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    The Ideal Protein Diet?

    This is a doctor supervised,very low carb/fat burning sort of diet. Has anyone here had any experience with this one?

    If you have- can you relate your experiences about how you felt on the bike while doing this diet?
    I just started phase one this week. some of my friends have had great results fom this diet, they are not cycists, though.

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    At 6ft and 200lbs (from your sig), why do you need such a extreme diet? Is it for medical reasons?

    If it is just to loose a little weight, I'd say you would be better off with a simple balanced diet (as in change of lifestyle, not loose weight program) and let you body settle on its natural weight, after all your current size/weight aren't that from from "ideal".

    Just my $0.02

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    How long are you going to be on the diet, and what are the phases? Then, what foods will you be eating, how much, and when? What will be your Macro nutrient ratios? Does your doctor know about your exercise level?

    In general a high protein low carbohydrate diet will work well for a certain amount of time. Some people experience mood swings and general fatigue.
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    It's my triglycerides HDL/LDL and blood pressure. They are just getting worse. Yes my doctor suggested this diet.
    I think this diet may help most just because it is so regimented. No questions and not a world of choices to go off track. If you know what I mean!
    I am feeling some weakness as of now in the first week. Just wondering at what stage I can expect to get the strength back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TnBama View Post
    It's my triglycerides HDL/LDL and blood pressure. They are just getting worse. Yes my doctor suggested this diet.
    I think this diet may help most just because it is so regimented. No questions and not a world of choices to go off track. If you know what I mean!
    I am feeling some weakness as of now in the first week. Just wondering at what stage I can expect to get the strength back.
    It doesn't sound like the diet is structured for you. It sounds more like a "one size fits all approach" <which we all know is true >. This doesn't mean it won't work, just that it may not be ideal.

    It is really hard to say how long you can expect fatigue. Sometimes it only last a week, sometimes the whole cycle. Since the diet sounds like it would be the same for someone 5'9 175lbs with a sedentary lifestyle and someone 6'2 200lbs with an active lifestyle, its hard to say, but I would guess longer than a week.

    When my blood work showed a bad cholesterol level I was offered medication or dietary changes. I chose dietary changes and have been fine. I still eat about the same amount (probably a little more), just different and more healthy choices.
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    I'm 63 and I've been on a diet like this for 3 years now. Started at 270; now down to 223. Triglycerides = 170 at start; 113 yesterday [less than 150 ideal]; HDL was 44 at start; now at 73 [60 or more is optimal]; BP was 140/95; now it's 123/72. Resting pulse was 68; now it's 51.

    I got on this plan because my blood sugar was too high. It's still higher than I'd like, but I think so far I have warded off Type 2 Diabetes. The improvement in my heart health is icing on the cake. Not all of the improvement is attributable to diet, of course. I ride about 120 miles per week and do strength training 3 times a week.

    I think the diet your doctor is asking you to get on is much, much healthier than the typical low fat / high carb diet. And recent studies that have compared the low carb approach to the typical low fat / high carb approach have borne that out.

    I still eat carbs, though. However, they're almost all in the form of fruits, vegetables, and a small amount of whole grain bread or brown rice. I stay away from easily digestible carbs - sugar, juices with HFCS, white flour, white rice, potatoes, etc.

    On my rides, I use an electrolyte replacement tablet that looks like alkaseltzer. It has no carbs; just electrolytes.

    However, if you are going to ride longer than 90 minutes, you'll need carbs. Otherwise, you'll bonk.

    A low carb diet certainly won't fatigue you. I ride with a local club and keep up with the 20 and 30 somethings just fine.

    I think more and more doctors are starting to realize that the low fat / high carb diet not only doesn't work for most people; it's been a disaster, helping to cause a huge increase in obesity, heart disease, and diabetes.

