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    Posted this on another message, but is more approriate here...

    I just had right TKN 10 weeks ago - what a difference it's made! I'm very heavy and figured that would affect my recovery time and worried whether the new knee would work. WRONG! I was in the hospital 3 days, walked with a walker for two weeks. Walked with a cane for about two days.

    At five weeks, was on the golf course playing two or three holes. At 8 weeks, playing 18 holes of golf (but tired afterward).

    BIKING... couldn't wait to get on the bike again - it had been over three years since I could bike. The biggest issue starting to ride again was that I couldn't make an entire pedal revolution. It took several tries on a stationary bike over the course of a week or so to finally get that range of motion.

    So... here it is 10 weeks today after TKR - I'm riding 10 miles at a time. The knee is stiff and hurts a bit when I start out, but after a mile or so, the (minor) pain goes away. What a JOY to be back on the bike. I'm slow... because I haven't used the quads for three years, but that will improve with time.

    As others have said, I don't know why I waited so long to have it done. With the pain meds you are given, there isn't a LOT of pain. PT is a PITA, however, is necessary. I'm a great believer that having a positive attitude and willingness to work hard at PT is the reason my TKN has been so successfull.

    Looking forward to my first 20 mile ride in three years .... in about two weeks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Markets View Post
    whether it does or does not, the destruction it wreaks in the interim should be massive in nature.
    Not to get political on this, but the United States is the only industrialized nation that does not have socialized medicine, Obamacare is not socialized medicine, because the medical insurance companies are still running it, just in some cases the government is paying for it. There are still a huge number of people who are too rich for the government plan and too poor to pay the premiums themselves.

    Canada got the idea in the 1940's and had it in place nation wide by the mid 1960's. The key was the approach, the Canadian approach was to pick a province that wanted to implement government health insurance and had a relatively small population. The Province of Saskatchewan was the chosen target, the feds kicked in some money, but the province waged the war. A doctors strike and several federal court cases later, Saskatchewan had it's medical insurance. Because the war was waged in federal court, when other provinces implemented their own plans, the medical industry didn't even bother to file, because the Saskatchewan cases would be used as precedence. Private medical insurance didn't die though, because the government plans do not cover everything, insurance companies built new plans to cover what the government plan didn't, they are still making billions in profit too.....

    So Obama should have picked a small out of the way state, and duke it out there with the insurance companies, in federal court. Once that state has their medical insurance, partly paid for with federal money, other states can add their own plans over time, until you have national coverage. Like Canada if your from Delaware and get sick in North Dakota, there would be a cross over plan, where Delaware pays for what Delaware would at Delaware rates. If you want better coverage then that, you can buy it.

    Socialized medical insurance though, isn't perfect, it's bares a huge cost on the system, here in Ontario, it's the largest cost on the Provinces books, but because there is no private company operating it that needs to make a profit, it's cheaper overall the Obamacare would be.

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    I'm retired Navy, and the insurance I use has been very good so far. Not the best. But I know people paying big money and getting lots less...

    On the other hand... Its been a whole week again. Wednesday's DR appointment went well. No concern on the doc's part over the swelling. My knee is still HUGE (in my opinion). We had snow the previous weekend, and the night before my doc appt... So I've been very careful out and about.

    I've been discharged from both home health nurses and therapy. Today, I start outpatient therapy. And might even get to ride a stationary bike (I hope it has short crank arms!!!). I took my ace wrap off for a bit yesterday, it was bunched up behind the knee and was itching something fierce... BIG mistake... I left it off for about an hour and my knee FELT like it had swollen some more. It also felt,stiffer...

    My daughter came home last Tuesday and kicked my butt over the Holiday. My son and his wife came home too, and took care of things I couldn't. He was more content to let me sit and do nothing... The daughter on the other hand, made sure I was on the CPM machine, which for the last few days now, I have maxed out at 115*, the limit of the machine... A geek friend of mine reminded me that CP/M would never replace DOS... But thats a story for late...

    Kids all left yesterday, into a snowstorm. All made it back safely. But, since my neighbor went to work, I have to try and dig out my truck enough to get to my therapy... I'm not going to be happy I'm sure...

    More later!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Markets View Post
    Mr. Markets! Thank you for that post. I find it inspirational. While I had no desire to "blog" my experience,I'm pleased to post the highlights and lows...

