can unscrew the shifters and brakes and slide them in a bit on the bar, and then I just had to wiggle with persistence on the grips to get them to slide in so I could install the bar ends. I removed the plug in the end of my bars before doing this, I don't know if that's actually necessary or not.

sorry if i was unclear, i didn't mean that fenders and a rack won't work together, i mean that my specific rear fender and my specific rear rack won't work well together. Both can be installed at the same time but if i put something on the rack it will be occupying the same space that the clip-on fender wants to occupy.
So yeah, in general full fenders and a rack aren't an issue, at least i've never seen any that were, but a rear rack with my specific clip-on fender wouldn't wouldn't be really useful.
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sorry if i was unclear, i didn't mean that fenders and a rack won't work together, i mean that my specific rear fender and my specific rear rack won't work well together. Both can be installed at the same time but if i put something on the rack it will be occupying the same space that the clip-on fender wants to occupy.
So yeah, in general full fenders and a rack aren't an issue, at least i've never seen any that were, but a rear rack with my specific clip-on fender wouldn't wouldn't be really useful.
The key with the fender depends on the type, there are clip on fenders that attach to the seat post, if this is what you have, pull it off, zip tie it to the bottom of the rack and be happy, or get a rack that has a solid panel on the bottom, and toss the fender, those type are not that useful anyway, they prevent the skunk stripe, but don't protect the drive train any. There are also what I call semi-clip on fenders, we have one on my wifes bike, it clips onto the seat tube, and then has a clamp that attaches to the brake bridge. The clamp could be moved back slightly then attached to the rack using a P-clip pushing the fender down slightly since there is a 10-12cm gap between the rack and the wheel. Full fenders and racks seem to go together like strawberries and chocolate
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