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    Quote Originally Posted by Myosmith View Post
    Don't even think about a WalMart bike. It won't hold up. My suggestion, being a big guy and a former even bigger guy, is to look at a 700c touring or cyclocross frame with 36-spoke wheels and fairly wide double wall rims that will easily take a 32+ mm wide tire (you will also have to check frame clearance for wider tires). Stay away from very narrow rims or spoke counts below 32. Touring and cyclocross frames are generally a bit sturdier and have more tire clearance so you can run wider tires appropriate for trail riding that will still be comfortable and reasonably fast on the road. If you really want to do more offroad then you might want to look into a 29r hardtail, but still stay away from the low end bikes sold at the megastores.

    This is exactly what I did. Went for a fully customized Surly Long Haul Trucker touring frame. 36 spoke double wall rims, 40mm tires. Couldn't be happier.

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    I wouldn't mind doing that if I could get a frame cheap enough. Ideally I'd like a road/cyclocross bike, but for a new one it's more than something like the Roam and I haven't been able to find something in my size on Craigslist. Today I was able to find a couple KHS frames (Flite 500 and Flite 700) that are 58cm (which I think is L-XL). Both are $100 but I don't know if I'd be able to get the rest of hte parts I need for ~$400.

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    Even if the bike shop doesn't collect the tax you owe the tax. In case you didn't know.

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    I believe the the Roam will serve you well. The cyclocross frame, wheels and other components will cost considerably more than the roam. Been there, spent that. The CX bike might be lighter and a bit faster, but is speed your main concern? The Roam will help you get in shape and lose weight, which is the ultimate goal. It's strong enough to handle your weight and affordable.

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    a) you can call your bank and get a temporary increase in your withdrawal limit. I do it more often than my wife likes.
    b) They're giving you a cash discount - they pay the sales tax, not you the consumer, even though you usually provide the money to do so. I don't know what sales tax is in your area but it only makes sense if the sales tax approximates a credit card charge fee (usually 2-3% depending). Anything beyond that and something fishy is going on.
    c) in any case, get a written sales receipt for warranty purposes or frankly, just because it's a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfinch View Post
    Even if the bike shop doesn't collect the tax you owe the tax. In case you didn't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    a) you can call your bank and get a temporary increase in your withdrawal limit. I do it more often than my wife likes.
    b) They're giving you a cash discount - they pay the sales tax, not you the consumer, even though you usually provide the money to do so. I don't know what sales tax is in your area but it only makes sense if the sales tax approximates a credit card charge fee (usually 2-3% depending). Anything beyond that and something fishy is going on.
    c) in any case, get a written sales receipt for warranty purposes or frankly, just because it's a good idea.

    Yeah, I should have worded that differently. If I pay cash, they will pay the sales tax (which is ~10%). Unfortunately though, I will probably have to wait til next weekend to get to the shop. I have midterms/exams Tuesday and Thursday and have a wedding to attend Friday. Hopefully I have enough time Saturday. Now that I have the money I've been itching to get a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojoe_24 View Post
    Yeah, I should have worded that differently. If I pay cash, they will pay the sales tax (which is ~10%). Unfortunately though, I will probably have to wait til next weekend to get to the shop. I have midterms/exams Tuesday and Thursday and have a wedding to attend Friday. Hopefully I have enough time Saturday. Now that I have the money I've been itching to get a bike.
    That makes a lot more sense. If they are giving a discount for paying cash but still giving you a full receipt you should be fine - anything underhand is their problem and not yours.

    In the UK we have a tax called VAT which is equivalent to your sales tax (except anywhere that sells to consumers includes it in the sticker price). Our VAT is 20% so there's a lot of money to be saved/made pulling off assorted frauds involving paying cash for a transaction that is never documented. Which works very nicely, until the tax man gets wind of it and starts an investigation, or the product fails after three months and you realise you didn't get a receipt as part of the tax dodge so the supplier can deny all knowledge of the product.

    Itching to get it hopefully means you'll enjoy it that much more when you do collect it!
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    I"m hoping that's what it means too. With school and work it takes up half the week were I won't be able to ride at all (Monday-Wednesday). I'm gonna have to try to squeeze maybe a short ride or so into that time, but it's gonna be hard. Would rather not go 3 days without riding.


    And would you guys recommend doing a LBS rather than online? If I end up liking the position of the road bike, I was thinking about using bikesdirect.com to be able to afford one.

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    The whole LBS/online thing will generate a lot of mixed opinions.

    Personally I like to support my LBS where it's sensible. The guy there has looked after me pretty well so I like to give him the business when I need stuff, and if he's slightly more expensive than online I'd still rather give him a little extra simply because having a mechanic who knows what he's doing within 5 minutes walk of home has a value.

    Where I end up buying online is when there's a significant price difference. So, for example, when I wanted to replace the chain and cassette on my cross bike, I had to choose:

    1. LBS supply and fit chain and cassette - 20 chain, 35 cassette, 10 fitting, less 10% discount = ~60

    2. Buy online - 15 chain, 18 cassette, 5 lockring tool, 11 chain whip = 48

    Taking option (2) saved me 20% immediately, plus bought me the tools to do it next time which will mean even more savings. Admittedly doing it myself meant I spent two hours fighting to get the rear derailleur set up right but that was also a valuable learning experience.

    The main issue with my LBS is that it's a small business so their range is limited. They can get just about anything I want into stock but being a small concern if it's something obscure that they would be unlikely to sell to anyone else they need a commitment from me that I'm buying rather than looking. If I buy something online I've got the protection of the UK's Distance Selling Regulations which mean as long as it's still in new condition I can return it, even if the only reason is that I've looked at it and decided it isn't really what I want.
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    One thing I would say, even when the price differential is large I don't consider it fair game to take up the LBS's time to look at something, check it out to the point I know it's exactly what I need, and then buy it online. If I'm going to take their time to show me a product then as long as they've got the product I want I'll give them the business. If I'm not convinced I'll get what I want at a price I'm willing to pay I'll just look online and won't take up the LBS's time at all.
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    I'd prefer to buy from a LBS, but if I want a road bike I don't think I'd be able to afford one from the shop. I've been looking at reviews and they all seem to be good for the Gravity Liberty 2 from BikesDirect. http://bikesdirect.com/products/gravity/liberty_2.htm It has the same geometry as a Giant Defy so I'd be able to check that out at a LBS and then buy it online. Do LBSs make money from selling bikes or is it mostly from work nad gear? I'd buy all hte gear I need from the shop, but if I end up liking the position of the road bike I think the only way I would be able to afford one is to buy that from bikesdirect.

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    Ended up getting a 2011 Roam 1.


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