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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck_O View Post
    Heh, well, i have the exact opposite problem. No ass to speak of, and massive thighs. And i havent weighed under 200 pounds since i was 13. Closest i came was senior year in highschool where i was 205. But i looked weird as hell because of my barrel chest. And even with the 7% body fat i had at the time, i still looked "tubby" because my abs were so distended it looked like i had a bit of a gut.

    My main problem now is upper body strength, after two broken arms in two years the amount of atrophy is pretty bad.

    ouch both arms broken at the same time? thats gotta suck but riding should help with some of the arm strength shouldnt it? I try to use my arms as shock absorbers over bumps and rough roads, it seems to keep them from shrinking. they are not as strong as they used to be but still look somewhat the same size.

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    No, not at the same time.

    In October '10 i broke my left radius head. Coming home from a mid week 50 miler, and was 20 feet from my door, hit a small heave in the sidewalk, and went up and over the handlebars. I had hit that same spot i dunno how many times before, but this time i was kinda up in the saddle trying to turn off my new rear light, and was going just slow enough to stop the bike, but just fast enough to throw me over. Or at least fast enough at that center of gravity to throw me over.
    Even worse was that my GF was at work at the time, and my car is a manual, so i had to call my Mom to take me to the ER. :rofl: A grown man having his mother walk him into the ER was one of the most embarrassing things ive had to do in a long time.

    The second arm got taken out almost a year ago today. During the Seattle to Portland classic another rider rear ended the rider in front of her, and fell over in front of me, doesnt sound to bad, except that at the time i was in full time trial mode doing around 30+ on the flat. Long story short, i took a pretty big tumble, and knew immediately that my right radius head was broken. Another rider who was an orthopedic surgeon checked me over, asked if i had pain in my wrist, i told him no, he said "just wait, you will, be gentle with it." Sure enough, along with the radius, broke two bones in my right wrist as well. And as the adrenaline and endorphins wore off, ended up reinjuring, likely bruising, an old set of broken ribs from wrestling in highschool, bruising, possibly fracturing my collar bone, and doing "something" to my left knee. Because since the accident i can no longer sit on my knees and have my knee lock out, nor can i extend my leg fully and have my knee lock out.

    In both instances, the best rehab for the arm was getting back on the bike. Greatly improved the amount of flexibility in it. But going over rough or bumpy roads, like brick, was a nightmare.

    As for strength training, i had a 2 year old to help with that.

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    wow thats insane. it takes dedication after two falls like that to get back on the bike. mortals would have called it quits.

    when your mom took you to the ER did she wipe the dirt smudge off with spit?

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    Its simple...i love cycling. Ive also done sports all my life, and because of that i understand that part of doing sports is getting knocked down, and taking your lumps. And the best thing you can do is get back up and try again. I also think that racing cars most of my teenage years helps for the same reason. When you crash, you learn from it, and you get back out there, and try and go faster the next time. Psyching yourself out because of a single corner you lost it in is more dangerous then if you just block it out, and push through it. I understand that some people find putting failure, or traumatic events behind them difficult. For me i see it as a marker to strive for, and surpass, without giving it a second look.
    Plus i care enough about my fitness that i want to get out and ride. And really, i just enjoy the hell out of it. The people you meet while riding, the scenery you get to view, and the joy of completing a long ride. Nothing but old age will stop me cycling.

    And actually, no my mom didnt spit wipe me. Thankfully i was salty and sweaty enough that she didnt bother.
    However, during the STP, we were planning on going through the town she lives in, and as such she was expecting us. I got into the accident about 20 miles before that. So she was waiting for us when she got the call from one of my riding partners that i had taken a rather large tumble, and was getting transported to the hospital. So when she got to the hospital, she wouldnt leave my side for anything, and insisted on holding my hand. That was...annoying...to say the least.

    Equally funny, was that a friend of mine worked at the local fire department that was about 5 miles down the road from were the accident was. And i was planning on meeting him and chatting for a little bit (which is why i was in time trial mode, was to gap my friends, and then catch up to them at my moms when we all stopped for a break). So the accident happened, and the lady that i plowed into, when initially asked what happened said "a car hit me". So the fire department rolled my friend out (who was a fire fighter/EMT), and then called him back when they discovered it was a bike on bike collision. So of course the EMT's that showed up were friends of his, and they were like "Oh, hey, youre the friend that Kyle goes riding with." So they get back to the fire house, and see Kyle, and say "hey we saw your buddy today", and Kyle says "awww man, i missed him?! When did he come by?" And they say, "no no, you remember that car vs. cyclist call out we got?" "Yeah...?" "Well...your friend was the car." And he laughed, and said "Haha, thats funny, so were was he?" And they said "He was laid out on the ground...you dont get it, we're not kidding...". At that point Kyle kinda freaked out about it, was afraid i was more jacked up then his friends (who administered aid to me) said i was, so he called his wife (who is also a trauma nurse) to come out to the hospital and make sure i was treated properly. So between his wife, and my mom...it was one of the worst 6 hours ive ever spent in an ER. LOL! I dont think i even felt like that much a 12 year old when i was actually 12. ROFL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck_O View Post
    So between his wife, and my mom...it was one of the worst 6 hours ive ever spent in an ER. LOL! I dont think i even felt like that much a 12 year old when i was actually 12. ROFL!
    the icing would be if you left with a lolipop or a sticker

    you seem like a tough athletic guy, how long after each crash did it take you to get back on the bike again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ C View Post
    the icing would be if you left with a lolipop or a sticker

    you seem like a tough athletic guy, how long after each crash did it take you to get back on the bike again?
    Haha, i lucked out, worse i got was some yellow Sponge Bob Square Pants Ace Bandage Clips.

