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    The Petition for Lance has started

    If you're so inclined please join me!

    http://wh.gov/hh8

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    I firmly believe in the principle of "innocent until proven guilty". By the same token, I am loath to pass judgement, good or bad, based on questionable information disseminated by an untrustworthy media. I'll let the jury with access to the relevant facts make a determination, and temper my opinion of the outcome with the knowledge that Lance can afford the best representation.

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    I'm in. #321. Don't care if he "did" or "did not." Stop wasting resources and money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadTired View Post
    ...Don't care if he "did" or "did not." Stop wasting resources and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volosong View Post
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    There you go. Do we really have nothing better to do than set the Federal Government on Lance?

    For the record, I don't think he's clean. Smoke, fire and all that. You do this in another country, you serve your two year ban, you're back on the bike. Only in the good ol' USA are we lighting the torches and arming the peasants with pitchforks.

    I...don't....care....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    There you go. Do we really have nothing better to do than set the Federal Government on Lance?

    For the record, I don't think he's clean. Smoke, fire and all that. You do this in another country, you serve your two year ban, you're back on the bike. Only in the good ol' USA are we lighting the torches and arming the peasants with pitchforks.

    I...don't....care....
    In terms of this bigger picture, +1. I put up my pitchfork long ago.
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    Who cares, the only people I admire enough to consider roll models or idols all belong to my family.
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    I car because it's just blatant waste.

    Its like tiger, I didn't
    personally care if he was blinking well trimmed goats, I just wanted to watch him play golf


    I just want to see lance ride.

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    at the risk of starting a Political war,

    why is a government investigating a sport issue? Isn't that like the AFP investigating me for cheating on a Xbox game o.O ( different scope i know )

    just seems like a waste of tax money to me ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tergal View Post
    at the risk of starting a Political war,

    why is a government investigating a sport issue? Isn't that like the AFP investigating me for cheating on a Xbox game o.O ( different scope i know )

    just seems like a waste of tax money to me ...
    More importantly, why is the US government investigating things that happened in a sporting event in France?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Pete 1982 View Post
    More importantly, why is the US government investigating things that happened in a sporting event in France?
    7 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by vesteroid View Post
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    Up hill.... In the snow
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    The USADA is NOT a federal agency.

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    Both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnb69 View Post
    Both ways.
    Naked !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paisan View Post
    The USADA is NOT a federal agency.
    "The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognized USADA as the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

    Is Lance trying out for the US Olympic team? The Pan-American games? Is he a paralympic athlete? Since the answer is probably a resounding "no" to each of these questions, why in the hell is the USADA going after Lance?

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    I'm not even convinced O.J. "did it". All I can say for certain is that the prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Going after L.A. for an old issue like this reeks of "law and order" politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaRecRider View Post
    "The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognized USADA as the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

    Is Lance trying out for the US Olympic team? The Pan-American games? Is he a paralympic athlete? Since the answer is probably a resounding "no" to each of these questions, why in the hell is the USADA going after Lance?
    My original comment was only to correct all of the posters who incorrectly stated that the USADA is a part of the federal government.
    Since you want "resounding answers" yet have only done a cursory look at wikipedia without doing your own research I will help you out.

    from the USADA website: "USADA is the independent anti-doping agency for Olympic related sport in the United States."

    Did you catch the part that's missing from Wikipedia? The key word is "related". What that means is any sport that falls under the IOC (cycling for example) and in turn the UCI(which is the world governing body for cycling)and USA Cycling is subject to the rules/regulations of the USADA and WADA. This doesn't mean only the athletes participating in the olympics, Pan-Am games, and paralympics.

    For the record I still remember staying up all night to watch his first tour win during the half hour of cycling that ESPN and ABC were nice enough to randomly show us in the middle of the night and early morning. I remember reading the updates via message traffic when I was on deployment during his second win. By the time of his third win outdoor life channel( versus.. well NBC sports now) was showing the tour daily and we all used to go to my friends shop and watch the broadcast after our group rides. I remember all of the "what would lance do" jokes, the sudden increase in road cycling, the unbelievable amount of Treks that seemed to be on every ride. I was as much of a fan as the next guy and I will be dissapointed if it was all a farce. But, in my opinion if he cheated he deserves to pay his price. Period.

