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    Quote Originally Posted by KBentley57 View Post
    I thought I had her support 100% until I showed her the cost of even entry level road bikes
    I try to keep things in perspective and look at the cost of a road bike vs. the cost of bypass surgery.

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    Long ago, I went for a walk and my wife says, "Doesn't do any good if you only do it once a month!"
    Then I got started hiking regularly, lost a lot of weight, wife says, "Do you have to go EVERY day?"
    Moral is that some people can't be satisfied.

    So I've lost quite a bit of weight bicycling. A while back, my wife is talking and says, "I know you've lost some weight and look great but yada yada yada.." That was the first time she'd ever said anything positive about my cycling and losing weight, and it was part of a criticism. She couldn't just tell me "By the way, you look great!"

    I don't take myself too seriously, and don't get too concerned whether other people do. When you get to riding with other people, the results pretty well speak for themselves, for better or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by engstrom View Post
    I try to keep things in perspective and look at the cost of a road bike vs. the cost of bypass surgery.
    Perhaps I'll have to break that argument out! Seeing as how I'm only 25, I don't think she'll go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBentley57 View Post
    Perhaps I'll have to break that argument out! Seeing as how I'm only 25, I don't think she'll go for it.
    That's it for you, then. No new bike till you qualify for the 50+ section of the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnA42 View Post
    I am by no means prone to physical violence -- the last time I was in a fight was in the 8th grade, way back in the 70s -- but I fear what I might do if someone did that to me. I know I'd try to catch him and give him a piece of my mind. I'd probably fail, which would certainly be for the best...
    I thought about whipping out my U-lock and using it as a bludgeon to dent up his truck if I caught up to him at a light.

    Unfortunately (or fortunately, as it were), I was in the middle of the country, and there weren't traffic lights for miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBentley57 View Post
    Perhaps I'll have to break that argument out! Seeing as how I'm only 25, I don't think she'll go for it.
    If she doesn't go for it remind her of what Jacob Marley said in "A Christmas Carol" - "I wear the chain I forged in life. I made it link by link, and yard by yard;" You don't wake up one day with clogged arteries having gone to bed the night before with completely open arteries. Even in your twenties damage is being done. It's a good thing (especially for me who waited until his forties) that most of that damage can be reversed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedrek View Post
    I have no idea, I don't ride my bike to lose weight (that would be ridiculous) - that's what my diet is for.
    How is it ridiculous? You're burning calories. If you combine exercise with permanent diet modification, you lose weight faster. Last year I lost 1-2 pounds a week. Now that I'm closer to my weight loss goal it's slowed down some, but then again I've eaten a bit of junk too. If I didn't exercise I'd be gaining weight right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir View Post
    Speak of the devil... just yesterday an a**hole in a pickup screamed "FAT ASS" and threw a beer can at me. The idiot missed, but I was seriously disheartened for a while last night.

    I seriously just don't understand what possesses people in this country to think it's alright to verbally abuse and attempt to assault someone who is trying to improve their life. Sigh.
    People like that deserve to have their license revoked so they can see what life is like as a cyclist. Then other poster children for birth control can throw things at them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    if I have the same skill set/training as someone but I am 200 lbs and they are 100 lbs, they will climb faster. I am a fairly strong climber and of course, can beat some people up hills but with my friends and their abilities, it's almost impossible to hang. Basically I would have to train incredibly hard... and lose 100 lbs to achieve the same results.
    OK, now you are twisting what I quoted and my response. Originally you said "inexperienced riders", now you are making the comparison of same skill level and training.

    Then your final statement is exactly what I said "proper training" which includes "hard training".

    My response was to your statement, "can't be done", yes it can, you just choose not to do the training at this moment. Like me, I suck right now but it's cause I don't train hard. But I don't blame my weight. If I want to climb fast, I train hard, right now, I'm having fun.

