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Old 08-22-12, 07:16 AM   #1
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Deep V rim 250lb rider 32 hole or 36 hole??

Good morning everyone I hope all is well.

looking to get a new set of wheels for my old falcon road bike,

the wheels have seen better days eyelets rusting , non machined walls (brother had rims done years ago YUK!) ... ill use the old 126mm 105 hubs for another project.

anyway looking at a set of deep Vs on new 105 hubs (velocity recommended Deep V over A23 for my wt ) and yes ill have to spread my frame.

pondering the drilling, 32 or 36 ???, ill be using double butted spokes .

I usually go the stronger route, my commute/ LD bike has 40/36, my SS / fixie has 36/32.

not sure if 32 will be fine on the deep V (road bike) or just go bullet proof (36) as 8 more spokes total is not that much wt. 32 would be a bit cleaner.

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Old 08-22-12, 07:36 AM   #2
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go 32 and straight gauge spokes.
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Old 08-22-12, 08:24 AM   #4
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36h would of course be stronger but at 250lbs 32h would work fine.
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Old 08-22-12, 08:24 AM   #5
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32 hole HED Belgiums have proven to be rock solid for me... Plus I love that they run a little wide.
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36. Complete peace of mind and all bases covered should you gain some weight over the winter or stop riding for a while. If you know that 250# is the highest the scale is going to show moving forward then 32 would be enough.
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It's almost a dead heat, 3:2 in favor of 36. I personally don't think it matters. Spend your effort finding a good wheel builder!
FWIW, I'm the same (ish) weight as you and don't own a wheel with more than 32 spokes.
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Spend your effort finding a good wheel builder!
Agree. The quality of the build is much more important than an extra 4 spokes/wheel...
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32 bladed spokes worked well for me on my deep v's..never had a spoke problem ever..stayed true like forever as well, though I did have an issue with the velocity rear hub on mine, apparently they had some issue's with thier road hubs a couple years ago, I started to get some creaking issues on mine, been told by lbs that the newer hubs from velocity have been re-worked & are supposedly better now? If i were to have another set built though, I would have it built with phil wood, dt swiss or similar & id have no intrest in going with a hub that isen't sealed bearings, as i think I can feel the difference.
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I weigh about 260 and I use 32 hole Deep V. Hand built by me using Ultegra hubs, DT Swiss 14-15 double Butted spokes. Tensioned and stress relieved. I carry about 15-20 lbs on a rear rack for commuting. About 10,000 miles so far. No issues. I had to re-true them once when i took a hard spill. The rear went out of true laterally about 1/16". 32 is plenty.
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32 hole HED Belgiums have proven to be rock solid for me... Plus I love that they run a little wide.
I've been wondering about those rims. I'm thinking of trying my hand at wheelbuilding and they looked interesting.
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It's almost a dead heat, 3:2 in favor of 36. I personally don't think it matters. Spend your effort finding a good wheel builder!
FWIW, I'm the same (ish) weight as you and don't own a wheel with more than 32 spokes.
Another +1 !

I'vbe been about 250-260 over the last cople of years. I built some wheels for my Lemond as an experiment since I had the hubs. 28 rear 24 front. I had 14,000 miles on the wheels with one truing after 8,000. But other than that, no problem at my weight. Heck the frame broke before the wheels. I since gave the wheels to a friend since they wouldn't match any of my roadies.

But I prefer the 32 over the 36. My other Deep V wore out after 20,000+ with one minor truing at 13,000 miles. The brake surface wore thin so I retired the wheel safety reasons. I have buitl a few more with 32 and also zero problems. So 32 would be more than fine for you.

I myself avoid 36 hole hubs unless the flange is beefed up like a tandem wheel. My thoughts as an inspector of machined parts is that less material between hole compromises the strength. I've had a few buds break the hub flange between holes under 230 lb riders.


28/24 build worked fine as an experiment but I would prefer 32.




My latest Deep V build 32 spokes. Only 2300 miles at this point but working fine (as mentioned, first V had 20,000+). I did build the front with a 32 Mavic CXP33 to save some weight. But honestly, I like the feel of a 28 spoke Deep V on fast twisty descents.

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Go 36, all things being equal. But with high-quality spokes and rims it probably doesn't matter. The build is going to be most important factor.

Maybe see what kind of deal you can get on hubs first.
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Go 36, all things being equal. But with high-quality spokes and rims it probably doesn't matter. The build is going to be most important factor.

Maybe see what kind of deal you can get on hubs first.

Check out the prices on Ribble

105 $62 for the set....Ultegra $123 for the set and 32 or 36 in stock. I buy my stuff online at good prices, I've found Deep V for as a little as $56 (shop wants $90 + shipping as special order)

I buy the stuff then build it myself but I bet it's cheaper to buy the stuff online then pay a shop to build them for you.

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/roa...pd/shimhubr492

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/roa...00/shimhubr330
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Either, but at 250-, the 36 would be absolutely bombproof cobblestone road wheels.
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Check out the prices on Ribble

105 $62 for the set....Ultegra $123 for the set and 32 or 36 in stock. I buy my stuff online at good prices, I've found Deep V for as a little as $56 (shop wants $90 + shipping as special order)

I buy the stuff then build it myself but I bet it's cheaper to buy the stuff online then pay a shop to build them for you.

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/roa...pd/shimhubr492

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/roa...00/shimhubr330
Thanks for the tip, Beanz. I just ordered a pair of the Ultegras.
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My bike shop recently told me they feel like they could build me a strong 32h wheel for my 384 pound weight... as long as they use a strong rim.

Take that for what you will, as I have no idea how that applies to Deep V rims. I imagine at 120 pounds less, you should be in good shape.
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32 holes is perfectly fine at your weight and finding 32 hole hubs is a little easier.. If your uneasy about it go with the 36 hole.. A good wheelbuilder is much more important than 32 or 36..
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I am just under your weight now and I ride on 32h Ultegra hubs with Deep-V rims laced with DT 14/15 spokes. Solid wheels that I have no complaints about and would not hesitate to recommend to anyone as a stout setup.
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You need well-built wheels with strong rims. Some magic number of spokes isn't going to make or break them. But this is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt sub-forum, so you need at least 80 spokes per wheel or they're going to fall apart.
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Thanks for the tip, Beanz. I just ordered a pair of the Ultegras.
I figure you're saving so much that you ought pick up a set of the 105's for me as well. I'll send you my mailing address when they come in.
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I figure you're saving so much that you ought pick up a set of the 105's for me as well. I'll send you my mailing address when they come in.
Nice try, but the savings are going toward the rims. Or red anodized nipples. Or both.
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Nice try, but the savings are going toward the rims. Or red anodized nipples. Or both.
Can't blame me for trying.

I myself avoid alum nips if I can. They strip easily and I figured after shearing off a couple of anodized alum chainring bolts on the tandem, I figured I'd avoid small hardware in alum when I can. that's just me though.
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