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    Juicing Reboot Experiment

    So the other night I streamed a movie from netflix, based on a reccomendation I read here somewhere. The move was Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. It follows Joe Cross, and ordinary 300lb guy who decides to only drink juice for 60 days while travelling the country. He ends up losing 80 lbs in those 60 days and seemingly fixes much of what was wrong with his health. He also meets some folks along the way, and inspires a 400lb truck driver to lose over half his body weight.

    So I figured, what the heck, I can give it a go for at least 5 days, and see where I'm at. If I feel good, am seeing progress, and have good energy levels, I may extend it further, but lets see how it goes.

    This is not really a fast, per se, it's just getting all calories from fresh uncooked fruits and vegetables and concentrating their nutrients into a juice so that you have room to take in the calories you need. Not somethign you can do long term without modification, but at my weight and the way I feel right now, it is worth a shot.

    Now I love meat, and coffee, and bread, and crunchy foods so I anticipate this will be a bit rough on me, but I plan to document my full experience here so anyone who might be interested can benefit from my lab ratishness. I'm also hoping this may help my energy levels and improve my headaches which it seems on any given work day I have a 50/50 shot at a headache and a 5-10% chance of migraine.

    So here we go. Day 1 and I'm starting off with juice made of carrot, celery, apple, and lemon. It's not bad, but I want coffee.

    Day 1
    Weight: 380.4
    Physical: Sluggish (normal) Headache (normal)
    Mental: Hopeful
    Exercise: None so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachydermatous1 View Post
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    If you don't mind me asking, how many calories have you planned for intake, and how much exercise will you be doing?

    I had gastric bypass a year ago (tomorrow is my 1 year surgiversary), and I have done several limited/liquid only diets by choice and necessity.

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    I'll not be counting calories, nor will I be restricting the amount of juice I drink. But I was curious so I input the values from the first juice of the day and looks like about 350 calories so far. They say to get 4-6 juices in per day so I'm looking at somewhere between 1200 and 2000 calories per day. (Which is more than one they feed Biggest Loser contestants.) I'll also be drinking a lot of water.

    Exercise I'll take by ear, as my energy levels dictate. I eat healthy already but have a very sedentary job and lifestyle which I have been trying to change. I don't plan on going crazy with new exercise during this (likely short) experiment. I understand it can get rough a few days in but energy gets better than normal after the first few days. If it does, I'll take advantage of that and ride more. Right now I don't get very far on the bike anyway.

    FWIW: This is what the juicing site says about calories and exercise during the reboot period:

    Will I receive enough calories?
    When we cleanse, we can refrain from calorie counting. The main goal in cleansing is to remove as much toxic residue as possible from the body. Regardless, you will not be calorie deprived, as there is an abundance of foods and juices to consume during the reboot. Even during the juice portion, you will be receiving all that you need. Remember, it is not about what we are missing, it is really about what is releasing from the body!

    Can I exercise?
    Cleansing requires energy. So does healing. It is recommended to follow what your energy levels dictate through the Reboot. Please keep this in mind, and be conservative until you know how you are reacting to the Reboot. If you feel as if you have a lot of energy, then by all means continue your NORMAL workout routine. This is not the time to amp up an exercise program. However, it is extremely important for the body to move and oxygenate.

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    If this program works for you then great, but why not just eat a healthy diet of 2,000 calories per day? Lean meats, whole grains, fruits and vegetables with limited fats (especially saturated fats) seem to provide a sustainable recipe for weight-loss.

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    Engstrom, that is the way I eat now and have been eating for a long time and it's gotten me below 400 pounds, albeit slowly. Long term it is the likely the way to go as it can be sustained. I'm trying this experiment not just for weight loss purposes, and I'm not looking at it as a diet or a even a way of life. It's just an experiment to see how I feel and if the weight loss is a side effect, then, bonus. As I understand it, it is about flooding the body with easily digestible micronutrients and detoxifying the system. I'm not advocating it actually. I don't know what it will do for me (or to me). But a week or two in the course of my life is nothing, and I'm a curious type.

    ETA: Just thinking about this: there is no way I would have ever thought or agreed to try this had I not watched that ducumentary. So I probably sound a bit off the wall. I can only say if you are unhealthy and overweight and have struggled with it your whole life like I have, you may need to watch the film first if you want any perspective about where I am coming from and why I'm trying this. If I hadn't decided to watch it, I'd be saying "whatever" to myself right now reading this stuff.
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    Fair enough - thanks for letting us know how it works for you. I'm also curious so I look forward to your future posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachydermatous1 View Post
    The main goal in cleansing is to remove as much toxic residue as possible from the body.
    What "toxic residue" are you trying to remove? Do they ever say? To me, words like "cleansing" wreak of quackery.

    I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying that their writeup sounds like pseudo-science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    What "toxic residue" are you trying to remove? Do they ever say? To me, words like "cleansing" wreak of quackery.

