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    They never let poor Clydesdale ...

    So, the local road club posted a ride for today. Here's part of the ride post:

    avg depends on riders
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    The club's ride usually are 15-17 mph average rides, and I always stay out of them, because I couldn't hang with that kind of average. I'm a clyde, and a relative newbie at that. Now the words "no drop" strike me as a call for a more relaxed pace, and the "avg depends on riders" also makes me think that i may actually have a place in this ride.

    So I get there early and stand on my bike for about 5 minutes before anybody says a word to me - I'm partially to blame for that, I wanted to suss out the group a bit and not go in kissing hands and shaking babies.

    Well, the group's the typical Lance Armstrong wannabees like they always are, and I get to talking with one older member, who informs me that if I can't do a 15 mph average to not even bother, and I'd better be ready to go 30 at one point. This leads me to ask "how downhill is it at that point?" He replies "not very." Then he says "do you even know the course?"

    Well, no, but it's not like there was a route posted, and well, there was those two magical words "no drop." So I figured I'd have some help figuring it out along the way.

    But, hell with it, I told him to go on. I then went home and deleted the local road club's website from my bookmarks. That'll show them. That and me not paying dues next year. Yeah - I'm a dues-paying club member.

    I'm itching more and more to form a club for bicycle riders who don't wanna pretend every country road they're on is the Champs-Elysees. Something carbon neutral - any flavor of bike. Spandex suggested but not required. Do any of you guys belong to clubs like this or have 'em in your hometown?

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    Sorry to hear about the snobs I don't know if any of our clubs are truly "no drop", as I've chosen to ride solo for the past 20 years or so. Your post only makes me more glad I do.

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    The local club here is a lot like what you just deleted; there are a few MTB 'hairballs' that are fun to ride with, no pretentious attitudes there.

    I would also refuse to ride with such a group as you described, and would probably let them know about it in some salty terms. But that's just me. I just have ZERO patience with guys that ride to live out some "Lance"-tasy, even when they're my age and portlier than I am.

    BTW, I don't belong, and won't. I'll ride my legs off with the hairballs, or idle along with my kids, and enjoy both rides. It's never about me, it's about me RIDING.

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    Do you eventually want to average 15mph+? I would start riding the route solo and once you know the route like the back of your hand then start riding with them. Sure you'll get dropped but soon you'll be able to hang with them. It's not the bike. It's the cyclist. You'd be surprised how fast and stronger you'll get from riding with faster and stronger cyclists. I did that last year and now this year I'm able to hang with the big boys. Not the A group yet but high B's.

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    is there some law against getting on the back and if you get dropped go at your own pace. don't think you will be arrested at the end. let them know before hand that if you are dropped that you will bring it in on your own. so it's a win win.

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    I do the Thursday night shop rides at one of the LBS and they're the 'toned down' version of the Wednesday night hammerfest. 17mph average, and "no drop" means that the speed demons will stand around and wait for you at the top of the hill, but they'll certainly leave you behind on the climb.
    I rarely ride with any club rides because the few times I did, the posted "17mph average" ended up being a 21mph average with pulls in the flat sections going up to a 25mph paceline.
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    Since you are a club member perhaps you could set up a ride for other club members that are interested in the type of ride you want.

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    I avoid clubs myself. I don't care to meet anybody's schedule or ride plan. We go out and ride then others join in.

    This is my experience with clubs. We were invited on a friendly social ride. Pace was 24 even before the tail end of the group was on the road. Pace was so high that everytime a rider pulled off the front after a pull, he was shed by the rest of the group playing "lastman standing".

    2nd invite, pace was about 25 about 2 miles not the ride and no way was Gina going to hang on for long. A rider dropped back and made the comment, "Ha ha, why is Gina looking so red in the face?". I gave them the AMF speech and let them race of into the sunset.

    As always, I'm just enjoying my ride with my wife and who ever else hops on.

