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Old 09-01-11, 06:18 PM   #1
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Today on the MUP--teach your children well

I am in Ashland, Wisconsin today and biking along the trail that circles the town. In a more isolated area of the trail I came upon a boy of about 12 or 13. I could see him from a distance. At first I saw him stopped, staring at his bike. The on his bike, pedaling backwards. Then off. I came up and asked if something was wrong with his bike. Yup. He was holding back the tears--he was several miles from home and his bike would not go forward. His chain was off track. I showed him how to put the chain back on but you still couldn't turn the crank. After staring at it for a while I saw that his rear wheel had come loose and was out of its mount. After a bunch of fussing I got his rear wheel on. Thankfully it had a quick release. I showed him how that worked and how it was important that the wheel be on the bike solid and that it should take some effort to move the quick release lever.

We ran through the gears and all worked well. He said thanks about a dozen times, got on his bike and blew past me for home. I wiped my incredibly greasy hands off on the grass and headed back to the motorhome.

Even though I am sure that I am preaching to the choir, parents need to teach their kids at least some basic things about how bikes work. His bike wasn't a POS, it was a Trek, a nice bike. But someone didn't put the wheel on properly and he had no idea about how a wheel goes on and no idea about how to put a chain back on.
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Be kind of funny if he had just ripped it off and you helped him get away!

Reason I mention this is that one of the tricks trying to deter bike thieves is loosening the rear wheel so they can't get very far.
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Be kind of funny if he had just ripped it off and you helped him get away!

Reason I mention this is that one of the tricks trying to deter bike thieves is loosening the rear wheel so they can't get very far.
Now that is funny! He was in the middle of nowhere and was a step away from crying, so I hope I didn't help a thief. . .
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Now that is funny! He was in the middle of nowhere and was a step away from crying, so I hope I didn't help a thief. . .
But I have to pat you on the back for being able to get yourself out of a jam should it occur. I've stood there, and had to jump in after watching grown men struggle holding back tears!
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Provided that it wasn't a stolen bike
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Old 09-01-11, 07:58 PM   #6
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Well done Goldfinch. And you're right that parents need to teach their kids a thing or two about bicycle maintenance. It's not like they have to read a Zinn book cover to cover before they're let out on their bikes.
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I help out when I can as well, hoping that it will came back to me someday when I need a hand.

I'm in Milwaukee but was just way up your way in Superior, WI for work for about 3 days. I love it up there, most likely I will retire up that way somewhere, I really love my yearly vacation to Rhinelander. Never want to go home.
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Good for you OP. That kid will remember your kindness for years...

Strange though - kids today - when I was a kid I stripped and rebuilt my bike on a weekly basis. Then again my Dad was always there if I got stuck
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It's sad to have to worry about this, but I would be a bit worried about approaching a kid that way. I've seen a lot of false accusations of child molesting, or even just misunderstanding about intentions. Hopefully there were plenty of other riders around who could see that nothing bad was going on.
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It's sad to have to worry about this, but I would be a bit worried about approaching a kid that way. I've seen a lot of false accusations of child molesting, or even just misunderstanding about intentions. Hopefully there were plenty of other riders around who could see that nothing bad was going on.
No one else around. I'll take the risk. The bigger risk may be that he would steal this older woman's bike and ride away. My bike would have fit him about perfect. But it didn't cross my mind and I am glad.
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Good for you OP. That kid will remember your kindness for years...

Strange though - kids today - when I was a kid I stripped and rebuilt my bike on a weekly basis. Then again my Dad was always there if I got stuck
When I learned to drive my dad taught me how to check oil, change the oil and filter and how to change a tire. I even learned how to check spark plugs, how carburetors work (not that this is relevant anymore) and other car stuff. With my bike I knew how the gearing worked and could deal with chain issues. I never had to change a tire on my bike as a kid, it never had a flat. Nor did my sibling's tires. I find it odd that I have yet to change a bike tire. But I know how. And I carry the kit.
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It's sad to have to worry about this, but I would be a bit worried about approaching a kid that way. I've seen a lot of false accusations of child molesting, or even just misunderstanding about intentions. Hopefully there were plenty of other riders around who could see that nothing bad was going on.
Agreed, which is why I would have my ContourHD camera on at all times during the interaction, so I would have proof that nothing happened.

It's really sad that as a society we've gotten to a point where just helping out fellow human beings is now a risky endeavour.
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Nude maintenance--sounds dangerous. Especially...

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...if I got stuck
Seriously, kahrma points to the OP. I enjoy stopping to help, too. Lots of people ride without a pump or a spare tube, which makes little sense to me.
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The bigger risk may be that he would steal this older woman's bike and ride away.
I didn't reall want to mention this (too many Debbie Downer posts) but a couple years back, riders were on a local trail acting as if they needed aid. When a rider would stop to help, someone from behind popped them in the head then stole their bikes. Be careful out there.
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It's sad to have to worry about this, but I would be a bit worried about approaching a kid that way. I've seen a lot of false accusations of child molesting, or even just misunderstanding about intentions. Hopefully there were plenty of other riders around who could see that nothing bad was going on.
A post I made a few months ago:

During my ride Sunday afternoon, I saw an eight year old boy standing at the end of his driveway. He approached me as I neared his home.

"Mister, did you see an IPhone?"

I said I had seen something on the road, back a few hundred feet. I turned around and rode back to get it. The little boy followed me. I retrieved it, handed it to the boy, and began to ride away. As I was doing so, a van pulled up across the street. A man started yelling at the boy "I told you to not wander off. Get in the car now. I told you to never talk to strangers."

