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    I have a seat to recommend

    I'm not a Clydesdale, but I had to get a larger saddle to relieve hip arthritis and my first impression is that it's the best seat I've ever ridden on. It's the Selle SMP Martin Touring, now on sale at Nashbar for $40: http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...90_-1___202449

    Width is 218 mm. See my review in 50+ forum. Highly recommend for larger people.

    There aren't many reviews of this seat online, but a couple of them mention successful high mileage.

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    Thanks for positing.....I have been searching for a wider seat, and this might be one to try!
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    What could be the disadvantage of a wide saddle? I'm a pretty average built, 51 yr, 5' 6" and 165 lb. Not touring, just running the MUP for exercise. Does a wide saddle break any Velo Rules that are more important than my posterior?
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    I'm a Clyde that rides a Romin Pro. I think saddle recommendations are -nearly- worthless because people vary so dramatically in what they need. One persons poison is another persons perfect. A thick cushion like that may be comfortable for 10 miles but as your butt gets broken in and your muscles get used to having your (my) fat a$$ sit on them, the added foam becomes an irritation. You sink into it and it causes chafing and rubbing where you don't want it. Thick padded seats are good to start with because most people, particularly clydes, simply can't be comfortable on a thin, harder seat but be aware that you'll soon enough need to get a thinner, then another thinner and another still thinner seat if you continue cycling and lose weight and move your mileage to where 30mi days are common, be aware that your seat type will change. That's why I have about 6 seats that represent stages of my weight loss (roughly 60lb at this point) and fitness gain. Hopefully that's a typical trend for clydes on bikes. Personally I see no reason for a 165lb person to use such a cushy saddle unless all you ever want to do is a 10mi ride at a comfy pace. Nothing wrong with that but a thick saddle like that will only ****** your ability/chance to improve your cycling if you don't really need the thickness. Even at 280lb I never used a thick saddle like that, but again...we are all so very different that the only solution is to try saddles out and find what works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digibud View Post
    IA thick cushion like that may be comfortable for 10 miles but as your butt gets broken in and your muscles get used to ...them, the added foam becomes an irritation. ...be aware that you'll soon enough need to get a thinner...seat if you continue cycling and lose weight and move your mileage to where 30mi days are common, be aware that your seat type will change. That's why I have about 6 seats that represent stages of my weight loss... and fitness gain. ...I see no reason for a 165lb person to use such a cushy saddle unless all you ever want to do is a 10mi ride at a comfy pace. Nothing wrong with that but a thick saddle like that will only ****** your ability/chance to improve your cycling if you don't really need the thickness.
    Huh. Never thought of it that way, but kinda agrees with my sore butt at the start of every season. It never occurred to me that the cushion could become a problem on longer rides. Can't ride at a comfy pace either, gets boring. I'll look for a regular narrow saddle with a slot or relieved area for the soft groin tissue. The saddle I put on this year hurts a little on anything over 20 miles, or if I tilt if forward I feel like I'm sliding off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digibud View Post
    I'm a Clyde that rides a Romin Pro. I think saddle recommendations are -nearly- worthless because people vary so dramatically in what they need. One persons poison is another persons perfect. A thick cushion like that may be comfortable for 10 miles but as your butt gets broken in and your muscles get used to having your (my) fat a$$ sit on them, the added foam becomes an irritation. You sink into it and it causes chafing and rubbing where you don't want it. Thick padded seats are good to start with because most people, particularly clydes, simply can't be comfortable on a thin, harder seat but be aware that you'll soon enough need to get a thinner, then another thinner and another still thinner seat if you continue cycling and lose weight and move your mileage to where 30mi days are common, be aware that your seat type will change. That's why I have about 6 seats that represent stages of my weight loss (roughly 60lb at this point) and fitness gain. Hopefully that's a typical trend for clydes on bikes. Personally I see no reason for a 165lb person to use such a cushy saddle unless all you ever want to do is a 10mi ride at a comfy pace. Nothing wrong with that but a thick saddle like that will only ****** your ability/chance to improve your cycling if you don't really need the thickness. Even at 280lb I never used a thick saddle like that, but again...we are all so very different that the only solution is to try saddles out and find what works for you.
    My experience is more or less the opposite of yours. My highest mileage was 2000 miles a year, including a century and 1000 painful miles around Europe on a Brooks (no padding). At that time I weighed 125 lbs and that Brooks felt like sitting on a rock.

