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    New climb/descent video (Kodak Playsport test)

    OK, so here's the test video I promised from my new Kodak Playsport camera. I recorded it in WVGA 848X480, 30 fps, EIS on. Even with EIS on, it is shakier than my Casio point-and-shoot digital camera. Sound and picture quality are fine. I also like how wind noise was not excessive on descents

    I used a Rayovac 800 mah battery from Batteries Plus for the first hour, then when the battery icon was showing only about 1/16" I put a fresh Kodak 1000 mah battery in.

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    Thanks for uploading this, I'm thinking about buying a video cam myself, and mount it on my bike. Kodak Playsport has a CMOS sensor, right?

    BTW, the video is very interesting. My wife started breathing heavily while watching. I think she was teasing you!

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    Nice climbing How do you upload the video ? - WinMovieMaker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glottis View Post
    Thanks for uploading this, I'm thinking about buying a video cam myself, and mount it on my bike. Kodak Playsport has a CMOS sensor, right?

    BTW, the video is very interesting. My wife started breathing heavily while watching. I think she was teasing you!
    That's funny! I can just picture that I thought about just including the two descents and no climbing, but for me a proper camera test has to test the sensitivity of the Mic

    Yup, according to Best Buy's website (where I bought the camera), it has a "1/2.5" CMOS image sensor". I was very pleased with the picture quality at the lowest resolution. It's better than my Casio.

    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    Nice climbing How do you upload the video ? - WinMovieMaker?
    Thank you Yes, I used Windows Movie Maker 2011 on my Windows 7 machine. At first I tried to edit it on my Windows Vista machine, but apparently it must not have the necessary codecs installed to edit .mov files. It didn't work. On the Windows 7 machine it worked flawlessly, and encoding time was MUCH quicker than the Vista machine was with .avi files from the Casio.

    I used the "Save movie" function, not the "Publish movie" one, as I always like to check quality before uploading to YouTube. The "Publish movie" feature allows you to upload directly to YouTube, Facebook, and other sites.

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    Thanks - what did you save the movie as? I have a hard time guesstimating filesize/quality of a finished project. Thanks for answering all my questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    Thanks - what did you save the movie as? I have a hard time guesstimating filesize/quality of a finished project. Thanks for answering all my questions
    My pleasure. Ask away

    I saved it in its original resolution of 848x480, but dropped the bitrate from 5000kbps (original raw file bitrate) to 3000kbps. Audio I left as is (128kbps, 48 kHz). Windows Movie Maker saves the file as a .wmv.

    An easy way to figure out what quality to save a file as is to right-click on the original raw file from the camera, scroll down to "Properties", and then click on the "Details" tab. It gives you the resolution of audio and video

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    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    Thanks - what did you save the movie as? I have a hard time guesstimating filesize/quality of a finished project. Thanks for answering all my questions
    Good thing about moviemaker 2011, you save the file. Load it through moviemaker by clicking on the youtube icon. A second window opens up and selects the best file size for you and does so while loading the file into youtube. click on the box highlited and it does it for you.

    You should really watch this guy's tutorials on moviemaker. He covers just about everything in about 7 categorized videos. I've posted the link before but nobody listens to me.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/LiveMovieMaker

    step 1, click on youtube icon

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    step 2, new window opens, click on the file size movie maker has suggested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Good thing about moviemaker 2011, you save the file. Load it through moviemaker by clicking on the youtube icon. A second window opens up and selects the best file size for you and does so while loading the file into youtube. click on the box highlited and it does it for you.

    You should really watch this guy's tutorials on moviemaker. He covers just about everything in about 7 categorized videos. I've posted the link before but nobody listens to me.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/LiveMovieMaker


    I'd rather choose my quality settings myself, thank you very much Besides, YouTube does support up to 1080p HD files if that's what your camera records in

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    Thanks all - one of my issues is that Im on slow DSL - A HQ YouTube upload cripples my connection for 45 mins or so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    Thanks all - one of my issues is that Im on slow DSL - A HQ YouTube upload cripples my connection for 45 mins or so...
    I know how you feel I know two people who have AT&T DSL, and it is frustratingly slow compared to my Comcast connection.

    If you have any more questions feel free to ask

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    As a Playsport owner, some thoguhts:

    Shakiness
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    I have been researching how to limit the "shakiness" of the camera and on a motorcycle forum a user had good results by turning OFF the EIS function. This is counter to what you would think but the thoguht was that a vehicle mounted Playsport has to deal wih hundreds of EIS corrections if its turned on. Apparently turning it off is the way to go. I will have to try my 6 mile loop again to test.