    This is your original statement, had nothing to do with same skill level and training plan. FTR, I know one of the riders you mention in your post and she is totally cool. She is the type of rider that is Strong but never has she shown a mean competitive bone in her body. She's the type that will stick by your side on the toughest of climbs to help you up. A good motivational rider that I'm sure was encouraging her friend up the hill. So if she told you "good job, awesome", I'm sure she meant it in a good way. If you had to do the secret stink eye, I'm pretty sure she didn't mean any harm other than trying to motivate you. Just as I have with several riders. I've been last up the climbs with riders while encouraging them up the mountains. Being last means nothing to me vs helping out another rider. She shares the same attitude and principles so if you took it the wrong way, that's a misunderstanding on your part.

    I don't mean to start a fight with you but maybe you take some of the encouragement the wrong way. The gal you mention in your post is a totally awesome person and rider. Just as many ride mistake my intentions when I invite them up to climb GMR a newb. I ride with them and never have I dumped an invited rider to keep up with the troops vs those (fill in blank) that accuse me of eating dogs and other madness etc.

    BTW, I've offered several times to ride with you up GMR, you ought to take me up on it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    Both were strong but inexperienced riders. Both weighed barely 120 lbs. So as we "fluffy" folks know, no matter how hard we pushed, we can't climb as fast as skinny people - pure physics - can't be done.
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    About people not making nice comments about "Hey, you sure have lost weight! Looking good!" etc - I'd just as soon not hear it even if I agree with them. On the flip side, I also appreciate not hearing "Hey, you sure have gained weight! You look like ****".

    I'd rather people just get to know me and enjoy my personality without keeping tabs on what size I am and judging me on it and making little remarks. I beat myself up over that enough as it is.

    With other people, it usually takes about 60-80# difference before I notice they have changed weight.

    Regarding riding - I'd prefer to do without the cheerleading/encouraging particularly trite comments from people who don't know me. Somehow it implies to me that without their external influences, I am incapable of achieving something on my own. Just because I'm slow doesn't mean I am novice, stupid, don't try hard or don't care. I may be struggling, but it's because I want to improve and enjoy the challenge.

    One of the reasons I ride a bike is for social contact. It's just like it is in other parts of my life - sometimes enjoyable, sometimes people are a total PITB.

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    I only feel patronized and/or dismissed in one particular bike shop in this city. Unfortunately, it's the one closest to my house and the one which runs the club to which my better half belongs, so going in there once in a while is unavoidable.
    My experience with the patronizing type is, they're all rah rah rah cheerleaders until you start keeping up with them. Then they get a little nervous. When you start passing them they get hostile and start shooting you dirty looks.
    As for physical limitations, I've come to accept that I'm never going to make a 20 or 30 something with no permanent problems understand that a 50 something with permanent knee damage from a car accident is not going to be able to do certain things or will need certain equipment. They just can't visualize it. They either think that I'm just making excuses and of course I don't really need a triple crankset, or they dismiss me as being too old for cycling anyway and assume that I'm ready for a beach cruiser and very slow meanders on the MUP on Sunday mornings.

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    Along the lines of Beanz, Doohickey and Baturi, I don't think anyone has ever really taken me seriously. As a matter of fact, i hope they don't. I certainly don't. I am a fat guy having a ball in the dirt and rocks on my mountain bike. What is there to take serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jboyd View Post
    Along the lines of Beanz, Doohickey and Baturi, I don't think anyone has ever really taken me seriously. As a matter of fact, i hope they don't. I certainly don't. I am a fat guy having a ball in the dirt and rocks on my mountain bike. What is there to take serious?


    Funny, we went into an LBS yesterday looking for a new helmet. I didn't need help but the shop dude walks up and asks if I need help. OK, I'm looking at helmets in white or silver" I say.

    He says, "you're probably looking for entry level helmets and we don't have any in that color at this time".

    I get no respect I tell ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    OK, I'm looking at helmets in white or silver" I say.

    He says, "you're probably looking for entry level helmets and we don't have any in that color at this time".

