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Old 11-07-11, 10:26 AM   #1
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November hill challenge: 10,000 vertical feet per month

This thread discriminates against flatlanders.

We've had a running mileage challenge in this forum, with people doing as much as 500 miles per month in the summer, and a 100 to 300 mile challenge for November, seeing as how it's getting dark, cold, and rainy in some places. But we haven't had a hill climbing challenge, and now we do.

I tried to pick a number that's reasonable, something folks can do, but also a number that will make people sweat a bit. Of course, if you don't like it, you can pick your own goal; if you do, reply with what you're shooting for. People can post updates in this thread as the month goes on.

Who's in?

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Not bad! I often think about the lack of elevation gain in mileage threads. 40 miles with 5,000 ft is a little different than 40 miles with 200 feet. Some riders may argue but figure, if every ride had 5,000 feet, not every rider would complete the ride. One year I had a mileage competition with another rider. Every ride was totally flat while 6 months of my riding was training for a climbing century. So twice midweek rides were 20 miles with 2000 ft and the weekend ride could be anywhere from 40-60 miles with 5,000-7000 feet.

I had 6300 miles with God knows how many feet of gain (maybe 40,000 per month for 6 months) and he had about 6350 miles with maybe a total of 6000 ft for the entire year.

So I for one will appreciate the thread.

I won't set any goals because it varies but I will try for at least 10,000 feet. Might even get Gina up there.

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Gina--------2300 feet (16 miles)

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I've got about 6,500 feet of climbing in so far, for November. I did about 3,200 of them Saturday, and about 1,600 yesterday (haven't uploaded that one).

Unfortunately a lot of the mountain roads will be closing soon, and they're already getting wet, cold, and kind of unpleasant to bike. So my climbing will be mostly local. But on the other hand, everything is up hill in Seattle.
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I'm in until it gets to cold if I don't buy better clothing. I'll put it down the same as my Strava KOM goal which is 5000 feet. Anything more is going to be hard for me do to cold weather, holidays, and it getting dark before I can get home.
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BTW, I only count climbing rides. Should I count flat rides that give maybe 1200 feet over 40 miles? That would give me about 8,000 every month on flat rides only.
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How's 30,000 for a low estimate sound?
My commute has nearly 2000' daily, and I try to ride in 4x/week. I've got 6000' so far for riding in the 1st - 3rd.
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This thread discriminates against flatlanders.

We've had a running mileage challenge in this forum, with people doing as much as 500 miles per month in the summer, and a 100 to 300 mile challenge for November, seeing as how it's getting dark, cold, and rainy in some places. But we haven't had a hill climbing challenge, and now we do.

I tried to pick a number that's reasonable, something folks can do, but also a number that will make people sweat a bit. Of course, if you don't like it, you can pick your own goal; if you do, reply with what you're shooting for. People can post updates in this thread as the month goes on.

Who's in?
Ok, I'll bite on this one. My last time on the bike will be exactly one month ago tomorrow, the eighth. I will put my goal up as 20,000 feet. That is only 8 rides for me. A little over 2,500 feet to the top of the hill from the driveway. I can add more on days I go a little bit further towards Baldy Village. Have had physical issues with the knees the last week, but hoping they will feel better in a day or two. This is something I can enjoy getting into.
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Come on Fred. That's only going up GMR 3 times. Piece of cake for the two of you.
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I'm in until it gets to cold if I don't buy better clothing. I'll put it down the same as my Strava KOM goal which is 5000 feet. Anything more is going to be hard for me do to cold weather, holidays, and it getting dark before I can get home.
Last week I went to visit a friend, to get some advice about keeping the stuff I've planted alive through the winter, when to put what kinds of bulbs in the ground, etc. Even with gloves on, I almost got freezer burn on my hands on the way home! Thank goodness for hills. They're a good way to warm up.

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BTW, I only count climbing rides. Should I count flat rides that give maybe 1200 feet over 40 miles? That would give me about 8,000 every month on flat rides only.
Yep; Every foot (or meter if you prefer) that you climb on your bike this month counts toward your total.
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Yep; Every foot (or meter if you prefer) that you climb on your bike this month counts toward your total.
Do 4 laps on the CX course with a 20' runup count as 80' towards my total even though I'm carrying my bike?
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Given the rapidly waning daylight and the looming approach of snow, I doubt I will make it. But I'm game.

11/1 - 761 feet (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/125754847 and http://connect.garmin.com/activity/125898955)
11/2 - 561 feet (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/125995584 and http://connect.garmin.com/activity/126100014)
11/4 - 742 feet (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/126371982 and http://connect.garmin.com/activity/126462263)
11/5 - 66 feet (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/126596056)
11/6 - 1,312 feet (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/127012682)
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3,442/10,000 (34%)

At this point I will probably no longer tackle any hilly rides, for fear of getting stuck somewhere when it's freezing cold, but come March or April, I'll be integrating much hillier rides into my normal routine.
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Do 4 laps on the CX course with a 20' runup count as 80' towards my total even though I'm carrying my bike?
Just kidding.
That's a tough one, and, ultimately, up to you. I'd say no, that only elevation you've climbed while riding your bike counts. But cyclocross is hell in the rain. CX is like HTFU without the steroids, so CXers get to play by their own rules. It's not that you just didn't feel like climbing the hill...
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Come on Fred. That's only going up GMR 3 times. Piece of cake for the two of you.
No doubt I wil make the 10,000, Im just saying I won't set an ele-goal as it varies month to month.
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Yep; Every foot (or meter if you prefer) that you climb on your bike this month counts toward your total.
Cool, might be motivation to get a Garmin soon.
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There are garmin 305's on ebay for $120 shipped Beanz.

