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Old 09-25-12, 10:06 PM   #1
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Done with Atkins..

The cravings for complex carbs and fruit were so strong that I decided to quit. Despite all the vegetables I ate and the water that was consumed I was always constipated. Four days off and I feel FANTASTIC. No more white bread, sugar, white potato's, white pasta, etc. Replacing them with yams, whole grain bread, fruits, whole grain pasta when I have it, lean meats, veggies and brown rice.

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No I told you sos here... I did atkins one year and it worked GREAT! Aside from the no stamina issue, but the weight plummeted. Unfortunately, I didn't find it to be a sustainable lifestyle so ... I stopped the diet and hey presto bingo, right back where I started.

Just eat smart and watch how much you eat, you'll be better off (IMO). Good luck!
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No I told you sos here... I did atkins one year and it worked GREAT! Aside from the no stamina issue, but the weight plummeted. Unfortunately, I didn't find it to be a sustainable lifestyle so ... I stopped the diet and hey presto bingo, right back where I started.

Just eat smart and watch how much you eat, you'll be better off (IMO). Good luck!
Do you think I will gain all my weight back if I eat right and exercise? They say that if you quit Atkins and go back to eating carbs you will gain all your weight back. I really don't want that to happen.
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I did it for 5 months and did not gain any of the 50lbs back. Just eat healthy and balanced.
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You will lose weight on Atkins, keeping it off is another thing.
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Do you think I will gain all my weight back if I eat right and exercise? They say that if you quit Atkins and go back to eating carbs you will gain all your weight back. I really don't want that to happen.
No, I think you'll be OK. I went back to my regularly scheduled eating habits and lack of exercise.
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I think Atkins didn't work well for me due to the regularity issues, and I went back to normal eating with a better appreciation of carbs. Now I just monitor carb and protein intake , and that seems to work .
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Burn off more calories than you consume and you will lose weight.
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My cardiologist suggested Suger Busters for me. Basically you just choose what to eat based on it's glycemic index. The lower the better. That pretty much eliminates almost anything white (rice, bread, potatoes, etc.) but leaves lots of options. I try to avoid all starchy stuff but when I have to eat them I try to make good choices and have brown rice instead of white and whole grain bread instead of white. It really helps with the constipation issue since you can work lots of fiber rich foods into your diet. I'm not in a big hurry. I'm trying to lose about two to four pounds a month and Suger Busters is a lifestyle change I can live with for the long term.

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I haven't looked at the new Atkins diet, but even the older version had several levels. The Induction level had virtually no carbs and I found it very unpleasant for more than a few days at a time. What ended up working for me was a blend of the Atkins Maintenance level and the South Beach recommendations. Basicly no white bread, white potatoes, white pasta, white rice, added sugar of any kind, and very controlled portions of starchy vegetables, high sugar/starch fruits and whole grains. Much more sustainable and allows you to balance carb intake with energy demands.

When considering your carbs look at both glycemic index and glycemic load. You'll find that you can eat more of some veggies and fruit than you thought. Glycemic index is based on the rise in blood sugar per 100g of carbohydrate from the given source. Glycemic load considers both the glycemic index and the number of grams of carbohydrate a source provides in an average serving. Potatoes and parsnips have high glycemic indexes and glycemic loads because the carbs they contain are easily digested and rapidly spike blood glucose levels and it is very easy to get 100g or more or carbohydrate from an average serving. Pumpkin on the other hand has a high glycemic index but a low glycemic load so the net influence on blood glucose is greatly reduced. If you look at glycemic index alone, both white potatoes and pumpkin would be off your diet, but by considering glycemic load you will see that reasonable portions of pumpkin are acceptable and also a good source of beta carotene (the precursor to Vitamin A) and several other nutrients. Other high GI but low GL food include winter squash, papaya, pineapple, watermellon and cantelope.
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Burn off more calories than you consume and you will lose weight.
True but deceptively oversimplified. You could lose "weight" by consuming nothing but a Diet Coke and Hershey Bar every day, but you wouldn't be healthy, energetic and fit.