    Codecs and Filesize
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    I recorded a 30 min ride last night in the pouring down rain (EIS on) and the edited filesize in 720p via Windows Movie Maker was close to 1gb. This is simply too big!
    I re-encoded using the 'Divx' codec and the result was very nice quality (looked like the original) and 180mb - a huge difference.

    Anyone else played around with codecs or the shakiness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    As a Playsport owner, some thoguhts:

    Shakiness
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    I have been researching how to limit the "shakiness" of the camera and on a motorcycle forum a user had good results by turning OFF the EIS function. This is counter to what you would think but the thoguht was that a vehicle mounted Playsport has to deal wih hundreds of EIS corrections if its turned on. Apparently turning it off is the way to go. I will have to try my 6 mile loop again to test.

    Codecs and Filesize
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    I recorded a 30 min ride last night in the pouring down rain (EIS on) and the edited filesize in 720p via Windows Movie Maker was close to 1gb. This is simply too big!
    I re-encoded using the 'Divx' codec and the result was very nice quality (looked like the original) and 180mb - a huge difference.

    Anyone else played around with codecs or the shakiness?
    Good information. I will try turning it off the next time I record a ride. I never was very impressed with EIS on cameras, which is why I turned it off on the first test video shot in the rain.

    I'm not going to bother posting the next test though, as it will probably look very similar to the rain video. Also, I just lost a subscriber yesterday, probably due to the fact that I haven't posted any new "alt-bike" videos since July. My videos of alt bikes (art bikes, etc) are what caused people to subscribe to my channel in the first place. Trust me, if I see an unusual bike I will try to record it, but I haven't seen any around here since last summer.

    Did you install the Divx codec and then edit in Windows Movie Maker? If so, where did you get the codec? Hopefully it's a free codec, or at least reasonably priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    Thanks all - one of my issues is that Im on slow DSL - A HQ YouTube upload cripples my connection for 45 mins or so...
    I've also got DSL. SO if I go thru the programs to laod the video,it cuts the time in half for my upload. If I chose it myself, save in documents, it doubles the load time on youtbe.

    eg:

    a 4 minute video will take 40 minute if I load it from my documents. (10 minutes load time for every 1 minute of video)
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    same video loaded through WMM or Flip Rapidshare will only take 20 mintues. (5 minutes load time for every 1 minute of video)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I've also got DSL. SO if I go thru the programs to laod the video,it cuts the time in half for my upload. If I chose it myself, save in documents, it doubles the load time on youtbe.

    eg:

    a 4 minute video will take 40 minute if I load it from my documents. (10 minutes load time for every 1 minute of video)
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    same video loaded through WMM or Flip Rapidshare will only take 20 mintues. (5 minutes load time for every 1 minute of video)
    Comcast rules


    My last video upload (the Kodak Playsport test) only took about 7 or 8 minutes, and it is a 140 MB file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttraininguphill View Post
    Comcast rules


    My last video upload (the Kodak Playsport test) only took about 7 or 8 minutes, and it is a 140 MB file.
    That's great/fast! MY 90.5 file took me 20 minutes.

    Out of curiosity, how much do you pay for the service? I pay $19 per month. My daughter uses a cable provider, says it too is very fast but pays much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    That's great/fast! MY 90.5 file took me 20 minutes.

    Out of curiosity, how much do you pay for the service? I pay $19 per month. My daughter uses a cable provider, says it too is very fast but pays much more.
    My current bill is $48.60 after all taxes and fees. Normally it would be about $61, but I've been getting promotional discounts for years. The last one was even better. My total bill was about $35. A few months after the promo discount ends, I call up Comcast and tell them I would like to subscribe to internet service but no TV, since I never watch it. Of course they always eventually admit to me that it will cost me the same or more to drop TV as it does to have the cheap Basic TV package, so I agree to keep the TV. Then they give me the promo discount

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    That's not all that bad. Nice thing about DSL, when I signed up, they gave me the first 6 months free.

    You figure in the year & 2 months that I've been loading videos, I've only paid $150 total for net service. When the 2 year contract is up, most net providers give you a "please keep the service" deal too. I bet I get another 6 free months.

