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    Help me decide what I am saving for...

    Looking at a few different options but am open to more...

    What do you think?

    Cannondale CAAD10 - 5
    http://www.cannondale.com/2012/bikes...10-5-105-20093

    Giant Defy 1
    http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/...fy/9014/48853/

    Trek 2.1
    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes...d_1_series/2_1

    Jamis Ventura Race
    http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...race_spec.html

    Fuji Roubaix 1.0
    http://www.fujibikes.com/bike/details/roubaix-10-usa2

    If there are any you feel are worth looking into, let me know - I am open to suggestions. I am also of the mindset that I will need to build some better wheels than what is provided on most of these bikes...already considering that into my budget.
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    I was looking at relaxed geo bikes in this price range, when a salesman asked me to ride a trek Madone 4.5. For riding on oil and chip roads the damping of carbon was worth the extra price.

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    I don't know any of those bikes well enough to comment, but I'm curious about this:

    Quote Originally Posted by phlydude View Post
    If there are any you feel are worth looking into, let me know - I am open to suggestions. I am also of the mindset that I will need to build some better wheels than what is provided on most of these bikes...already considering that into my budget.
    Are you budgeting for lighter wheels, or stronger ones? What do you mean by better? If durability is what you're after, unless you plan to sell these the day you get your bike, you might want to think about riding them until they give you more trouble than they're worth, to get your money out of them. I suspect that wheel problems aren't always as severe as people make them out to be, especially if you ride a road bike the way most people do, eg avoiding potholes and the like. I'm not saying they'll last forever, but if you can put off buying a hubset and spokes for a year...
    Don't believe everything you think.

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    Giant Defy rocks!!! You will love it. If you want to give mine a spin, you are more then welcome to. It is amazing and there is a great giant dealership close by in NJ.

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    First, the Cannondale you mentioned is a full-on race geometry while the others (with the possible exception of the Fuji - I'm not sure about it) are more or less relaxed or "endurance" geometries. If you want to consider an apples-to-apples Cannondale, you might look at the Synapse. They're all nice bikes, though I don't have any first-hand experience with the Fuji. They're going to be more similar than different. Ride them all and buy the one that speaks to you.

    You might also consider the Felt Z85 and the Raleigh Revenio 3.
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    If you are a big guy, I'd pass onthe Trek alum frame. As much as I like the fit of a Trek and my Lemond, the alum frame was not OS and flexy under power. My Lemond was similar in size and design. I didn't stand on it for that reason. I could feel the flex and hear the chains sway into the derailleur cage. Frame popped after 3 years and 13,000 miles. Comfy but flexy under me at 230 lbs.

    But then again, lifetime warranty, I've been upgraded to a much better frame after 2 broken aluminum area frame snaps.

    Get a frame with a big BB area with OS tubing.

    The carbon frame on my new Madone is huge and it doesn't flex.

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    I got my 2012 Trek Madone 3.1 all carbon for $1675, so maybe it is in your range?
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    I'm in the same boat as the OP.

    I test rode a Giant Defy 2 today. Loved it. Now all I need to do is decide whether or not to drop the extra $200 on the Defy 1. I want to try the Felt Z85, but the closest dealer is 70 miles away.

    OP: What do you ride now, and what do you like/not like about it? I was also looking at the CAAD10 5. But I'm trying to get away from such aggressive geometry. My current bike, a '93 Specialized Allez has me too stretched out, and gets uncomfortable after about 2 1/2 hours in the saddle. Too much weight on my hands, so my hands, wrists, neck, and shoulders feel pretty wrecked after a long ride. I really WANT to like the CAAD10 5, because it's freakin' awesome. But it's just not the bike for me. The LBS didn't have the Synapse 6 in stock. He recommended the Defy over the Synapse anyway.

    There are too many options in the endurance/comfort road bike category. It's overwhelming... but I really liked the Defy.

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    Thanks for the replies so far guys...I appreciate it.

    Isaac - I knew you were going to come at me with Giant so I already put that in the anticipated responses

    Just to give you some more background on me...
    just a hair under 6' with longer torso than legs (wear a 30" inseam) - I currently weigh 300 lbs - by the time I buy the road bike, I expect to be 275 or lower as a result of the weight loss that comes from the gastric bypass procedure I had earlier this year

    As far as the wheels, I am always hearing more spokes, more spokes, 32h or 36h wheels / rims - I was looking at DT Swiss TK540 rims and Shimano Ultegra 6700 hubs - based on the best prices I have found so far, I figure no more than $450 to get the parts and have the LBS build the set for me.

    Craig - thanks for the info on the Cannondale...I didn't realize the geometry was different on the CAAD10 compared to the Synapse. I only started looking at the CAAD series because my LBS had a sale on them CAAD10 5 was $1200 this weekend and that is where I figured would be the $$$ number to be around - so I started looking for bikes in that range.

    But as far as the budget goes, I wanted to keep the bike purchase under $1500 where possible but I also understand that it is better to buy good now instead of trying to upgrade components later - I am saving for this bike so I won't pull the trigger until I have enough funds and the funds are coming in waves as I get rid of my old clothes on eBay (you'd be amazed at what 5-6XL clothing goes for).

