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Wet weather tires
Have been through the search engines and I am not really finding what I need info on. I have a 29er that I ride exclusively on the road. I am looking for tires I can have a bit more confidence in during wet road conditions. Earlier this year my hybrid slide out from under me and I most likely need surgery on my shoulder as a result. I now ride the mountain bike but am very hesitant of riding when it is wet, which is quickly going to be the norm here. I ride everyday and do not want to ride at a snail's pace. I am of course cautious in turns when it is wet but anxiety should not be too much of the equation. I would prefer a wider tire, I think the stock tires are 2.2, so I am thinking 38 or 40 maybe? Anyway the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme and I think a continental tire were ones I did some reading on. I would like to hear from any wet weather folks. Many thanks
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On a tarmac surface, even in the wet, slick tyres offer more adhesion than tyres with treads. I know this sounds counterintuitive, but because bicycle tyres do not aquaplane a slick tyre puts more rubber on the road, even in the wet, than a tyre with treads. The rubber compound, not the tread, give you the grip. On the schwalbe website there's a technical info pdf document which explains this on page 13.
So before thinking about tyre size, think about where you're going to be riding. If, as you say, it's exclusively on-road, get slicks. If you were going off road on loose surfaces, you'd need treaded or knobbly tyres because there you'd want the treads to dig into the mud or gravel or whatever.
Then when you've made that choice, get whatever size fits your rims and makes you feel comfortable. Personally, for road riding, I've never felt the need to go above 32mm but ymmv.
So before thinking about tyre size, think about where you're going to be riding. If, as you say, it's exclusively on-road, get slicks. If you were going off road on loose surfaces, you'd need treaded or knobbly tyres because there you'd want the treads to dig into the mud or gravel or whatever.
Then when you've made that choice, get whatever size fits your rims and makes you feel comfortable. Personally, for road riding, I've never felt the need to go above 32mm but ymmv.
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Ok I have a question about kinda the same thing I guess. If I am going to be riding gravel rail trails when it snows should I go with a studed tire or just something with knobs and lots of tread for my Hybrid? Oh yea another thing if anyone has experience with studs in the tires will they last all winter? Some of the tires I have seen so far are not cheap and I would hope to get more than one winter out of them.
I have also read that you have to keep your speed down with studded but no one seem to state what is a good speed to cruise at, so I was also wondering how low does the speed need to be or is this more of a road thing for keeping speed down?
I have also read that you have to keep your speed down with studded but no one seem to state what is a good speed to cruise at, so I was also wondering how low does the speed need to be or is this more of a road thing for keeping speed down?
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For all conditions I'm a fan of the Pasela TourGuard 32mm. I've used them on everything from smooth paved commuting on the MUP to a 300k which was a mix of chip-seal and 25k of loose gravel, to a 400k where it rained for the final 110k.
Even in a foggy drizzle coming down a 3500', 25km long, winding mountain descent in the dark... I never worried about my tires.
Even in a foggy drizzle coming down a 3500', 25km long, winding mountain descent in the dark... I never worried about my tires.
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Excellent all-round tyre, I agree. I have the 26"x1.75" version as a spare for my touring bike precisely because I might take that bike over a variety of surfaces. But if riding exclusively on the road I'd select a slick tyre.
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Tires make no difference on a bicycle. Technique and experience is required on wet pavement.
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Tires make no difference on a bicycle. Technique and experience is required on wet pavement.
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Nope. Wet traction varies between tires and the boundary between slipping a bit and completely loosing traction varies.
Tour Magazine's 2007 tests confirm empirical evidence with data, showing a 10% speed (nearly 20% power) difference past which different road tires loose traction:
https://www.conti-online.com/generato...gp4000s_en.pdf
Tires with substantial tread (like knobs) are even worse on wet pavement.
Sure, although you don't need to start with a handicap provided that you're keeping spare tires on hand (otherwise you're stuck with LBS selection and price) and spending a couple cents a mile on tires.
Tour Magazine's 2007 tests confirm empirical evidence with data, showing a 10% speed (nearly 20% power) difference past which different road tires loose traction:
https://www.conti-online.com/generato...gp4000s_en.pdf
Tires with substantial tread (like knobs) are even worse on wet pavement.
Technique and experience is required on wet pavement.
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I live on the Bruce Peninsula and up here 98 out of 100 cars get snow tires mounted, and the other 2 just don't have them on yet. I don't have them on my mountain bike, but expect to get them after Christmas....
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What little I know about hydroplaning is based on 30-year-old thinking. I don't know if conventional wisdom has changed in that time or not, but what I was taught was that hydroplaning is the result of the combination of velocity, tire pressure and size of contact patch. To hydroplane you need high velocity, low tire pressure and large contact patch (all relatively speaking). The thinking was that, at least compared to automobiles, bicycles have so much higher pressure, lower velocity and smaller contact patch that the water film can easily get out of the way, eliminating the need for siping (treads).