    I get no respect I tell ya!
    One of these days you're going to get fed up and reply "No, I'm not looking for an entry-level helmet, I'm looking for a salesman that doesn't make dumb-*** assumptions. Ya got any of those?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by engstrom View Post
    One of these days you're going to get fed up and reply "No, I'm not looking for an entry-level helmet, I'm looking for a salesman that doesn't make dumb-*** assumptions. Ya got any of those?"
    ...

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    Worst moment for me was last August the Friday before my Sprint Tri. It's o'dark early in the office and I'm having coffee and a B.S. session with a guy I've known for close to 15 years. He asks what our weekend plans are, and I reply that I'm going to Chicago for a Sprint Triathalon. Without missing a beat, his kneejerk response is "wow, you're in no shape for that ... are you?"

    I was floored. I was already nervous about the event and wasn't sure if I was going to finish or if I was going to be the only 250lb clyde out there in a sea of stick figures. The absolute LAST thing I needed to hear was an external doubt. I cut my visit short and spent the day fretting about what he'd said.

    Turns out, I did great. On Monday morning I plopped my medal on his keyboard triumphantly. He didn't even remember making the comment, but it'd stuck with me all weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoxe View Post
    ...and I reply that I'm going to Chicago for a Sprint Triathalon.
    That's the race I'm doing! The slowest person to finish it last year was 4 hours. I *think* I can beat that. We'll see. I just want to survive.

    We had our first open water swim this morning. Getting in and out of a wetsuit is interesting. My coach took group shots of us. If he uploads them to Facebook, I'm putting itching powder in his bike shorts.

    I have made it a goal to lose 10 lbs by August 28th (the Chicago Tri this year) because my torso is so long, combined with being totally apple-shaped, that the wetsuit is just tight enough to shorten my torso a bit which is not a good thing.
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    I said Chicago, but the one I'm doing is in Naperville to the West of downtown.

    http://napervilletri.com/

    We're signed up again this year. Very well run event and I was NOT the only 250lb Clyde on the course. I finished in 1:54 and was in the bottom 30%. Hoping to improve it this year, but honestly, I'm just out for the fun of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnA42 View Post
    Some problems with that analogy:

    1) Who wins in an uphill race? I'm betting on the Fiat.

    2) You can only train your engine so far. 500 watts is about as far as anyone can get, sustained, and then you're limited by weight.

    I'm not saying that Clydes can't climb -- there are plenty of mountain goats on this forum (Hi, Beanz!) who would put the lie to that -- but you're never going to climb like one of those little Fiats.
    Fair enough. We big boys may not climb like Lance, but I think it IS fair to say that compared with the "average" rider, a clyde CAN train and become a stronger climber and all-around rider than a cyclist half their weight.
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    When I first started cycling, people I knew reminded me to be careful and not get killed. I would thank them for their votes of confidence and ride away.

    Sometimes I'm cheered by complete strangers when I pedal up a slight incline a 3 year old on a cast iron trike would calmly ride up.

    My mother begs me to get rid of my bike because she worries that psychopaths in cars will target me and mow me down.

    I've come to the conclusion only 3 people on this planet have any faith in me so I regale them with my Tales of Epic Bike Adventures! Everyone else gets a smile and a nod.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayre Kulp View Post
    Fair enough. We big boys may not climb like Lance, but I think it IS fair to say that compared with the "average" rider, a clyde CAN train and become a stronger climber and all-around rider than a cyclist half their weight.


    The problem with some people in this forum is that they don't believe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
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    The problem with some people in this forum is that they don't believe!
    I got my ass kicked yesterday by 4 relatively small hills; had to put my bike into the absolute lowest gear for the first time ever, and even that wasn't enough imo. Granted, this was at the end of a 57 mile ride, so my energy level was not as high as it probably should have been... but I definitely want to believe that one day I'll be able to kick the hills asses...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir View Post
    I got my ass kicked yesterday by 4 relatively small hills; had to put my bike into the absolute lowest gear for the first time ever, and even that wasn't enough imo. Granted, this was at the end of a 57 mile ride, so my energy level was not as high as it probably should have been... but I definitely want to believe that one day I'll be able to kick the hills asses...