    I currently ride a Trek Navigator 1.0 - Isaac was kind and called it a mountain bike...oh no, it is a recreation bike at best and built for comfort, not so much for speed.
    I am looking to a road bike because, while I love the Navigator, it just is not the right bike to do 20+ mile rides on with a group on C/C+ rides - I went out with a few folks (Isaac being one of them) and found on hills, the bike was too heavy and didn't let me get the power down the way I wanted and on the straights, just isn't geared to keep up with those riding @ 17-20MPH. I want to do more of these longer distance rides and not just the 10 miles I do for recreation around the neighborhood and park - I feel a road bike will allow me to do that.
    ~Dennis
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    I just went through this 2 months ago and rode 3 of those mentioned, Defy, Caad10, and Jamis Race. My dealer carried all 3 and I was sold on the caad10-5 after riding, it just felt fast and light and my past bikes were cannondale mtn. The roadies on my local MUP kept whizzing by me on my hybrid and I decided I wanted fast. The caad10 is fast but the motor still needs work.
    The other reason is I wanted an endurance bike for long rides, the caad10-5 is more for racing but I have taken it on a century with no ill regrets. For 1300 bucks I got a lot of bike at 18.00 pounds stock (56cm) and so far I am really happy with my choice, well, except the color. The stock wheels were holding up well until I put my chain in the spokes, my fault. I was nervous about he rs10 spoke count but they held up really good for 700 miles, no problems except aforementioned.
    Clyde at 6 ft/225
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    phly: now.... I didnt want to persuade you..... more like an excuse to go WITH you when you go to the Giant store in which I might just need to pick something up.............. Did I mention I have a truck that can hall four bikes? just sayin.....

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    now just remember, I will be buying in DE - there is tax free purchases here (and on a $1500 bike, that adds up!)

    You negelcted to see that I have a BIGGER truck than you do
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    phly: great. So I will ride with you to the bike shop!

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    count on it!
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    LBS moved and is running a raffle at their new shop...
    The prize, a Cannondale CAAD10 5

    A free bike would be a GREAT start of the holiday season. Drawing is on 11/13 at end of the day.

    Keeping fingers crossed!
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    Have you looked at the Fujis and Scattantes at PB near the hospital? They have some carbon frames with 105 components for $1200, could be less now. Many of the name-brand bikes are made by the same manufacturer. Could be worth looking into if you want to get the most for your money.

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    green: he is getting a giant. Cant you read inbetween the lines?


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    If you are open to suggestions, here is one:

    Build up your own bike. As you move toward your weight goal, hunt for parts for the best bargain. Figure out what component groups you want, and start deal shopping over the winter. At the end of the day, there is very little as satisfying as riding a bike that you individually selected all the pieces on.

    And this makes even more sense if you know you want specific wheels. Don't drop money to the OEM on wheels you don't want, even if they are not expensive. Get what you want once.

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    Green,
    I was in Performance Bike last Friday checking out their jerseys and how the sizing was (wound up getting Falconi jerseys from Love2Pedal - Hi-Viz yellow - NICE) and the store was empty except for me and the two guys working there...they were trying to push everything I glanced at down my throat. Looking at the bikes on display would have kept me there even longer (and my wife was at the mall wondering how long I was going to keep her waiting). I will have to go back and check them out.

    Roll,
    I thought about it...but I have decided against it for now. Next bike will be a project...this one will be off the shelf (and as was suggested, I will try the wheels that come on it and see how they hold up)

    Craig,
    Looked at the Felt Z85...EMS is a dealer but don't seem to carry any (either online or in my store), 2 other dealers in my state, with one being an hour away. I will keep them on the list...in that regard - for a couple $$$ more, the Z6 looks like an affordable carbon option - thoughts?
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    phly:

    Here is a suggestion (I heard thos from a mechanic that works at my local REI bike shop): When you find a bike you like, ask if they have it broken down and in the box. Push for it actually. Then ask if you can help put it together.

    This is an awesome suggestion by the REI guy because you would learn sooo much.

    Wish you could be there with us today riding. Should be a good ride. The hills will kill me.

    You going with us next saturday? We are going to ride and then catch a bike maintance class. You are more then welcome to join us.

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    When you get back, please send details on next week's ride...didn't see anything on that yet
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    We will. We will be riding later in the day and then hitting a maintance class from 6 to 8 pm. if you would like to go, let us know. I will have jim d send out info.

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    I just tried out a CAAD10 5. Oh my.
    Phlydude, try the CAAD10 5.

    I went to the LBS to decide between the Giant Defy 1 or 2 and put one on layaway. The salesman suggested I try the CAAD10.

    Phlydude, try the CAAD10 5!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phlydude View Post
    Looked at the Felt Z85...EMS is a dealer but don't seem to carry any (either online or in my store), 2 other dealers in my state, with one being an hour away. I will keep them on the list...in that regard - for a couple $$$ more, the Z6 looks like an affordable carbon option - thoughts?
    The Z6 is a nice carbon bike, but whether you'd like it or not depends on whether you think going with a Tiagra drivetrain is a worthwhile tradeoff for getting a carbon frame. I've ridden both, and while they're each nice bikes, I'm not a fan of Tiagra brifters. But that's me. YMMV.
    Craig in Indy

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    Yeah, I have heard a lot more bad about Tiagra than I have good...wanted to go 105 or better.

    Burglar, I saw it and it is a nice bike...LBS is doing a drawing this weekend for one so my wife and I are both going to enter for a chance to win it. It would be nice to get a bike gratis and have the $250 or so I've saved so far for other gear
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