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    What a month I've had... My first day of outpatient therapy went quite well. Painful, but I survived. THe next day, 11/30/2010, my wife was admitted to the hospital for a variety of issues. Shortened story, she was moved to a rehab center 12/16 and is still there. And we expect her to be home this coming week. I returned to work on 12/13. But through all the adversity, and many many hours sitting in uncomfortable hospital chairs, I kept all my therapy appointments. I've managed to make improvements every visit, even if I can only manage 1* over the previous visit. Last week I managed to hit 128*, and the therapist pulled me to 133*. Last visit, I hit 130* on my own, but had been so much more swollen than in the previous days. Also, that day I was introduced to some quad killing excercises. I've had a few severe muscle spasms, and a couple close calls with cramps. And I have therapy again tomorrow. Not looking forward to it.

    I used a walker for the first couple days at home, but the walker was difficult to use about the house. I switched to a cane and still use it. As much as a mental crutch especially when its slippery. I still ice daily, thank goodness for the little circulator machine.

    Saw the doctor again last week. He is happy with my progress. In contrast, another patient that had a knee replaced the same day I did, is only at 90*. He also had his other knee replaced last May, and is only at 115*. And will be getting both knees "manipulated"... I don't like the sound of that, and I have worked very hard to make sure I'm not "THAT guy"... I still have more swelling than I like, but know its "normal", as well as the stiffness from that swelling. Neither are going away anytime soon.

    Therapist thinks I can hop on the bike this week. I hope. And, I REALLY don't need another month like this one.

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    SO Monday at therapy, I managed to hit 135*... On my own. I was absolutely GIDDY! I would have been happy with ANY improvement at all. But another 5*? My therapist is an incredible guy. He pushes me as far as I'll let him. All I've asked of him is not to hurt me, or, not let me hurt myself. I know I'll not see big improvements like 5* in a week again. My other knee gets to 144 without any trouble, I want to try to match it. I don't bend that far on a normal basis, so I don't expect to be able to do that too many times, but it sure would be nice to match that with the replacement. Yes, I KNOW I'm ahead of where most people are post surgery with therapy. I'm motivated!

    I hit the pool last night, thinking 4 laps would be good. I did 10. Slow, paddling more than swimming. But it felt good regardless. Yes, I'm sore today. But not bad. And more therapy today.

    I've managed to lose some weight even during the holidays. But the last two evenings, I've eaten more than I should have. At least, it was good food, not junk food or candy. My daughter is able to cook healthy food, I just didn't watch my portions like I should have. She goes back to college in a couple weeks... And then I'm cooking. My lady friend thats a therapist has some ideas for me, and she has been following them for some time and she is really doing great.

    I'm at a point right NOW, that I have some decisions to make. And I have so many things I want to do. I need to set down a schedule. With clearcut goals. I have a couple friends wanting to get me hiking come spring. So I need the treadmill. And the wife of a friend would love to run with me (I used to run and she knows it, but that was a lifetime ago...). Because I want to bike, I have another friend buying his first bike in years to ride with me. And, there are a couple MTB type rides I'd love to do maybe even as early as this spring. Nothing horribly difficult. But swimming last night felt really good, so I need to mix that in somewhere too.

    Of course, my limitation is still the knee recovery and healing. And the fact its WINTER.... Thougts ideas or advice is appreciated...

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    Congratulations zjrog, I had my first one in 2003, where I was bone on bone, with nice grooves. My second one happened in October of this year. My surgeon told me something up front on the first one that has helped me put it in perspective. He said I would go through three stages: 1. It would hurt so bad I would curse myself for having it done. 2. Pain level would be about the same. 3. It would feel so good that I would curse myself for not having it done sooner. He was 100% correct! I did not wait on the second knee, as soon as the Dr. told me I was ready, I pulled the trigger. Pay attention to your PT and you will do great.

    As for those gentlemen who are complaining about the Healthcare program that was recently passed, and comparing it to socialized medicine. My surgery cost in excess of 40K, I have a good insurance plan and only ended up paying 3K out of pocket. There are currently 50 million people (Many working full time) in this country who can not afford insurance. If I was one of those, I would currently be homeless because without the knee surgeries, I would no longer be able to walk and that would keep me from holding down a job. I am not sure what the answer is, but I know that the free market has failed us, and something else needs to be tried.

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    I was prepared for the pain levels, I wasn't prepared for the extended swelling. Which has me impatient for that swelling to go away. As far as wanting to cuss at someone, I didn't really have that. My Home health therapist is a good friend and she really got me moving. I did have one bad day where I went backwards, but that was during the Home Health period. No matter the weather or how I feel, I haven't missed a PT appointment. Well, I did miss an evening appointment, but I called and rescheduled for the very next morning. It was snowing yesterday and they had a couple cancellations. But I slid into a stop in their parking lot (poor receptionist thought I was coming through the door). I almost hit 136*. But after Monday I would have been happy with anything over 132. At this point my therapist is sure I could get where I want, if there wasn't so much swelling. So we are now doing more strength and balance work. Since I have inner ear issues, fine balance issues like standing on one foot and turning my head side to side isn't very easy.