    Let me add, in my 15 years of riding, I've met about 6 guys that know how to do a good steady consistent pace. One was named Larry (Semper Fi) a clyde that did several double centuries. This guy was good, smooth, steady and very predictable. I could ride his wheel on century, rotate and never miss a beat. Other riders get in front, accelerate 3 or 4 mph, then slow, look back, swing side to side, stop, go, fast, slow, 23 then back down to 17, then accelerate. I don't know many riders that I feel comfy riding their wheel, or even with them for that matter. Club rides I've been on, the riders are all over the place, too dangerous. If we were in a race, it would be understandable but on a friendly social ride, nope!
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    Quote Originally Posted by john423 View Post
    I'm itching more and more to form a club for bicycle riders who don't wanna pretend every country road they're on is the Champs-Elysees. Something carbon neutral - any flavor of bike. Spandex suggested but not required. Do any of you guys belong to clubs like this or have 'em in your hometown?
    Start it up as a Facebook group. There are several casual/social rides locally here in Ft. Worth that post up through FB; in fact, that's why I joined. Tuesdays and Thursdays are spirited rides from a bike shop, Wednesday is a little more laid back, and start from a pub. The last Wed. of the month they ride to get Vietnamese food for dinner. On Sundays they start from the same pub and do a pub crawl ride. On Tuesdays a second group started, this one for beginners riding less than 10 mph. All these I found out about through FB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I avoid clubs myself. I don't care to meet anybody's schedule or ride plan. We go out and ride then others join in.

    This is my experience with clubs. We were invited on a friendly social ride. Pace was 24 even before the tail end of the group was on the road. Pace was so high that everytime a rider pulled off the front after a pull, he was shed by the rest of the group playing "lastman standing".

    2nd invite, pace was about 25 about 2 miles not the ride and no way was Gina going to hang on for long. A rider dropped back and made the comment, "Ha ha, why is Gina looking so red in the face?". I gave them the AMF speech and let them race of into the sunset.

    As always, I'm just enjoying my ride with my wife and who ever else hops on.
    What a bunch of a-holes Yet another reason why I'm proud to admit to riding solo all the time.

    I hope you find Sir Lance-a-want on GMR one day and make him suffer bad

    One of our local clubs is named "The Hammerin' Wheels". With a name like that, I wouldn't attempt to ride with them even at 120 lbs!

    PS: What's the "AMF speech"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    This is my experience with clubs. We were invited on a friendly social ride. Pace was 24 even before the tail end of the group was on the road. Pace was so high that everytime a rider pulled off the front after a pull, he was shed by the rest of the group playing "lastman standing".
    Blech.
    The last Friendly Social Ride I did with a club was a Seattle Randos social group Permanent 100k. We broke into about 3 different paced packs: 20+, 17 - 19, and 15 - 16mph. Within those, we'd regroup at hilltops, and everyone met up at the control stops for coffee and pastries (a bakery and a coffee shop are the controls on that course.) Of any club around here, they're the one I know of that actually does "social" rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttraininguphill View Post
    PS: What's the "AMF speech"?
    Thats what I was wondering too... ;-)

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    that's why I've never really been interested in joining a club ride. Well that and I only have one bike, a converted drop bar mountain bike with racks, folding baskets and fenders, so there's no way I could keep up unless the entire course was downhill.

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    I feel very fortunate to be a part of, and ride with, one of the best clubs I've heard about - the Plano Bicycle Association. We have 8 rides on Saturday (and several more during the week) which start with the 16 mile 11-12 MPH average no drop novice ride and move up all the way to the 45-65 mile (depending on which route) 18-21 MPH average ride.

    I agree with Crazy88s - riding with faster folks is one of the best ways to get faster and stronger yourself. Then again, I like finishing a ride with my legs and chest burning from the exertion...if that's not your cup of tea that's OK too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttraininguphill View Post
    I hope you find Sir Lance-a-want on GMR one day and make him suffer bad
    Ya know, the funny thing I've ridden with this guy several times. I actually enjoy riding in the wind so MANY times the dude has sucked my wheel on long rides and failed to take the front. He went to the front one time then whined about his HR monitor beeeping too fast and moved quickly to the back behind me. Honestly, I'm not a guy that likes to razz people when they struggle on a ride. I will be the first on a group/forum ride to drop back and help out a struggling rider, with hopes to pull him back up to the group and think nothing of it. But in this case, I rode with the guy one more time after this and totally destroyed him on the ride.