    Over the ears, the more I rode, the more pain I had---sitbones, tailbone, crotch. I tried dozens of different seats over a period of 30 years and was constantly experimenting with adding my own padding and seat covers.

    I have never used a soft "marshmallow" seat. We can agree that a too-soft seat is not a good thing for the reason you mention. That doesn't mean, though, that every person who rides any significant mileage needs a thinner and thinner seat. With all due respect, that's a silly generalization.

    I agree that this particular seat is probably not right for a person who weighs 165 lbs, but I think it could be considered by an overweight person, WHICH IS WHY I POSTED IT HERE.

    Have you actually used or seen or touched the seat in question? Here's how it's different from most large seats: it uses the same well-thought-out shape as the smaller Selle SMP seats; it is definitely anatomical in several respects; and the padding is of a MEDIUM softness. In my review in the 50+ forum I said that to me it feels both padded and supportive. I'm not sinking down into it at all. I think the photo makes it look thicker than it actually is.

    Saddle recommendations nearly worthless? I don't think so, given the number of people who are desperate to find a comfortable seat.

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    GetUpnGo - I'm glad you posted the seat recommendation. Made me think a little about where I land my butt. I would have ignorantly jumped at the purchase had I not read digibud'ss comment that it proabably wasn't right for me, being a smaller rider. I'm thinking of a middle-of-the-road shape and some firm padding. All is good here - I hope this doesn't turn into another helmet threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digibud View Post
    I'm a Clyde that rides a Romin Pro. I think saddle recommendations are -nearly- worthless because people vary so dramatically in what they need. One persons poison is another persons perfect.
    +1 everybody is different and when it comes to saddles its trial and error. I am clyde and just got the Romin Evo. took about 7 different ones before i found my saddle. If a cushy one works for you then by all means ride that thing till it falls apart, if a no padded carbon shell works for you ride it until the carbon asplodes.

    Just find what works for YOU and ride nobody can tell you what is right or wrong, your arse during and after a ride will tell you whats right and wrong.

    just remember numbness and pain "down there" are not normal, soreness and discomfort on your actual arse is a given and will get better. dont take chances with your "junk"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadTired View Post
    GetUpnGo - I'm glad you posted the seat recommendation. Made me think a little about where I land my butt. I would have ignorantly jumped at the purchase had I not read digibud'ss comment that it proabably wasn't right for me, being a smaller rider. I'm thinking of a middle-of-the-road shape and some firm padding. All is good here - I hope this doesn't turn into another helmet threat.
    RoadTired, the seat in question is way too large for you. Take a look at the Selle SMP TRK and their other road saddles and see what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetUpnGo View Post
    Saddle recommendations nearly worthless? I don't think so, given the number of people who are desperate to find a comfortable seat.
    Maybe it's semantics, but I agree that a "recommendation" is worthless to me. Having just bought a new saddle since returning to cycling as a clyde, I saw so many recommendations that it's insanity trying to pick a seat based off one. Some people recommend saddles that were hated by another member. I did, however, find "opinions" of saddles very worthwhile. I won't go buy a saddle because someone said "this is a good saddle, you should buy it", but I found a lot of value in someone saying "this saddle worked for me because A), B), C), etc".

    Again, probably semantics. Or it's just differing viewpoints of what a recommendation is.

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    I think it's worth pointing out that the line of SMP saddles is worth a look.