What I wonder is:

- why does an 8 year old have an IPhone?
- why isn't an 8 year old allowed to walk a couple of hundred feet from his front door in an upscale housing development on a sunny Sunday afternoon?
- why does the father need to get in a car to drive a couple of hundred feet to retrieve his child?

BTW, one reason the boy approached me is that he'd seen me ride by earlier. He was walking with who I assume was his sister and father. Also, I've been riding through there for four years, and live less than a half mile away. It's not like I'm a stranger to people in the neighborhood.

I can't help but think of my own childhood, five decades ago. I didn't ride a bike, but we were allowed to play in the street, on neighbors lawns, at friends' homes, in the woods...... what happened?
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Getting a little off topic, but I love my neighborhood. We have 4-5 block parties a year. This weekend will be one of them. I know all of them. I don't worry about my kids going anywhere around here. They all help keep an eye on them. I could leave town and call my next door neighbor (who has my house key) and tell him to keep an eye on things and not worry. I think our society is losing this and its sad.
The thought of being accused of something bad or being robbed would never have enterd my mind.
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A post I made a few months ago:

During my ride Sunday afternoon, I saw an eight year old boy standing at the end of his driveway. He approached me as I neared his home.

"Mister, did you see an IPhone?"

I said I had seen something on the road, back a few hundred feet. I turned around and rode back to get it. The little boy followed me. I retrieved it, handed it to the boy, and began to ride away. As I was doing so, a van pulled up across the street. A man started yelling at the boy "I told you to not wander off. Get in the car now. I told you to never talk to strangers."

What I wonder is:

- why does an 8 year old have an IPhone?
- why isn't an 8 year old allowed to walk a couple of hundred feet from his front door in an upscale housing development on a sunny Sunday afternoon?
- why does the father need to get in a car to drive a couple of hundred feet to retrieve his child?

BTW, one reason the boy approached me is that he'd seen me ride by earlier. He was walking with who I assume was his sister and father. Also, I've been riding through there for four years, and live less than a half mile away. It's not like I'm a stranger to people in the neighborhood.

I can't help but think of my own childhood, five decades ago. I didn't ride a bike, but we were allowed to play in the street, on neighbors lawns, at friends' homes, in the woods...... what happened?

Not even remotely unusual.

A couple of years ago, I received a call from a neighbor who has kids around the same age as mine ( they were around 6 & 8 ) at the time. She was complaining that my kids were "wandering the streets without supervision". Where were they? Going 300 yards around the corner. On our cul-de-sac. To visit some other friends. In a neighborhood that hasn't had a crime in 50 years.

Don't even get me started on the comments I've heard about letting my kids ride their bikes around the neighborhood...
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I always slow down and ask "Everything ok?" if I see a rider who looks like they're in trouble. Not that I'm really able to help with most problems that could come up, but...

Anyway, I saw this lady and her young ( ~4 year old ) kid struggling with a bike at one of my favorite parks. She said his jacket was stuck in the wheel. In reality, it was snagged on the rear brake. The mother had been pulling and pulling at it... So I opened the quick release on the brake, unhooked the jacket, and gave it back to them. They were thrilled it wasn't torn. But they tried to take off before I could redo the brake. "Um ... hold on a minute. We undid the brake. If we don't fix that, his stopping power is going to suffer, and he will, too." I showed them how it worked, but they (especially the mother) looked like deer caught in the headlights. I was just happy to get them on their way without causing a bigger problem than I was trying to solve.
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I showed them how it worked, but they (especially the mother) looked like deer caught in the headlights. I was just happy to get them on their way without causing a bigger problem than I was trying to solve.
I once helped a woman in the mountains fix a flat. She had no idea what she was doing. I started the procedure explaining that if she had plans on returning on this somewhat isolated ride, she should know how to get herself back.

I leaned over and started the process with some instruction. She had a very sexy voice I soon found out. She muttered in a soft low voice, "Uh hu! uh huh! Yes, uh hu! Yeeeah, uh huh! Just like that! Yeah, just like that! Uh huh uh huh, oh yeah!"

Needless to say, I had a problem returning my upright position after I was done. darn spandex!

I swear this is a true story!
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That's awesome ... sounds like a Penthouse Forum story! LOL
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I once helped a woman in the mountains fix a flat. She had no idea what she was doing. I started the procedure explaining that if she had plans on returning on this somewhat isolated ride, she should know how to get herself back.

I leaned over and started the process with some instruction. She had a very sexy voice I soon found out. She muttered in a soft low voice, "Uh hu! uh huh! Yes, uh hu! Yeeeah, uh huh! Just like that! Yeah, just like that! Uh huh uh huh, oh yeah!"

Needless to say, I had a problem returning my upright position after I was done. darn spandex!

I swear this is a true story!
So, uh, which mountains exactly?

BRB, have to go to the hardware store and get a box of tacks.
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So, uh, which mountains exactly?

BRB, have to go to the hardware store and get a box of tacks.
GMR (Mt Baldy). You'd have to climb 3000 feet to get there.
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It is a shame people are so lazy these days, but then I guess that's why I'm no longer the super skinny person I once was too.
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That's awesome ... sounds like a Penthouse Forum story! LOL
I could make a video to recreate the sound effects but my voice ain't all that sexy!

Scary thing is that some of the guys here might like it!...........
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I once helped a woman in the mountains fix a flat. She had no idea what she was doing. I started the procedure explaining that if she had plans on returning on this somewhat isolated ride, she should know how to get herself back.

I leaned over and started the process with some instruction. She had a very sexy voice I soon found out. She muttered in a soft low voice, "Uh hu! uh huh! Yes, uh hu! Yeeeah, uh huh! Just like that! Yeah, just like that! Uh huh uh huh, oh yeah!"

Needless to say, I had a problem returning my upright position after I was done. darn spandex!

I swear this is a true story!
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