You are an animal with a commute like that Clifton...do you do it on the fisti?

I have 4166 so far this month so i guess i am in.
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There are garmin 305's on ebay for $120 shipped Beanz. .
Thanks!I haven't put a computer on my Trek yet, still looking for a plan. Buy computer, then a Garmin month a later? Use old puter then a Garmin later?...I think too much but if all goes well this week, I'll be set..
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So if your ride is 50 miles with 5000 feet of climbing, and you end up where you started.
That means 25 miles of torture and 25 miles of gliding right?

But the climb takes >2 hours and the descent takes <1.
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So if your ride is 50 miles with 5000 feet of climbing, and you end up where you started.
That means 25 miles of torture and 25 miles of gliding right?

But the climb takes >2 hours and the descent takes <1.
I knew someone would bring it up.

I get lots of flat centuries are easy as 10,000 ft climbing centuries. Hm, there must be a reason 10,000 people register for a flat century and only 400 for a climbing century.

OK, half is downhill but guess what, if you don't make it to the top of the 60 mile 10,000 ft climb, you aint making it.

Not everybody can and there are a lot more that can do a flat century but not a climbing century.



2 hours to Baldy Village, 1 hour descent. If I send out an invitation in this forum to do the village with me how many do you think will accept or even respond to the invite?

If I send out an invite to do a 70 miler on the bike trail, guess how many will accept the invite?

Now compare answers and ask yourself why?

I've seen some posters in this forum claim they are prepping for a climbing century, how many have gone through with it? If I remember correctly, some dude claiming his new carbon bike and lite wheels were great for climbing but yet he backed out too.

Half is up and half is down, why do they back out, because it's tougher.

I can do a 40 mile flat ride in 2:10...it takes me 3:20 to do 40 with 5,000 feet of climbing. Are you telling me the 5000 feet was just as easy or fast?


I know guys that can do a 5 hour century yet it takes them 8 to do a century with 10,000 feet, hm wonder why?
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You are an animal with a commute like that Clifton...do you do it on the fisti?
The Fisticuff will be my ice/snow bike, should we get snow this year. It's the one that can clear a fatty set of 29ers, so I can throw a nice pair of 45 or 47mm spikers on it and not worry about my traction. I've done the commute multiple times on that bike with a pair of 38mm WTB All-Terrains on there over the summer.

My typical ride for the commute is either the '88 Trek 400 singlespeed (44/17 gearing) or the decked out '08 Cross Check singlespeed (44/18 gearing).
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In....this month is all climbing, distance second.

11/05 - 2300 (16 miles)
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11/05 - 2300 (16 miles)
Good training for you. We're dong the village on Dec 4th Sunday, 5000 ft climb.
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I knew someone would bring it up.

I get lots of flat centuries are easy as 10,000 ft climbing centuries. Hm, there must be a reason 10,000 people register for a flat century and only 400 for a climbing century.

OK, half is downhill but guess what, if you don't make it to the top of the 60 mile 10,000 ft climb, you aint making it.

Not everybody can and there are a lot more that can do a flat century but not a climbing century.



2 hours to Baldy Village, 1 hour descent. If I send out an invitation in this forum to do the village with me how many do you think will accept or even respond to the invite?

If I send out an invite to do a 70 miler on the bike trail, guess how many will accept the invite?

Now compare answers and ask yourself why?

I've seen some posters in this forum claim they are prepping for a climbing century, how many have gone through with it? If I remember correctly, some dude claiming his new carbon bike and lite wheels were great for climbing but yet he backed out too.

Half is up and half is down, why do they back out, because it's tougher.

I can do a 40 mile flat ride in 2:10...it takes me 3:20 to do 40 with 5,000 feet of climbing. Are you telling me the 5000 feet was just as easy or fast?


I know guys that can do a 5 hour century yet it takes them 8 to do a century with 10,000 feet, hm wonder why?
Well I'm a flatlander so I don't get much climbing. But the wind is usually 15-20mph and many days the gusts can be well over 30.
I have seen 300+ watts on my powertap at <10mph.
Some gusts have almost stopped me in my tracks. Wind might not be as tough as hills but it is still a b****.
The problem with wind is it is always a headwind
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The problem with wind is it is always a headwind

I've done centuries with high winds. Yeah, the wind does end. Sorry man, 30 mph? We ride in Santa Ana. Santa Ana winds?

Sorry man, but we ride mtns and wind, both end if you can tough em out.

I eat wind for breakfast!


The complex topography of the San Gabriel and San Bernardino mountain ranges forces the descending, seaward moving air through many passes and canyons, one of which is the Santa Ana Canyon. The Santa Ana winds reaching the Los Angeles Basin and San Diego County typically blow from the north to east and can reach high speeds. Local National Weather Service forecasters usually hold off calling winds Santa Ana winds until their speed exceeds 25 knots (28 mph / 46 km/h). Forcing the air through mountain gaps may further increase the wind speed. Therefore, Santa Ana winds may blow at sustained speeds of 40 mph (65 km/h) with gusts of 70 mph (112 km/h) and at times reaching 115 mph (185 km/h).

http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weathe...6/alm06sep.htm

Wind is typical on our rides. Here is one with 30-40 winds. Yeah, after 30 miles, the wind died down. Even my wife rides in the wind.

check out the trees in the ride portion of the video



A climbing ride 2300 ft 30 miles up Cajon Pass with 30 mph winds..check out my wife's hair




42 flat miles with 30-40 mph winds. check out her hair, palm trees, and sand in the air.

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is this uphill or downhill?

down is cool.

i can do down. i like down.
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