    With all that has happened to this point, when I saw the doc last week we took xrays of the other knee. Other than some minor arthritis behind the kneecap, it appears to be a normal 47 year old knee... But if in a few years it needs replacing, I won't hesitate. I hope I don't have to. But if I do, I'll be OK with it.

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    Glad things are going well for you. I have a relative who had a double knee replacement recently. He developed an infection on both ends of one replacement. Thay had to pull it out, put in a plastic spacer, and keep him in the hospital for 6 weeks on IV antibiotics. No fun. That's a very unusual situation, but the statistics don't make him feel any better. There are a lot of people who wouldn't be able to walk without knee and hip replacements. I'm glad I get to ride my bike instead of a mobility scooter or wheelchair.

    Keep getting better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottStr View Post
    Glad things are going well for you. I have a relative who had a double knee replacement recently. He developed an infection on both ends of one replacement. Thay had to pull it out, put in a plastic spacer, and keep him in the hospital for 6 weeks on IV antibiotics. No fun. That's a very unusual situation, but the statistics don't make him feel any better. There are a lot of people who wouldn't be able to walk without knee and hip replacements. I'm glad I get to ride my bike instead of a mobility scooter or wheelchair.

    Keep getting better.
    So how is the relative now? Thats about as traumatic an experience I've heard though. For knee replacements...

    As for getting better... I'm working it brotherman, I'm working it. As my therapist put it last night, I might come in and gripe and grumble. But I do all that is asked of me. And always ask, Whats next?...

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    He's still in the hospital right now. His original surgery was about the same time as yours. At least they found it and are getting it taken care of. Having gone through 2 months of IV antibiotics and a nuclear bone scan to make sure the bones in my spine weren't infected, I understand how scary this stuff is.

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    Time for an update??
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    Time for an update??
    Yours or the OP's? :-)

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    First off, my wife was discharged from the rehab center on the 30th. She has made tremendous improvement. But still has a long road ahead. More home therapy and then the gym. When she is ready.

    OK, I want to reach 144* before I'm done with therapy. Not sure I'll get there and I'm not real worried about it for now. Last night, in therapy, I was ALMOST 138*. Therapist is convinced I can hit 140. But, with the swelling I have he thinks that will be my limit for now. I've been to the pool a couple more times. But the gym is really packed with the Resolutionists... I'm trying to decide which ones I won't see there again. But I digress.

    Friends are a wonderful thing. And, sometimes not so good. One was searching for a bike of his own to ride with me. I have a weapon for everything he might have bought. I have a hybrid/comfort bike. I have a roadbike and my MTB. So, he is buying a MTB. But he might be deceiving himself. He thinks he will do a couple centuries before fall. I need to scale him back before he gets discouraged. Another friend is a former MTB racer, has an expensive bike that has been sitting too long. He has agreed to be my "form" coach. First friend will ride when he can based on weather and school schedule. The racer, will be ready to ride with me in March. Both also want me hiking.

    I have my indoor trainer sitting in the living room. I have the MTB chucked into it. But its not the best bike for the trainer and was really tough to get and keep rolling. Even with a street tire not a knobby. The doors to my shed are frozen shut. Which is where the hybrid bike is. The choice here is to also make it easy for my wife to ride if she is ready soon. So the hybrid wins this round. Hope I can get into the shed soon.

    So my schedule. Subject to change without notice, your results may vary, and some settling may occur during shipping... Swimming 3 nights a week. Treadmill 2 days. And the indoor trainer daily. I will NOT be upset if I miss 1 event a week. But only 1.

    Cycling goals... I live close to the fabled Pony Express Trail here in Utah. By the end of this year, I want to ride 100 miles of it. Not all at once, but head out in the Jeep, camp and ride. There is also a section of the old Lincoln Highway out here, I want to ride a good chunk of the unpaved section. There are plenty other rides to do, but these are prime.

    Hiking. There are some lakes in the mountains west of where I live. I want to see these lakes this summer. I don't care what the altitude is. And one of my friends is real familiar with the area.

    Running will have to wait for some weight to come off. I might run some on the treadmill, but it will be a slow jog at best.

    Weight training. I'm already strong, I just need to tone some. I don't need to bulk. Will mix this in as I start feeling better. I have a sixpack still, its just hard to find under the keg I'm wearing...