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    What I don't understand is that in the letter from the USADA to LA and "his team", they state that he is innocent until he has been proven guilty. Okay, that's our system, but why can he not participate in the Nice Ironman that takes place about a week and a half? He's been there, training and riding/running the course in preparation. The organization that handles Ironman says that anyone under investigation cannot compete. Well ... he's been under investigation for about ten years now. Just stupid.
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    I'm sorry...but how stupid to petition the White House about the USADA/IOC/UCI; non-profit, non-governmental agencies & international associations.

    This is a disciplinary activity of "clubs", not government acts. They can do whatever they want, including accepting bribes from Lance Armstrong to hide his doping, which was the accusation against the UCI following the 2001 Tour de Suisse.

    Seeing Lance's act on political tv, I suspect he's whining the Obama administration is out to get him.

    Move over Barry, Lance needs a seat.
    Last edited by FrenchFit; 06-14-12 at 11:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paisan View Post
    My original comment was only to correct all of the posters who incorrectly stated that the USADA is a part of the federal government.
    While the USADA is not a federal agency, the vast amount of their revenue is from federal grants, as per their own website published audit HERE. They received almost 20 million dollars total of taxpayer money for the two years shown of 2009 and 2010. The main sticking point for me is that our tax dollars are being used in this manner regardless of if it is controlled directly by the government or not. The other point to me is, if they are going to use old samples to strip Lance of his titles, then they need to go back and test everyone else's sample for the TDF for the years mentioned. We might find out that everybody in the top 40 was dirty and have winners that nobody really remembers. I really hope he was clean, but if not, let everyone else be tested by the same measure, in all fairness to him and the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paisan View Post
    My original comment was only to correct all of the posters who incorrectly stated that the USADA is a part of the federal government.
    Since you want "resounding answers" yet have only done a cursory look at wikipedia without doing your own research I will help you out.

    from the USADA website: "USADA is the independent anti-doping agency for Olympic related sport in the United States."

    Did you catch the part that's missing from Wikipedia? The key word is "related". What that means is any sport that falls under the IOC (cycling for example) and in turn the UCI(which is the world governing body for cycling)and USA Cycling is subject to the rules/regulations of the USADA and WADA. This doesn't mean only the athletes participating in the olympics, Pan-Am games, and paralympics.

    For the record I still remember staying up all night to watch his first tour win during the half hour of cycling that ESPN and ABC were nice enough to randomly show us in the middle of the night and early morning. I remember reading the updates via message traffic when I was on deployment during his second win. By the time of his third win outdoor life channel( versus.. well NBC sports now) was showing the tour daily and we all used to go to my friends shop and watch the broadcast after our group rides. I remember all of the "what would lance do" jokes, the sudden increase in road cycling, the unbelievable amount of Treks that seemed to be on every ride. I was as much of a fan as the next guy and I will be dissapointed if it was all a farce. But, in my opinion if he cheated he deserves to pay his price. Period.
    OK fair enough, but then isn't this whole situation about the same as if Major League Soccer (US pro soccer) started testing players from Manchester United for things they supposedly did 7 years ago? I could somewhat understand all this if it was the actual Tour de France officials or the UCI going after him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paisan View Post
    My original comment was only to correct all of the posters who incorrectly stated that the USADA is a part of the federal government.
    Since you want "resounding answers" yet have only done a cursory look at wikipedia without doing your own research I will help you out.

    from the USADA website: "USADA is the independent anti-doping agency for Olympic related sport in the United States."

    Did you catch the part that's missing from Wikipedia? The key word is "related". What that means is any sport that falls under the IOC (cycling for example) and in turn the UCI(which is the world governing body for cycling)and USA Cycling is subject to the rules/regulations of the USADA and WADA. This doesn't mean only the athletes participating in the olympics, Pan-Am games, and paralympics.

    For the record I still remember staying up all night to watch his first tour win during the half hour of cycling that ESPN and ABC were nice enough to randomly show us in the middle of the night and early morning. I remember reading the updates via message traffic when I was on deployment during his second win. By the time of his third win outdoor life channel( versus.. well NBC sports now) was showing the tour daily and we all used to go to my friends shop and watch the broadcast after our group rides. I remember all of the "what would lance do" jokes, the sudden increase in road cycling, the unbelievable amount of Treks that seemed to be on every ride. I was as much of a fan as the next guy and I will be dissapointed if it was all a farce. But, in my opinion if he cheated he deserves to pay his price. Period.
    Just for the record, I didn't do a "cursory look at wikipedia." I clicked on the link provided, which took me to the USADA website. I just quoted what was on the front page of their own website.
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    Whole thread is a moronic waste of band width.. norm around here.

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