    Oh, and one thing that's been important to me -- I don't view this as a "diet". I view it as a permanent change in the foods I eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderMonkey View Post
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    I am not picking on this particular nutritionist but I get tired of nutritionists always talking about how bad certain diet methods are and that "all you have to do" is eat small portions, eat healthy, and it will never fail to work that you will lose weight. BS. B double S. Given the numbers of obese people obviously there is something wrong with the standard nutritionist advice. What many nutritionists fail to understand is how appetite works and how pervasive habits are. I think each person needs to figure out what works for them. If it works to severely limit carbs to jump start a diet and help control appetite, fine. There is no solid research to suggest that this is dangerous for most people for a short period of time. How many nutritionists are keeping up with the research?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfinch View Post
    I am not picking on this particular nutritionist but I get tired of nutritionists always talking about how bad certain diet methods are and that "all you have to do" is eat small portions, eat healthy, and it will never fail to work that you will lose weight. BS. B double S. Given the numbers of obese people obviously there is something wrong with the standard nutritionist advice.
    So because their is a high number of obese people in the USA, nutritionist are at fault. I call (to use your words) B double S. Most people don't see a nutritionist. Instead they tend to try the next diet they hear about, be it South Beach, Atkins, High Protein or whatever. Then after a few days, they either give up completely or they cheat on it, and day by day they get worse with cheating. To the point they are no longer on the diet. Then its the diet that didn't work. People need to be accountable for their own actions. When they mess up, its not the nutritionists fault, its theirs. Also people are almost always looking for the easiest way to lose weight, and the fastest way to do so. Most people don't understand that if you lose 10 pounds in a week, most of it is 90% of the time water weight.


    Myself, I will try to find out more on this diet before I pass judgement. With that link, I was just trying to show that some people are not sold on this diet. I like to see both sides of the argument first, look over what they say, and then make what I think is an educated guess on what I think. For those who it works for, that is the positive I am looking for, while I am also looking for the negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TnBama View Post
    This is a doctor supervised,very low carb/fat burning sort of diet. Has anyone here had any experience with this one?

    If you have- can you relate your experiences about how you felt on the bike while doing this diet?
    I just started phase one this week. some of my friends have had great results fom this diet, they are not cycists, though.

    Anyone?
    I went on this diet in 1999 or so with 2 friends, with no medical supervision.
    I lost 32 pounds in 30 days, another lost 37 pounds in 30 days and the third, 42 pounds in 30 days.
    I ate 2 - 1/2lb regular ground beef burgers smothered in blue cheese, ribs with sauce on the side, rotisseried chickens,
    bacon and eggs etc, etc. It was by far the most successful diet I ever tried.
    I was the only one riding 25+ miles a day and lost the least, I have always had trouble loosing weight.
    At 25 miles a day I get in ketosis in 2 days, not 2 weeks.
    I would either ride or roller blade the 25 miles sometimes both on a weekend. I did start taking gatorade
    along since I did bonk a few times, and it would easily be burnt off by the end of the ride.

    I tried it again several years later without the riding and it was not so successful, even though I used a lot
    more lean cuts of meat.

    I am now on a raw carrot,snap peas,mushroom,apple, banana etc with a protein shake for dinner diet,
    and riding 25-30 miles a day and have lost 15lbs in about 21 days. In general after you subtract the 800-900cals from 25-30 mile rides
    I am working on 400-600 cals a day. So I lost less on a 600 cal hi carb diet than I did on probably 2000+ Hi protein diet.

    I am going to stick this out for another month or so, but if I plateau its low carbs hi exercise again.

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    Can eating lots of red meat and eggs and eliminating carbs actually do anything to lower cholesterol? I can see that it might be a path to temporarily lower glucose levels, but it seems counterintuitive that it would lower LDL or triglycerides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigB View Post
    Can eating lots of red meat and eggs and eliminating carbs actually do anything to lower cholesterol? I can see that it might be a path to temporarily lower glucose levels, but it seems counterintuitive that it would lower LDL or triglycerides.
    There are more and more studies that show exactly that. Certainly that is the case in my own experience [see above post].

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigB View Post
    Can eating lots of red meat and eggs and eliminating carbs actually do anything to lower cholesterol? I can see that it might be a path to temporarily lower glucose levels, but it seems counterintuitive that it would lower LDL or triglycerides.
    Look up the documentary "my big fat diet"
    It does exactly that. The people who went on it

    1) Lost weight
    2) A lot got off their hi BP meds
    3) A lot got off their diabetic meds
    4) Some of them had their cholesterol go down over 30% which is way better than any drug

    It's all about insulin control. No carbs no insulin, which will lower the cholesterol.
    85% of a persons cholesterol is produced by the body anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Sinister View Post
    So because their is a high number of obese people in the USA, nutritionist are at fault. I call (to use your words) B double S.
    Did I say it was their fault? I am just saying that they are not helpful and may even be frequently wrong. Almost everyone knows that the standard advise is to eat less and eat more or less the food pyramid. Yet people are fat. Something is wrong because people are not able to do that successfully. Screw being told to be accountable. That isn't helpful. Sometimes it is even counterproductive because people feel like failures and give up.