    I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying that their writeup sounds like pseudo-science.
    Yes, I totally agree it sounds like pseudo-science. I admit I have no idea what "toxic residue" refers to. I'm going in with an objective mindset to see how I feel and what the results are. If this involved chemicals or suppliments or whatnot, or something I needed to purchase from somebody, I would never try it. But eating suffcient amounts raw fruits, vegitables, and water for a limited time certainly can't do much harm to me. That's my theory anyway.
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    Your muscle mass might suffer a little bit, but nothing too dramatic. It definitely won't be like me: I had my bow pull set as high as it could go two weeks before my gastric bypass, and then four months later I couldn't budge it.

    I've done three or four liquid diets - clear and full. At first I feel fine, but by day five or six of protein (+ gatorade for carbs) land I feel pretty blah. It's going to be interesting to read about your experiences with juice and quackery.

    I really hope it does work out, but a word of caution: make sure you read up on everything that can go wrong with this detox and watch for the symptoms. Other than that, good luck and have fun!

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    I will be interested to see how you do, I watched that same video and bought a juicer a few days later. I have not however gone all out for a week, I am just doing diner at the moment but I do like it. The hard part for me is to juice 3 to 5 meals a day, I can't bring the juicer and the fruits and veggies with me to work and I have read that storing juice for any length of time decreases and nutritional value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachydermatous1 View Post
    Yes, I totally agree it sounds like pseudo-science. I admit I have no idea what "toxic residue" refers to. I'm going in with an objective mindset to see how I feel and what the results are. If this involved chemicals or suppliments or whatnot, or something I needed to purchase from somebody, I would never try it. But eating suffcient amounts raw fruits, vegitables, and water for a limited time certainly can't do much harm to me. That's my theory anyway.
    I did South Beach Diet with great success back in 2005, and they have a phase that could be considered "carb cleansing". You get virtually no carbs in Phase I, and according to the book, after 2-3 weeks of *not* rewarding carb cravings, your body kind of gives up and you get off that carb craving cycle of wanting to eat a sweet snack every hour or two. The author explained why that was, though, talking about the interaction between blood sugar, insulin, fat cells, etc. Cleansing isn't always pseudo-science, but if there is anything to it, there should be explanation of what it's trying to cleanse you of.

    I think I forgot to say earlier.... good luck with the diet; I hope it works for you.
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    I don't know if this relates or not, but here goes.....

    When I was near goal weight I took up a coworker's challenge to try vegetarian for a week. After two days of it I felt sluggish, and by the end of the week I was dragging. When I ended the experiment the first thing I did was run out for a turkey sandwich and the next morning I was back to normal. In other words, while veggies are nice, some of us do need animal protein.

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    Haha, when i clicked on this i expected an EPO thread.

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    Day 2
    Weight: 376.4 (First time below 380 since 2007, and I weight every day) Water weight coming off I assume.
    Physical: Late last night I developed a headache that was just short of soul crushing. It was there in the middle of the night too. Today is much better. I'm hungry but I haven't had a juice yet.
    Mental: Still hopeful but I'm already wishing the 5 days was over, lol.
    Exercise: I did some walking yesterday. Today I want to get some biking in but the rain is off and on.

    So I went to the market yesterday and bought a lot of veggies and fruits. Including some things I have never tried. I got kale, swiss chard, spinich, cabbage, parsley, sweet potato, beets, red bell and jalapeno peppers, romaine, cantalope, watermelon, tomatoes, oranges, lemons, limes, pineapple, cucumber, ginger root and some things I probably can't remember. I had a green shake last night that was reminisent of lawn clippings, but the others were ok. I need to be careful with adding too much kale becasue I don't love the taste. Most of my juices though have been green. Some of the green leafy veggies have about 45% of their calories as protein.

    Cheesburger craving is in full force, but I'm actually looking forward (a little) to getting my morning juice in, because I'm allowed a little more fruit in the morning, vs. the normal 80/20 veggie mix.

    If I hadn't started this thread I might have been tempted to bag this whole experiment by now, but I don't want to be "that guy". Besides, it's not every day that we can drop 4 lbs. That's an encouraging first sign and water weight or not, it's nice to see, as I have been averaging a pound or so off per week all year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachydermatous1 View Post
    Day 2
    Besides, it's not every day that we can drop 4 lbs.
    That's not water weight, sir. It's brain weight!

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    Even though the "cleansing" stuff is BS, I see nothing wrong with a five day juice diet to jump start a diet.

    Pachy, what is your long term eating plan? Are you going to count calories? Emphasis certain food groups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachydermatous1 View Post
    So here we go. Day 1 and I'm starting off with juice made of carrot, celery, apple, and lemon. It's not bad, but I want coffee.
    I saw that same documentary. I've been eating "mostly" healthy but was thinking I might do a juice fast just to cleanse my body. Although I fell off the wagon last week

    I started looking into a juicer. Mind sharing which one you're using and how you like it? I was looking at several single auger versions but all supposedly had issues with pulp clogging up. I'm not sure how much of the nutrients are lost in high speed juicers...