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    Back to the pool this evening. 12 laps of the pool. Fed up, too many teens preening. Spent a few minutes in the steam room for my sinus' and then a couple minutes chatting in the sauna. Icing the knee before I go to bed. Its a good thing my favorite burger joint is 55 miles away, or I'd be having a double Elk burger right now... I settled for a 'nana.

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    So, therapy last night was more about balamce and strength. I got to 138*, which I KNOW is well beyond what my doc is happy with. My friend the therapist told me at teh beginning of this, that whatever my good knee can do, I should be able to match with the new knee. What SHE hadn't counted on, was me getting to 144* with that good knee, and my determination to match it. Last night my current therapist actually made me stop, as he was certain I might hurt myself. So I might really be at a limit I can't work through yet, because of the swelling. I can live with that for now. As I have plenty of other things to get moving forward with. Balance work with therapy isn't much fun as I do have a serious inner ear issue. So the strength work is all I need now.

    In the pool last night, 8 laps and I was DEAD! Tweenies and teens were all but non-existant. Spent time in the steam room and the jacuzzi. And called it a night.

    My therapist and my friend therapist are both VERY pleased with my progress. I am as well. Now its bike time.

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    SO Peter asked for updates...

    The other day at work was about my busiest yet. I was finally allowed out of the office. I had a small slip on ice but managed to keep my balance. I work outdoors, and can easily cover a couple hundred miles between work sites. So time in the truck was no fun and getting in and out of my equipment isn't wither since the side opening is little more than a hatch. I was tired and sore by the time I got home, and fell asleep in my recliner. Wife nor daughter woke me up till almost 9PM. I had planned to go to the gym. Oh well.

    I got the shed open yesterday. The hybrid was happy to see me. But not so happy to be pushed through the snow. I'll clean it and get it on the trainer this morning. The added benefit is it has a computer where I never put one on my MTB. While in the shed, I spent a moment looking over my old KHS Fiero roadie. Since it is aged and the cost to upgrade it to modern specs will be prohibitive, it might just become a single speed. That is cost effective, and it always had a nice ride. Can't really consider getting rid of that old friend.

    I spent the bulk of my day getting my daughter's Jeep ready for her to go back to college. She leaves today. I needed a new pair of tires, and had some maintenance to do. My friend that bought a bike to ride with me, let me use his HEATED garage for most of it, and helped me by crawling under for the stuff I am not ready to do yet. He snagged a 2004 Giant Yukon MTB. And its in decent shape, needs new cables and brake pads, but otherwise is ready to ride. Daughter leaves today. She has been a huge help between my wife being in the hospital and rehab center, and taking care of the house and my going back to work. And she has helped with cooking good easy meals.

    My wife decided to go with me to the pool last night. She did only two laps of the pool walking through it, but didn't want to overdo it and not be able to get out of the pool. I did 8 laps and two more walking with her. She did need help but mainly because the steps are really tall. She is making steady progress. Not as fast as she'd like, but she is about the strongest she has been in about 5 months. Although, people did look at her funny using her walker in a gym...

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    Also to Scott, I hope all is getting better. I was afraid of infections as well. Even after getting home. So I really hope things improve for your relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zjrog View Post
    I had a small slip on ice but managed to keep my balance. .
    That is the thing to avoid if at all possible. Depending on the slip, even if you stayed upright, you can hurt yourself...

    All you can do is try to keep it to a minimum, and continue to do the good work on bringing your knee back.
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    Peter, I've always been pretty good about keeping my balance on ice. On the other hand, I have also pulled groin muscles even though I didn't fall.

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    You know you're getting old when you find you hurt yourself while you were sleeping...
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    Well, the hybrid is a bit short. Not sure if I want to get a different seat post, or switch to a different bike. First couple minutes were really tough, but managed 15 minutes. Really, getting over the top was tough, the excercise bike at therapy has shorter cranks. But I got it going and managed.

    So I was looking for my bike online and can't seem to find it. We bought it new in 98, its a Schwinn Searcher GS. The Schwinn catalog doesn't show it in 97, and the 98 had curved top and down tubes. All other aspects are the same as the 98 except the appearance. Seems to be an oddball. Mine is a classic hybrid/comfort frame.

    Took the wife to the pool again. Her idea. But as she looks at the hybrid on the trainer, she knows she can't get her leg over it and that isn't going to happen for some time. And I don't really see how her trike could fit the trainer.

    I'll get a pic of the bike on the trainer in the morning.

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    And giving some serious thought to a water filtration system. Or just the Brita pitchers. Tired of tossing plastic bottles.

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