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    I follow the Primal Blueprint which is a less strict version of the paleo diet. It is low carb (no grains or sugars, all carbs come from vegetables and limited dairy). It is similar I suspect to what you are on. The first 7-10 days were rough, very much like quiting smoking with brain fog, low energy and cravings. But after that passed I have felt so much better. Regarding riding, once my energy level came back it has been fine. I notice that the days after I commute to work (28 miles round trip) I am not nearly as sore or fatigued, so recovery is quicker.

    Whatever you do, your body will need to adjust but once it does you will be fine.

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    What about the carbs you need on long rides? Hammer and those sorts of products are full of them aren't they? So if you are on the low carb sort of diet- what do you eat on long rides? Say three hours or more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TnBama View Post
    What about the carbs you need on long rides? Hammer and those sorts of products are full of them aren't they? So if you are on the low carb sort of diet- what do you eat on long rides? Say three hours or more?
    Carbs have their place in any diet. However with high protein types of diets the protein can be converted to energy (and/or stored fat) rather than the carbs for longer rides.

    However the conversion process is not as efficient when using fat or protein for energy. Either process the body basically does not want to do. You will sometimes hear it referred to as "hitting the wall". Your body does not have glucose available and starts scavenging for other things it can use for energy. However the brain must be fed first so symptoms are accompanied by lethargy, fatigue, fogginess, etc.
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    The guy who wrote the Paleo Diet wrote another book on the Paleo Diet for Athletes to address exactly that problem. The athletes he worked with who did marathons and long bike rides simply weren't getting enough carbs into their systems after 90 minutes of exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TnBama View Post
    It's my triglycerides HDL/LDL and blood pressure. Yes my doctor suggested this diet.
    I'd suggest that another Doctors opinion my be useful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestrider View Post
    I'd suggest that another Doctors opinion my be useful
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    It never hurts to get more opinions. Really if you have any doubts ask around (don't believe me, ask me about my toe - I still have it thanks only to a second opinion).

    However lots of people have succeeded doing different low carb diets and riding. If you are riding more than 75-90 minutes you will need to fuel yourself. The whole point of the low carb diet is to limit insulin response and train the body to burn fat. But in the act of exercising, consuming carbs does not illicit a big insulin response because the carbs are directed for energy right away. If it were me and I was riding longer durations I would have no problem consuming more carbs as long as I only did it during the exercise. I would be pretty picky about what foods those carbs came from though. I am not a doctor, I am just rehashing from what I have read and experienced (I am a librarian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidwhitt View Post
    It never hurts to get more opinions. Really if you have any doubts ask around (don't believe me, ask me about my toe - I still have it thanks only to a second opinion).

    However lots of people have succeeded doing different low carb diets and riding. If you are riding more than 75-90 minutes you will need to fuel yourself. The whole point of the low carb diet is to limit insulin response and train the body to burn fat. But in the act of exercising, consuming carbs does not illicit a big insulin response because the carbs are directed for energy right away. If it were me and I was riding longer durations I would have no problem consuming more carbs as long as I only did it during the exercise. I would be pretty picky about what foods those carbs came from though. I am not a doctor, I am just rehashing from what I have read and experienced (I am a librarian)

    Dave
    This guy has it right. I have been eating only meat, vegetables, some limited amounts of fruit, and skim milk for 3 yrs now. I have lost 60lbs and I am never hungry. I ride up to 750 miles at a time, and any ride over 2 hrs I start eating carbs. Bananas, Payday candy bars, skim chocolate milk, cold pizza, cokes, or just about anything you crave or can stomach while riding. Generally the body can only digest 300 to 350 calories per hour during exercise, so take it easy, but you can be burning up to 1000 calories an hour. So the difference has to come from fat/protein stores within your body. Its been a great diet/life change for me.
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