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What little I know about hydroplaning is based on 30-year-old thinking. I don't know if conventional wisdom has changed in that time or not, but what I was taught was that hydroplaning is the result of the combination of velocity, tire pressure and size of contact patch. To hydroplane you need high velodity, low tire pressure and large contact patch (all relatively speaking). The thinking was that, at least compared to automobiles, bicycles have so much higher pressure, lower velocity and smaller contact patch that the water film can easily get out of the way, eliminating the need for siping (treads).
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Slicks are the way to go on wet pavement.
Although I have no idea if slicks are available for wheels larger than road/racing dimensions ?
Although I have no idea if slicks are available for wheels larger than road/racing dimensions ?
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Wet pavement is only part of the problem.
I have found painted crosswalks very slippery when wet or icy.
Wet leaves are piled along the road edge here. They get churned to a slippery mash by vehicles.
These crushed wet leaves are treacherous.
I like a light tread. My personal choices are 700c schwalbe marathon racer, and 26" schwalbe marathon dureme.
But nothing substitutes for care and attentiveness when paint, leaves, wetness, or ice make the road slippery.
I have found painted crosswalks very slippery when wet or icy.
Wet leaves are piled along the road edge here. They get churned to a slippery mash by vehicles.
These crushed wet leaves are treacherous.
I like a light tread. My personal choices are 700c schwalbe marathon racer, and 26" schwalbe marathon dureme.
But nothing substitutes for care and attentiveness when paint, leaves, wetness, or ice make the road slippery.
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My commute is 1/2 paved and 1/2 gravel and I do it in all weather. My bikes have medium-tread tires - Continental Tour Ride and Vittoria Randonneur - and these are as much tread as I would ever want for hard packed gravel and slightly more tread than I would choose if I only rode on pavement. Too much tread will decrease traction on hard surfaces.
SOme other good choices: Schwalbe Marathon, Continental COntact, Panaracer Pasela, Michelin City. There are many more, and tires can be found in many widths from 25mm (like a racing bike) to 45mm and up. Select a width based on terrain, your weight, and your comfort expectations. Make sure they are inflated properly and ride cautiously - an injured shoulder is bad, but not as bad as getting run over by a dump truck.
SOme other good choices: Schwalbe Marathon, Continental COntact, Panaracer Pasela, Michelin City. There are many more, and tires can be found in many widths from 25mm (like a racing bike) to 45mm and up. Select a width based on terrain, your weight, and your comfort expectations. Make sure they are inflated properly and ride cautiously - an injured shoulder is bad, but not as bad as getting run over by a dump truck.
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This Fall has been fairly rainy. I've ridden in lots of light and heavy rain and I can tell you that my Bontrager Hard Case (slicks) work great. If you go over a metal grade or manhole cover, be super careful because they will get super slick. There isn't a tire out there that can protect you on that kind of surface. There will be some differences between various tires, but I've found the Hard Case tires to be infinitely better than my Bontrager Invert Select tires I had on the bike before (those had some light tread). With the Insert select tires, the tread picked up all the little bits of road grime and the little rocks would get pushed through the tire and I'g get s flat... no such problesm with the Hard Case (slicks). Last night I finally had to put the snow tires on. We have only a few inches of snow on the ground, and the road are clear, but only 3 miles south of here they got almost 3 feet of snow (you've got to love the crazyness of how locallized lake effect snow can be). There were a few icy pathes here and there. The irony is that with the deep knobs on the tread on my Nokia W106, I feel a lot less secure. The tires squirm a lot more and in the rain I can notice less traction. Once you hit some ice or snow, the studs and deep tread are VERY welcome. For fun I've tried ridding in my street with slicks in the snow, and it was impossible. With the tread I can power my way through 6" of snow (not easy, but it can work).
She Schwalbe's are an excellent all around tire. You won't be setting any speed or light weight records, but they are tough and will work well in all but serious Winter weather.
Happy riding,
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She Schwalbe's are an excellent all around tire. You won't be setting any speed or light weight records, but they are tough and will work well in all but serious Winter weather.
Happy riding,
André
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I've done very well with Vittoria Rando Cross tires. A friend of mine saw how happy I was with mine, and got a pair for his 29er, and loves them.
Speaking of wet weather, I just changed over to quick stop salmon brake pads. So far so good.
Speaking of wet weather, I just changed over to quick stop salmon brake pads. So far so good.
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Happy riding,
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Decided on Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40c. We will see how they ride on the mountain bike. I have read a lot of good things about them. Thanks for all the info.
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