    I don't mind a few extra minutes. Most of the loading is done while I eat dinner anyways. Time management, I aint missing a thang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    That's not all that bad. Nice thing about DSL, when I signed up, they gave me the first 6 months free.

    You figure in the year & 2 months that I've been loading videos, I've only paid $150 total for net service. When the 2 year contract is up, most net providers give you a "please keep the service" deal too. I bet I get another 6 free months.

    I don't mind a few extra minutes. Most of the loading is done while I eat dinner anyways. Time management, I aint missing a thang!
    Good deal For me though, I want the high speed because I spend more time watching and downloading than uploading. Watching videos on YouTube on a slow AT&T connection is an exercise in frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttraininguphill View Post
    Good deal For me though, I want the high speed because I spend more time watching and downloading than uploading. Watching videos on YouTube on a slow AT&T connection is an exercise in frustration.
    As far a watching, I never have a problem watching youtube videos. But mine is no business so it's all cycling and fun.

    I do keep my computer very clean though and no files. Heard this helps. I don't keep any pictures or videos on the comp. I use a flashdrive for a few of my fav videos and pics. The rest of the pics go onto online albums. My friend is a computer tech, He said if I keep my hard drive clean, it will run faster. Plus the computer is way more giga byte mega byte, Ramrods whatever it is, than I'll ever need.

    My computer only takes 22 second to boot up. I've heard that is good!

    Checkout how much free space I have left on my hard drive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    As far a watching, I never have a problem watching youtube videos. But mine is no business so it's all cycling and fun.

    I do keep my computer very clean though and no files. Heard this helps. I don't keep any pictures or videos on the comp. I use a flashdrive for a few of my fav videos and pics. The rest of the pics go onto online albums. My friend is a computer tech, He said if I keep my hard drive clean, it will run faster. Plus the computer is way more giga byte mega byte, Ramrods whatever it is, than I'll ever need.

    My computer only takes 22 second to boot up. I've heard that is good!

    Checkout how much free space I have left on my hard drive.


    space by gulpxtreme, on Flickr
    That's pretty good I have 442 gb free out of 581 on this computer. But I have done all the performance tweaks like get rid of the pretty desktop and go to classic view, disable themes, Desktop Window Management, and other non-essential services. I do disk cleanup and run CCleaner regularly, plus make sure no programs I don't need are installed. All my computers run much better than the ones belonging to people I know who don't do any of this. Keep in mind that sometimes YouTube buffering problems are on their end, and no amount of computer maintenance on our part is going to solve that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttraininguphill View Post
    That's pretty good I have 442 gb free out of 581 on this computer. But I have done all the performance tweaks like get rid of the pretty desktop and go to classic view, disable themes, Desktop Window Management, and other non-essential services. I do disk cleanup and run CCleaner regularly, plus make sure no programs I don't need are installed. All my computers run much better than the ones belonging to people I know who don't do any of this. Keep in mind that sometimes YouTube buffering problems are on their end, and no amount of computer maintenance on our part is going to solve that issue.
    Yup, mine plain old classic with a few desktop icons, that's it. Yeah, I've heard youtube is a little slower during peak viewing hours. But I really don't watch all that much either. Usually the vids posted in the forums. Not much more than a few bike forums on my computer.

    And only about 5 seconds to load a pic into an online album.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Yup, mine plain old classic with a few desktop icons, that's it. Yeah, I've heard youtube is a little slower during peak viewing hours. But I really don't watch all that much either. Usually the vids posted in the forums. Not much more than a few bike forums on my computer.

    And only about 5 seconds to load a pic into an online album.


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    Here's my desktop Can't get much simpler than this:

    EDIT: Pic deleted. Had to delete a bunch of photos from my Flickr account to avoid having to pay them $25 a year just to keep them visible
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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttraininguphill View Post

    Did you install the Divx codec and then edit in Windows Movie Maker? If so, where did you get the codec? Hopefully it's a free codec, or at least reasonably priced.
    The divx codec is free form here : http://www.divx.com/

    My MacBook Quicktime app allows me to export a video in "divx" format. I believe there are a bunch of free tools that will do the same for the PC also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    The divx codec is free form here : http://www.divx.com/

    My MacBook Quicktime app allows me to export a video in "divx" format. I believe there are a bunch of free tools that will do the same for the PC also.
    Cool, thanks

    Just did all the updates to my dual-core Windows 7 Home Premium netbook, and so far it looks like it edits the .mov files flawlessly also, so it'll be a good backup computer for this purpose.

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