Breathing in the drops
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Breathing in the drops
So something I have been working on lately is riding in the drops. As I believe is common with most bid guys this is not always the easiest thing. I've found at least in the short run the most difficult thing for me is getting enough air. My chest just is not as open as it is when I'm on the tops. Is this just a matter of losing the gut (I'm 5' 10" currently 275) or is it something that is learned over time? Is there anything I can do now to help with this?
Riding on the local MUP today I was headed back to the parking lot when I came up behind two riders who were on their way back from their ride. They were going a little slower than I had been so I announced my presence and that I was passing. One of them light heatedly says "you know you're gonna have to pull us now right?" and I was like "sure jump on." Given the circumstance I decided to have some fun and dialed it up to 400w (as 41 as that sounds according to this it is true I held 22 mph average for the last 1.25 miles: https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm). No I didn't drop them, but that wasn't really my goal, I just wanted to go hard. It was a lot of fun, but I can't help thinking that if I was in the drops I could have gone even faster, about 25 mph according to that calculator. I didn't try it because I was working heard and didn't want to risk losing any air.
Riding on the local MUP today I was headed back to the parking lot when I came up behind two riders who were on their way back from their ride. They were going a little slower than I had been so I announced my presence and that I was passing. One of them light heatedly says "you know you're gonna have to pull us now right?" and I was like "sure jump on." Given the circumstance I decided to have some fun and dialed it up to 400w (as 41 as that sounds according to this it is true I held 22 mph average for the last 1.25 miles: https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm). No I didn't drop them, but that wasn't really my goal, I just wanted to go hard. It was a lot of fun, but I can't help thinking that if I was in the drops I could have gone even faster, about 25 mph according to that calculator. I didn't try it because I was working heard and didn't want to risk losing any air.
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IME yes, it is. Bike fit/stem angle and length play a role as well, but mostly for fine tuning. In the meantime, stay on the hoods but bend your elbows as close to 90 degrees as you can. You'll gain some of the aero advantages of the drops without all the breathlessness.
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as a skinny guy that wandered over here i would say it may be a combination of both. when you are in the drops are you bringing your elbows in? if you are it could be making it harder to breath. as i said i cant speak from experience (6' 1" 175lbs), but i often do my climbing from the drops and rarely feel that breathing is my limiting factor. i cant help but think extra weight would cause restrictions.
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how much drop are you currently running? raising your bars (or installing ones with a shallower drop) so the hooks are just a little lower than your your hoods are now may be a happy compromise. keep in mind it would be a step back if you still stay on the hoods.
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It's your gut...if getting in the drops means your gut is compressing, or even hitting your legs, that's the issue.
And 400 watts for any sustained period, is pretty massive for a Clyde. I had intervals today where I was suppose to average 215 watts for 12 minutes with a 5 minute rest between the intervals...I couldn't imagine a 400 watt average for 12 minutes (for me anyway)
And 400 watts for any sustained period, is pretty massive for a Clyde. I had intervals today where I was suppose to average 215 watts for 12 minutes with a 5 minute rest between the intervals...I couldn't imagine a 400 watt average for 12 minutes (for me anyway)
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It's your gut...if getting in the drops means your gut is compressing, or even hitting your legs, that's the issue.
And 400 watts for any sustained period, is pretty massive for a Clyde. I had intervals today where I was suppose to average 215 watts for 12 minutes with a 5 minute rest between the intervals...I couldn't imagine a 400 watt average for 12 minutes (for me anyway)
And 400 watts for any sustained period, is pretty massive for a Clyde. I had intervals today where I was suppose to average 215 watts for 12 minutes with a 5 minute rest between the intervals...I couldn't imagine a 400 watt average for 12 minutes (for me anyway)
I feel like I need to clarify that I do not own a power meter and I am basing this off of the numbers that Sport Tracks is giving me using a plugin to calculate power based on speed, weight, grade and windspeed as well as comparing those numbers to what the other calculator I posted is giving me.
This is what I'm looking at in Sport Tracks:
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I'm 5'8" and have gone from 252 down to 210. I've also moved from a very upright position to the hoods to aero bars and finally into the drops. I still have quite a bit of belly to lose but I can ride a couple of miles at a time in the drops. The advice I would add to the above is to begin working on core strength. Push ups and crunches seem to do it for me.
As I moved lower, I also rode with my hips rotated more which changed the way my bike fit. It's taken some tweaking along the way to keep comfortable.
As I moved lower, I also rode with my hips rotated more which changed the way my bike fit. It's taken some tweaking along the way to keep comfortable.
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As a 400 pounder I have no input to this thread besides stating the obvious; that my massive gut gets in the way of sustained pedaling in the drops, and are henceforth only used for descents where my speed outpaces my gearing. I would love to be able to eventually use the drops, as my speed seems to increase by about 2mph during the 15-30 seconds I'm able to use them, but I run out of air far too quickly and just don't bother anymore.
Lesigh.
Lesigh.
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I was afraid that my gut wouldn't allow me to even use drops which is why I went with a hybrid bike. By the sounds of it I made a mistake
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Distance 7.4mi
elevation gain 191ft
Elapsed Time 00:20:24
Average Speed 21.7mi/h
Power 239W
That's according to Strava............https://app.strava.com/rides/7591306#141635163
Maybe I should ride the drops. Nah! I do 99.9% of my riding on the hoods.