    Each time i waited for the compression wrap to come off, then waited another week or two to get some strength back into it before i did anything crazy, and potentially injure it further. I dont mind pushing through pain, but i dont want to permanently screw myself up either.

    So each time i was off the bike roughly about a month and a half.

    Interestingly, the first left arm break i had took longer to heal up, and took longer for me be comfortable on the bike, then did the large crash at the STP. Even though the injuries in the STP were more severe, and more wide spread. Only thing i can think of is that my overall fitness was better at that moment, and as a result i healed up faster? Just something i ponder from time to time.

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    yeah my problem is jumping back in where i left off, forgetting that i was injured and lost strength. I end up injuring the compensating side and take longer to heal.

    I do wonder if the fitter you are the better you heal, heard that many of times but never seen or read a study on it. (never looked either)

    I injured my knee last November jogging doc said go ahead jog again, i did and it didnt get better. Waited 3 months tried again and its still the same. Not jogging again until novemeber when i cant ride. But when i hurt it i was at good fitness level, i ran further than i ever ran, but i didnt heal up. even after 2 months of physical therapy (PT is a scam i say, a scam).

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    Sorry to hear that, knees are the worst joint in the body to have problems with.

    I am somewhat worried about whats going on with my left knee. But so far aside from some tightness, and range of motion limitations, it doesnt seem to have any effect on my ability to jog, run, or cycle. Im keeping my fingers crossed.


    Ive found that Physical Therapy can be totally hit or miss. Alot depends on the PT you get, and what the clinics general goal is. Ive had some PT where i just quit going because it was pointless. And others where the PT was pretty strenuous, and did a good job of finding the limits, and pushing the limits to search for improvements. Sadly, i think most PT's dont actually like their job, so they just repeat the same **** over and over again regardless of whether it fits the patient at hand or not.

    Either way, PT of some kind is a must. Without working the injury, and improving blood flow to it, and improving the injured areas flexibility through the healing process, you can end up way way worse off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ C View Post
    wow thats insane. it takes dedication after two falls like that to get back on the bike. mortals would have called it quits.

    when your mom took you to the ER did she wipe the dirt smudge off with spit?
    When I was 16 I was involved in a serious motorcycle accident that left me with a torn ACL, MCL, and meniscus in one knee, as well as road-rash on my face and one wrist. The impact cracked the helmet just to one side of the seam, saving my life but leaving me with a massive concussion and broken blood vessels in one eye. At the hospital it was my mother, not a nurse or any other health-care professional, who pulled the gravel out of my face and arm, cleaning and dressing my wounds with items found in the cabinets in my room. She was also the one who kept waking me up as I would lapse into unconsciousness due to my head injury. The doctors got to me 2 hours or so after my admittance into the ER.

    This is why, at the age of 41 today, I am keeping watch over my mother's flower garden while she and my father are away on vacation. That, and I live 5 minutes away and I'm putting a serious dent in her cashew-butter stash...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironhand View Post
    When I was 16 I was involved in a serious motorcycle accident that left me with a torn ACL, MCL, and meniscus in one knee, as well as road-rash on my face and one wrist. The impact cracked the helmet just to one side of the seam, saving my life but leaving me with a massive concussion and broken blood vessels in one eye. At the hospital it was my mother, not a nurse or any other health-care professional, who pulled the gravel out of my face and arm, cleaning and dressing my wounds with items found in the cabinets in my room. She was also the one who kept waking me up as I would lapse into unconsciousness due to my head injury. The doctors got to me 2 hours or so after my admittance into the ER.

    This is why, at the age of 41 today, I am keeping watch over my mother's flower garden while she and my father are away on vacation. That, and I live 5 minutes away and I'm putting a serious dent in her cashew-butter stash...
    Thats all you really had to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck_O View Post
    Sorry to hear that, knees are the worst joint in the body to have problems with.
    I am somewhat worried about whats going on with my left knee. But so far aside from some tightness, and range of motion limitations, it doesnt seem to have any effect on my ability to jog, run, or cycle. Im keeping my fingers crossed.
    Ive found that Physical Therapy can be totally hit or miss. Alot depends on the PT you get, and what the clinics general goal is. Ive had some PT where i just quit going because it was pointless. And others where the PT was pretty strenuous, and did a good job of finding the limits, and pushing the limits to search for improvements. Sadly, i think most PT's dont actually like their job, so they just repeat the same **** over and over again regardless of whether it fits the patient at hand or not.
    Either way, PT of some kind is a must. Without working the injury, and improving blood flow to it, and improving the injured areas flexibility through the healing process, you can end up way way worse off.
    I think PT is wonderful for people that had something major. but a complete joke for minor things but the orthopedist push it like its the best thing to sliced bread. Funny thing is my PT cost more than my MRI, X-ray, Specialist visits combined. And at the end of PT my knee was exactly the same. but my injured leg ended up being stronger than the good one?

    i mean all my PT did was stretch me and make me do a few exercises. For a 1/3 of what i paid could have done the exercises myself, went to a masseuse, and even got a happy ending.