    I'm not sure what it was but maybe out of his own insecurity feeling that he was lacking on previous rides, he felt the only way to get me back was to punish Gina. That doesn't fall kindly with me. This is no joke but back before I involved Gina so much in my riding, I trained much more. Back then my ride partners called me "The Punisher"....and he got punished!@...Now he only shows his ugly face when there is a reason or a personal challenge.

    I'm was about 255 then dropped down to 218, that's when the Punisher took over........BTW, ARIZONA RIDES ROCK!

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    ...I only have one bike, a converted drop bar mountain bike with racks, folding baskets and fenders....
    You are my hero.


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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttraininguphill View Post
    PS: What's the "AMF speech"?
    " Adios Mother F........"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Ya know, the funny thing I've ridden with this guy several times. I actually enjoy riding in the wind so MANY times the dude has sucked my wheel on long rides and failed to take the front. He went to the front one time then whined about his HR monitor beeeping too fast and moved quickly to the back behind me. Honestly, I'm not a guy that likes to razz people when they struggle on a ride. I will be the first on a group/forum ride to drop back and help out a struggling rider, with hopes to pull him back up to the group and think nothing of it. But in this case, I rode with the guy one more time after this and totally destroyed him on the ride.

    I'm not sure what it was but maybe out of his own insecurity feeling that he was lacking on previous rides, he felt the only way to get me back was to punish Gina. That doesn't fall kindly with me. This is no joke but back before I involved Gina so much in my riding, I trained much more. Back then my ride partners called me "The Punisher"....and he got punished!@...Now he only shows his ugly face when there is a reason or a personal challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    " Adios Mother F........"

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    Wow, all the responses. Cool!

    Since I'm technically a member of the club, I could call my own damn novice ride anytime I want to. But with several bad experiences I've had with this bunch, I wonder if I should even bother keeping it under their umbrella. I feel like if the rides got popular, I'd be rewarding them for being jerks. Make sense?

    I just wanna ride with people. I don't necessarily wanna average 15 mph. That'd be nice, but I'm not sure me or the bike's built for it. I get tired of worrying about some number and just wanna enjoy a bike ride.

    I'm really getting hot to try to form my own club. Here's what I think would be the rules, feedback definitely appreciated:

    1. Weekend rides are open to all bikes, all ages. Pace to be determined by the group, ride time around 2 hours, no drops, route selection to be determined by group (hilly or not-so-hilly). Basically I don't wanna kill people.
    2. Once a month or so, there'd be a "pub crawl" ride to try to bring in younger folks. Any style of bike would be welcome at these, too. I'd like to try to set up some "annual tradition" rides.

    Basically, something a lot more socially based than trying to get ready to go race time trials somewhere. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's just not my cup of tea.

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    The AMF speech is kind of like breaking up with a significant other, but skipping all of the sensitivity aspects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    Blech.
    The last Friendly Social Ride I did with a club was a Seattle Randos social group Permanent 100k. We broke into about 3 different paced packs: 20+, 17 - 19, and 15 - 16mph. Within those, we'd regroup at hilltops, and everyone met up at the control stops for coffee and pastries (a bakery and a coffee shop are the controls on that course.) Of any club around here, they're the one I know of that actually does "social" rides.
    Ya know this guy Semper Fi was a big LD rider (doubles etc). Cool guy, If I was doing 20, he'd hold 20 when I let him in front. I don't know what it is but I can do 20 for 10 miles, move over then the other guy will hit 24 for 2 mintues then move to the back. It's like people don't understand what "having a chance to recover" means.

    Last guy I tried to train with drafted for 50 miles then sprinted around in the last 1/2 mile...Impressive but when I asked him to go to the front at mile 5-49, he wouldn't.

    Good partners ar hard to find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by john423 View Post
    So, the local road club posted a ride for today. Here's part of the ride post:

    avg depends on riders
    no drop

    The club's ride usually are 15-17 mph average rides, and I always stay out of them, because I couldn't hang with that kind of average. I'm a clyde, and a relative newbie at that. Now the words "no drop" strike me as a call for a more relaxed pace, and the "avg depends on riders" also makes me think that i may actually have a place in this ride.