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Wow, I swear I am like the only Clyde without massive power. My 21.7 (near 22) is only a sissy'ish 239 watts
Distance 7.4mi
elevation gain 191ft
Elapsed Time 00:20:24
Average Speed 21.7mi/h
Power 239W
That's according to Strava............https://app.strava.com/rides/7591306#141635163
Maybe I should ride the drops. Nah! I do 99.9% of my riding on the hoods.
Distance 7.4mi
elevation gain 191ft
Elapsed Time 00:20:24
Average Speed 21.7mi/h
Power 239W
That's according to Strava............https://app.strava.com/rides/7591306#141635163
Maybe I should ride the drops. Nah! I do 99.9% of my riding on the hoods.
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The gut won't help. But the way to ride aerodynamically and breath properly in the drops, if you can do it, is to try to bend at the hips rather than the waist. You rotate your hips forward, keep a flat back,and this allows you to open your chest much more than if you are in a posture in which your back is bent over. It takes practice and some getting used to, and certainly a huge gut will intervene, but that's what you're aiming at.
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When I got my road bike, I always wanted to use my drop but breathing was a problem, hunched back, and my gutt. I wanted to gain a little more areo dymanicness from it but that was not the main reason. I wanted to use the drops to stretch a little and also to give me another hand position so when I was getting the fit right for the 80 mile ride we did together, I raised the stem. PROBLEM SOLVED. I could use the drops, breath, stretch, and another hand position opened up.
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try this tip next time. it will seem counter to what you will think you should do to get your gut out of the way.
When in the drops pretend you are trying to stick your belly button out and forward and like you have a superman emblem on your chest that you want to show everyone. What this does is rotate your hips which gives your legs more room to put down more power, it also opens up your diaphragm (chest) to breath better.
First time i tried it i was shocked not by the breathing but the comfort. I have been trying to force myself into habit of doing it all the time riding even on the hoods.
When in the drops pretend you are trying to stick your belly button out and forward and like you have a superman emblem on your chest that you want to show everyone. What this does is rotate your hips which gives your legs more room to put down more power, it also opens up your diaphragm (chest) to breath better.
First time i tried it i was shocked not by the breathing but the comfort. I have been trying to force myself into habit of doing it all the time riding even on the hoods.
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As a 400 pounder I have no input to this thread besides stating the obvious; that my massive gut gets in the way of sustained pedaling in the drops, and are henceforth only used for descents where my speed outpaces my gearing. I would love to be able to eventually use the drops, as my speed seems to increase by about 2mph during the 15-30 seconds I'm able to use them, but I run out of air far too quickly and just don't bother anymore.
Lesigh.
Lesigh.
Just keep riding, eventually you'll get to the point where you can ride in the drops... and eventually your weight will be less of an issue... and people will tell you to HTFU.
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So something I have been working on lately is riding in the drops. As I believe is common with most bid guys this is not always the easiest thing. I've found at least in the short run the most difficult thing for me is getting enough air. My chest just is not as open as it is when I'm on the tops. Is this just a matter of losing the gut (I'm 5' 10" currently 275) or is it something that is learned over time? Is there anything I can do now to help with this?
Riding on the local MUP today I was headed back to the parking lot when I came up behind two riders who were on their way back from their ride. They were going a little slower than I had been so I announced my presence and that I was passing. One of them light heatedly says "you know you're gonna have to pull us now right?" and I was like "sure jump on." Given the circumstance I decided to have some fun and dialed it up to 400w (as 41 as that sounds according to this it is true I held 22 mph average for the last 1.25 miles: https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm). No I didn't drop them, but that wasn't really my goal, I just wanted to go hard. It was a lot of fun, but I can't help thinking that if I was in the drops I could have gone even faster, about 25 mph according to that calculator. I didn't try it because I was working heard and didn't want to risk losing any air.
Riding on the local MUP today I was headed back to the parking lot when I came up behind two riders who were on their way back from their ride. They were going a little slower than I had been so I announced my presence and that I was passing. One of them light heatedly says "you know you're gonna have to pull us now right?" and I was like "sure jump on." Given the circumstance I decided to have some fun and dialed it up to 400w (as 41 as that sounds according to this it is true I held 22 mph average for the last 1.25 miles: https://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm). No I didn't drop them, but that wasn't really my goal, I just wanted to go hard. It was a lot of fun, but I can't help thinking that if I was in the drops I could have gone even faster, about 25 mph according to that calculator. I didn't try it because I was working heard and didn't want to risk losing any air.
Be careful.
As far as your question is concerned, yes, losing the gut helps a lot and may be your whole solution. I've lost 68 lbs since that happened, my BMI is now finally back in the "normal" range, and I have no problem getting the air into my lungs. Unfortunately, issues with arthritis and stenosis in my neck don't allow me to ride in as aggressive position as I did 15 years ago, but it's still infinitely better than a year ago.
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I'm surprised nobody has asked about the OP's handlebar width; it's a factor in being able to open up your chest to breathe while in the drops.
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It may be unorthodox, but have any of you tried dirt drops? They have a shallow drop and are nice and wide at the bottom.