    I travel 100% so it would be hard to do while on the road. But on my current project we have long term hotel rooms so I can leave stuff there. So this is as good a time as any to start.

    Good luck and thanks for posting...

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    Long term I'll likely go back to what I was doing before, but a little stricter. I'll be eating low glycemic foods. Limiting bread, rice, pasta, etc, and making sure it is whole grains or brown rice, etc. I eat lean meats and veggies at every meal, except for breakfast which is usually 2 eggs with canadian bacon and possibly a whole wheat english muffin or slice of toast. For a giant, I swear I really eat well, and eat very little (compared to the general American populace). I wont touch fast food or processed foods, and I only hit a restaurant once every month or two. Most meals are perpared at home. I could never be picked to go on a show like Biggest Loser because I don't fit the stereotype they use of: emotionally scarred, uneducated about food or calories, and either a fast food junkie or binging on a bag of potato chips and a half-gallon of ice-cream. I've been heavy my whole life and most of that life has included eating modest amounts of good healthy food. (My childhood, not so much. But I'm 39 now...) I have to feel that making time for regular exercise will be key for me long term.

    By the way... mostly through day 2 of juice only and I'm super hungry with a slight headache. I'm already turned off of drinking my next glass. Wondering if I can last 5 days. They say it gets better after day 3 or so. We shall see. I'm also brushing my teeth like 5 times a day. I think not chewing anything is bad for them, lol.

    I've spend all day tearing apart our washing machine to replace the drum bearings so that has been my sole source of activity today. It feels like enough, given how I feel.

    Oh, and I have a Bravelle Juice Fountain. Seems to do the job. In the film they were using Bravelle Juice Fountain Plus. I have no idea what the Plus gets you, as I bought the Juice Fountain at Costco on a steal of a closeout about 5 months ago. They also make an Ikon version, and I dont know anything about that either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    What "toxic residue" are you trying to remove? Do they ever say? To me, words like "cleansing" wreak of quackery.

    I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying that their writeup sounds like pseudo-science.
    The video explains the concept of micro and macro nutrition. We as humans are really designed to eat mainly plant matter. Watch the video if you can and then see if it makes more sense.

    One thing that is stressed in the video is that you should NOT try this diet unless and until you have consulted a physician.
    humans can be so....rude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pachydermatous1 View Post
    I could never be picked to go on a show like Biggest Loser because I don't fit the stereotype they use of: emotionally scarred, uneducated about food or calories, and either a fast food junkie or binging on a bag of potato chips and a half-gallon of ice-cream.
    Also, you don't think of yourself as a victim, and don't buy into the idea that fat people are victims that require a 'village' to 'cure.'

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    This should be fun to watch.
    About like a car wreck. You know it's going to turn out bad, but you can't look away.

    I wish no ill will towards the OP. By all means I really hope it works for you.

    Yet, I know in my head, this is bound for less than a great ending.
    I really do hope you prove me wrong.

    It kind of reminds me of the person that spins on the bike 45 mins a day, in his/her health club,
    and comes out to do the MS150. It NEVER turns out well.

    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr59 View Post
    This should be fun to watch.
    About like a car wreck. You know it's going to turn out bad, but you can't look away.

    I wish no ill will towards the OP. By all means I really hope it works for you.

    Yet, I know in my head, this is bound for less than a great ending.
    I really do hope you prove me wrong.

    It kind of reminds me of the person that spins on the bike 45 mins a day, in his/her health club,
    and comes out to do the MS150. It NEVER turns out well.

    Good luck
    It's only five days.

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    Day 3 - morning
    Weight: 374.4
    Physical: Actually, I feel pretty good. I little hungry. Not a big deal.
    Mental: Not too shabby.
    Exercise: Too early to say today.

    Thanks to those following. Yes it is only 5 days and it's just fresh organic fruits and veggies. I feel you could really do a month or two (like the film) without any problems, but I'm more of a low carb guy at heart. I like meat and solid food too much. I don't feel like a victim either, although as I said I do think my diet is typically way better than the typical american diet, and my weight doesn't reflect that. For instance, I've known for a long time that sugar/sucrose/fructose is the devil and have avoided it for years. There's no magic weight loss bullet for me though. Sometimes I need to be content that I am doing the right things (eating wise) and I'll be healthier for it, irregardless of the weight lost.

    So car wreck or no, take what you will from this. I'm doing it for me, but posting here as a service to anyone else who is curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfinch View Post
    It's only five days.

    That's what the people spinning in the health club say.
    It's only...

    I hope all you guys/gals don't believe everything you see on tv.
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    Wow.

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