    You weigh 367 pounds, rode 57 miles, and you are saying your ass got kicked! Man, you were the one kicking ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfinch View Post
    You weigh 367 pounds, rode 57 miles, and you are saying your ass got kicked! Man, you were the one kicking ass!
    Really? I always feel so intimidated on these forums... there's people who do 50 a day 5 days a week...

    I guess now's a good time to point out that my bike + gear weighed 58 pounds as well?

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    "Did people make rude, but well-meaning comments when you were starting? Did they stop as you stuck with it?"
    Okay..... with my once studly (decades ago) manly 5' 1" frame and weighing in at juuust over 250 pounds a month ago (when I bought my bike... HEY, exactly one month ago TODAY!)..... you and I are in the same boat. Add to this an age factor of fast approaching 57..... well, some people gotta joke, or as they say here in California, some people gotta hate.
    -- HOWEVER --
    I must admit that for the most part, friends and aquaintances have been pretty good. The big thing I find annoying is the typical salesman's approach/assumption..... that I'm too old, too short, too fat, not serious enough, and not smart enough to be given the time, attention, and a straight answer to my questions. With this however, I must add that I AM guilty of attempting to understand the whys, wherefors, and details with regard to EVERYTHING that leads up to a final answer.

    That being said, when I share with freinds that I bought a bicycle.... I always break the ice by telling them that I did so for the purpose of "getting out of shape". If they care, if they were actually listening, if as a freind they were particpating in the conversation..... they will respond with, "...to get OUT OF shape???" Then I tell them how I wanna trade up my round shape for something a little more aerodynamic..... I've been the one to make the joke, any smart comment on their part would pale by comparison.

    Look..... my approach to this started 6 months ago when I retired. I started walking, for as much as 7 miles daily or every other day. Then I bought a recumbant stationary bike and dumbbells; riding the bike for 30 minutes daily and resistance training 4 days a week. After that, I bought a heart rate monitor and began an interval training program 3 days a week. One month ago..... I bought a new bicycle, on which I've already ridden about 260 miles.
    Now, you would think that I may have lost some weight..... and looking tough-n-fine by now. NOT! I am however - FIT -, I have toned muscles, some endurance, good lab/blood work, healthy..... but I'm still fat. This is a mind-set, a life style change, something that works it's magic over time. And in an attempt not to make my freinds & family too uncomfortable, my weight loss is taking a back seat to exercise, stamina, wind, getting the blood to flowing, toning my muscles, getting some sun, breaking a sweat.... all the while not turning down that second glass of wine, greasy pizza, breakfast food at a local dive, or a burger.

    Something I've noticed though..... riding the bike as much as I have this last month IS resulting in weight loss. Breaking a sweat, getting some sun, feeling vibrant, and blood coursing through my veins is resulting in ordering soup, salad, and/or vegi's when given the option over some fries. Toning my muscles has resulted in improved posture, a glow of confidence, and spring in my step.

    About class warfare, "pretty people", elitists in brightly colored designer outfits and $2,000 road bikes w/drop-down bars -vs- inexpensive 'comfort' bikes..... People are gonna hate, rude people will continue to be rude, and phishing for remarks about your upcoming weekend on the bike or in an endurance race... will sometimes result in retorts. But if as a result of getting out and interacting with nature, you feel better.... about those rude folks with "well meaning" comments, joke 'em if they don't getthephuck!

    LET'S RIDE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir View Post
    Really? I always feel so intimidated on these forums... there's people who do 50 a day 5 days a week...

    I guess now's a good time to point out that my bike + gear weighed 58 pounds as well?
    Yeah, you know, I'm about 100 lbs lighter than you and I get my butt kicked on even small hills at this point - and the idea of riding more than 15 miles worries me a bit. So some of that 367 you're carrying is some pretty impressive muscles!
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