    I have two, but the Pro at 148mm is as wide as I'd want to go. It's about riding position more than rider's size, which is one of the reasons why specific recommendations just don't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetUpnGo View Post
    My experience is more or less the opposite of yours. My highest mileage was 2000 miles a year, including a century and 1000 painful miles around Europe on a Brooks (no padding). At that time I weighed 125 lbs and that Brooks felt like sitting on a rock...
    It's difficult to make definitive statements about anything but in general terms padded seats are problematic. The more miles you ride, the more problematic they become. I believe that the reason this padded seat works for you is that you don't ride very many miles. 2000 miles a year is minimal. I suspect that if you rode 5000 miles a year you might have a different perspective. This could be the reason your brooks saddle didn't work well for you as well but its possible that it just didn't fit you properly. Brooks work well for a lot of people but they don't work for everyone. Having said all that, if this seat works for you at the mileage you are doing that's great and maybe it'll work for someone else who rides a similar number miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetUpnGo View Post
    RoadTired, the seat in question is way too large for you. Take a look at the Selle SMP TRK and their other road saddles and see what you think.
    I read this as "the seat question is way to large for you..." LOL. Anyway, funny you mention Selle SMP TRK - I was just looking at that one...

    Sometimes though, I should pay attention to which forum I'm in... :-)
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    With 1 narrow nose [rather than 2, combined, wider, to make the hole between them]
    I'm OK with Fizik Vitesse saddles .. a Unisex/woman's race saddle.

    I was OK with Brooks saddles, their Pro, for a long time , when my padding was less..

    now those sit indoors , since it's wet most of the year outdoors.. Here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homeyba View Post
    2000 miles a year is minimal. I suspect that if you rode 5000 miles a year you might have a different perspective.
    Now that's interesting. So most people in this forum are biking 5000 miles a year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetUpnGo View Post
    Now that's interesting. So most people in this forum are biking 5000 miles a year?
    I don't know, do you? I ride between 6000 and 10,000 miles a year and know a number of others on this forum who ride in the 5,000+ range and some more than I. Really though, it's irrelevant to what I said. To quote myself:
    " if this seat works for you at the mileage you are doing that's great and maybe it'll work for someone else who rides a similar number miles."
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    I don't know about most, but there are quite a few doing way more than 2k

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    I'm guessing that there is a wide variety of cyclists in this forum, from low-mileage comfort bikers to high-mileage road bikers? In my review in the 50+ forum I started out by saying the seat is probably best for hybrids. I posted the seat here in this forum for people who need more width, good padding (I didn't say "soft" padding and I repeat that it is moderately firm and very supportive, without sinking), and a good anatomical design relative to their weight and style of biking. I'm not sure why my post seems to have rubbed the high-mileage folks the wrong way. If anyone had directed me to this seat years ago I would have been ecstatic, after decades of seat pain. I stand by the word "recommend." I love this seat and highly recommend it to large people on upright bikes (hybrid, comfort, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homeyba View Post
    2000 miles a year is minimal.
    Only on a cycling forum would I read a statement like that. That's a yearly figure that impresses the heck out of non cyclists or even many casual riders. Just hit that yearly 2K mark for myself last week, so I may be on track for a 4000 mile year.
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    Thanks for posting this. I hadn't heard about Nashbar (I'm new to this), and they have some great deals.
    I expect I will go through a bunch of saddles before I find the right one. For a while, most of my rides will be 20 miles or less. Nashbar had a returned saddle (this model) for $26. I ordered it. If it is comfortable for these short rides, great. If not, I can get at least what I paid for it on Craig's List.
    I was at my LBS last week, and there was a rider there waiting for a new tire to be installed and a wheel to be trued. He weighed (by his admission) 430 lbs. The saddle on his comfort bike was a very narrow, drop nose road saddle. He said he had tried over a dozen different saddles before finding the one that worked for him, and he was stunned it was that skinny, hard one that did the trick. As he rode off, I realized that if I hadn't met him, but had just seen him riding,I never would have seen the saddle. It was completely hidden. I left the shop with a better understanding that the right saddle is the one that works for you.
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