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    I have had nothing but good things to say about PT, as it has helped me immensely in recovering from the aforementioned knee surgery in 1987. I also herniated my L-5 disc in 1997 and had surgery to repair it in '98, and PT helped me recover almost 100%. The major point of PT after the knee surgery was to break loose all of the scar tissue and get movement back into the joint. It took almost a full year for me to be able to extend my right knee fully, and I'm still missing 3 degrees from being able to fully extend it. I limped for a year and a half after the accident and still do today when the weather changes or I really put strain on the knee by running or lots of climbing.

    I still believe that good ortho surgeons and good physical therapists are worth their weight in gold.... but there are a lot of mediocre ones out there, so performing a bit of research is very important.

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    Couldnt agree more with Ironhands last comment he made. There is, sadly, alot of mediocrity in those fields. And there are alot of PT's who simply do their job like they are ringing up Hot Dogs at 7-11. Thankfully, i have never had to go under the knife myself, but i have several friends and family members who have for various forms of back surgery. And only one of them has had a good ortho surgeon that did right by them. The rest have had to go have a second, some times a third surgery to correct the problem. On the flip side of that, all of them who had a neurologist do the surgery, not only seemed to recover more quickly, but also did not require a second surgery. So the moral of the story there for me is...see a neurologist for back surgery.

    I see what youre saying CJ, and i tend to agree. On my first arm break i refused going to see a PT. And i told the ortho that i knew how y body worked, and would take care of it. As luck would have it, on my second arm break i got the same ortho doc. And he rather cheekily asked how my left arm was doing, and i said fine. He asked to take a look at it, and inspected the range of motion. And was shocked that i had been able to regain back as much range of motion as i had. So much so that he went and repulled my old films to check them. It wasnt until i told him where i used to be able to reach and bend, that he said most people dont have as good a range of motion before their accidents as i do after mine. And congratulated me for being so diligent in my own personal PT.
    The upshot of that was because of the broken bones in my wrist, they were anticipating they might need to do surgery on it. But after closely inspecting the films, and considering my previous arms recovery rate, he told me it would probably be more detrimental to perform the surgery then to just let it heal on its own. And sighted his own person like for tennis as the primary reason as to why he wouldnt get that surgery either. Actually going far above what most orthos would say and coming right out and saying "youre body can do a far better job of healing itself then we can by trying to mess around with it".
    It still humors me that in the span of 15 minutes he went from being a total prat to actually being a very reasonable and sound physician who put some interest into caring about the long term goals of the patient. Unlike some who cant wait to get in the surgery room, and get paid.

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    I agree PT for some is a great thing, but just like most things in medicine, its a money(insurance billing) scam. I am lucky to have Family Doctor that straight forward and no guff that also isnt out to bill/fleece you. Sadly the knee doc he recommended wasnt in my network so i went on my own and picked a doc who works with a sports team in my city. Went with him thinking "hey he deals with this type of thing" and he was a good Doc but he worked for a larger bone and joint network/company who i think is in the fleecing business. So i get the feeling its standard practice to write a script for 2+ months of PT for anything.

    I even said to my PT after the third visit, I do these exercises at home everyday do i still need to come twice a week to do them in front of you? he said its the docs orders. Then the doc said I only needed 14 visits, mentioned this to the PT when i saw the schedule he had for me was 16. The PT recommended i did the full two months of 16 visits and said only after the 16th final visit he would do the write up for the Doc.

    Now i went along with all of this and gave 100% in PT and at home as i wanted to recover and my knee to get better. yes i questioned it but i didnt slack, i was the only one in the PT center drenched in sweat after each session. i did my 16 visits and did my exercises for a month after the PT.
    My knee stayed the same. follow up visit with the Doc he said he can give me a cortozone shot, i passed as i just got the PT bill in the mail. Felt i paid enough to still have the same knee problem.

    BTW, you guys ever hear the Louis CK joke about getting old and going to the doctor for his knee? its exactly how i felt.

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    Update on the saddle,

    well really no update as i dont notice it at all, and thats what we really want in a saddle is for it not to be noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ C View Post
    Update on the saddle,

    well really no update as i dont notice it at all, and thats what we really want in a saddle is for it not to be noticed.
    Yay! I just did 204 miles over the weekend on my Brooks B17 Imperial and had the same experience, did not notice it. Friend was complaining about his arse from about mile 150 on...

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