    So I get there early and stand on my bike for about 5 minutes before anybody says a word to me - I'm partially to blame for that, I wanted to suss out the group a bit and not go in kissing hands and shaking babies.

    Well, the group's the typical Lance Armstrong wannabees like they always are, and I get to talking with one older member, who informs me that if I can't do a 15 mph average to not even bother, and I'd better be ready to go 30 at one point. This leads me to ask "how downhill is it at that point?" He replies "not very." Then he says "do you even know the course?"

    Well, no, but it's not like there was a route posted, and well, there was those two magical words "no drop." So I figured I'd have some help figuring it out along the way.

    But, hell with it, I told him to go on. I then went home and deleted the local road club's website from my bookmarks. That'll show them. That and me not paying dues next year. Yeah - I'm a dues-paying club member.

    I'm itching more and more to form a club for bicycle riders who don't wanna pretend every country road they're on is the Champs-Elysees. Something carbon neutral - any flavor of bike. Spandex suggested but not required. Do any of you guys belong to clubs like this or have 'em in your hometown?
    I don't. So I ride alone, or ride with a friend - lately that's Sayre, or organize a ride and post about it here or on Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john423 View Post
    Since I'm technically a member of the club, I could call my own damn novice ride anytime I want to. But with several bad experiences I've had with this bunch, I wonder if I should even bother keeping it under their umbrella. I feel like if the rides got popular, I'd be rewarding them for being jerks. Make sense?
    Makes perfect sense to me. I would feel the same way.

    Quote Originally Posted by john423 View Post
    I just wanna ride with people. I don't necessarily wanna average 15 mph. That'd be nice, but I'm not sure me or the bike's built for it. I get tired of worrying about some number and just wanna enjoy a bike ride.
    Sounds like me. I don't even have a computer on any of my bikes. I have a Garmin Edge 500 that I put on my road bike for climbing rides, but that's it.

    Quote Originally Posted by john423 View Post
    I'm really getting hot to try to form my own club. Here's what I think would be the rules, feedback definitely appreciated:

    1. Weekend rides are open to all bikes, all ages. Pace to be determined by the group, ride time around 2 hours, no drops, route selection to be determined by group (hilly or not-so-hilly). Basically I don't wanna kill people.
    2. Once a month or so, there'd be a "pub crawl" ride to try to bring in younger folks. Any style of bike would be welcome at these, too. I'd like to try to set up some "annual tradition" rides.

    Basically, something a lot more socially based than trying to get ready to go race time trials somewhere. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's just not my cup of tea.
    Sounds good to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by john423 View Post
    . I don't necessarily wanna average 15 mph. That'd be nice, but I'm not sure me or the bike's built for it.
    It is easily in your reach! Don't underestimate yourself, especially if you have'nt been on the bike long. Funny, I used to think the samething. I did lots of riding (2000 miles per year). Well alot I thought. We bought our tandem and started riding together even more. Back in 98 I was riding tying to hold onto the back of a paceline doing 20 thinking these people were incredible. I got a good looka their bikes and they were the same thing I was riding.

    So on our tandem one day, we tried to hang on at 20 once again. They just pulled away like nothing. So I gave up onthining I could ever hang. I just went on my merry way and kept riding tryign my best.

    I swear, one day about a year later, I woke up in the morning, we got on the tandem and hit the same trail. Again I saw a group doing 20 and figure, what the heck. We gave chase hoping to hang at 20 which we could never do in the past. Surprisingly, we rolled right by at 24!

    WTF! Next thing I know we're rolling at 24 and the entire group of about 15 are on our wheel.

    Holy..... we just went with it asking no questions. Next thingI know we're at the end of the ride and the entire group is thanking us for the massive pull

    It was like magic, waking up one day with magic legs. All I can think of is that the leg muscles developed over the year with lots of time on the bike. From that day on, holding onto the end of a line doing 20 is like taking candy from a baby. I actually feel bad doing it. Gina too went from 12 mph to being able to hold 22-24 for good distances. He best average is 18.4 over a 42 mile bike ride.

    ALl I can sy is give it some time, kepe riding doingyur best and dont worry about the others's speeds. If you "want" to do it, you are on your way! Give it time, be patient.

    Being impatient and getting discouraged is the sword that slays too many riders.

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