- Losing weight can include not only fat loss but also the loss of muscle, other lean tissue, and even bone mass
- Improperly managed caloric deficit can result in decreased energy, alertness, mood changes, loss of libido, and even symptoms of depression
- Simply eating less does not address other nutritional problems such as poor balance of nutrients, nutrient deficiencies, excesses of substances that have a negative impact on health, etc.
- Severe caloric deficit can crash your metabolism resulting in a lower basal metabolic rate (which explains some of the above symptoms) and actually works against weight loss. This is why starvation (very low calorie) diets don't work long term. People who try this find initial success but after just a couple of weeks they find that their weight loss plateaus while their energy level plummets and they feel like hell. So to "kick start" their weight loss, they cut back even more, feel worse and are always ravenously hungry. That is no way to live and shows a poor understanding of human nutrition.

Yes, portion size and caloric management are important, but are just part of the overall picture. Improving your nutrition, establishing proper balance of nutrition and exercise consistent with your goals, and other lifestyle changes like learning how to snack appropriately or not skipping meals, are just as important as monitoring your caloric intake. Telling someone to just eat less and they will lose weight (and be in better health) is like telling a casual pleasure cyclist to just ride more to get ready for the Tour de France. Sure you have to ride more, but just putting more hours in the saddle won't get you there.

Focus on improving nutrient density and balance, reduce or eliminate non-nutritive "foods", and work on lifestyle changes including your eating patterns (not just quantity but also when and how often), increase physical activity and assure adequate rest. You'll find that by eating nutrient dense foods you will be less hungry than eating huge quanties of "diet" foods. When I'm eating right, I find it hard to remember to eat enough, because I'm just not hungry.

Taking this approach I went from a near 300 lb couch potato to a 220 lb cyclist riding frequent 50-100 mile events and weekly B group rides. My total fat loss was actually higher that the weight change would indicate as, by both caliper and bioimpedence measurements, I've also put on between 10 and 15 pounds of muscle/lean tissue. I consume as many if not more calories than I did back when spent my time sitting on my butt stuffing my face with junk food, yet lost this weight over three years and have not had any problem with rebound.

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Man-O-Man eating sure has gotten complicated and scientific! I'm on WW and it's the same (science and points and stuff) - People sure are making a lot of money off of us Clydes/Athenas! I've never tried Atkins, but people tell me 1. It works; and 2. It's unsustainable. I've never met anyone that enjoyed it and stayed on it permanently.
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There's several choices:
Eat a balanced diet and take in less than you burn. You'll lose weight.
Go on the latest greatest X diet, eat more than you burn and you'll gain weight.
Go on the latest greatest X diet, eat less than you burn and you'll lose weight.

Whatever you chose, enjoy your riding!
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True but deceptively oversimplified. You could lose "weight" by consuming nothing but a Diet Coke and Hershey Bar every day, but you wouldn't be healthy, energetic and fit.

- Losing weight can include not only fat loss but also the loss of muscle, other lean tissue, and even bone mass
- Improperly managed caloric deficit can result in decreased energy, alertness, mood changes, loss of libido, and even symptoms of depression
- Simply eating less does not address other nutritional problems such as poor balance of nutrients, nutrient deficiencies, excesses of substances that have a negative impact on health, etc.
- Severe caloric deficit can crash your metabolism resulting in a lower basal metabolic rate (which explains some of the above symptoms) and actually works against weight loss. This is why starvation (very low calorie) diets don't work long term. People who try this find initial success but after just a couple of weeks they find that their weight loss plateaus while their energy level plummets and they feel like hell. So to "kick start" their weight loss, they cut back even more, feel worse and are always ravenously hungry. That is no way to live and shows a poor understanding of human nutrition.

Yes, portion size and caloric management are important, but are just part of the overall picture. Improving your nutrition, establishing proper balance of nutrition and exercise consistent with your goals, and other lifestyle changes like learning how to snack appropriately or not skipping meals, are just as important as monitoring your caloric intake. Telling someone to just eat less and they will lose weight (and be in better health) is like telling a casual pleasure cyclist to just ride more to get ready for the Tour de France. Sure you have to ride more, but just putting more hours in the saddle won't get you there.

Focus on improving nutrient density and balance, reduce or eliminate non-nutritive "foods", and work on lifestyle changes including your eating patterns (not just quantity but also when and how often), increase physical activity and assure adequate rest. You'll find that by eating nutrient dense foods you will be less hungry than eating huge quanties of "diet" foods. When I'm eating right, I find it hard to remember to eat enough, because I'm just not hungry.

Taking this approach I went from a near 300 lb couch potato to a 220 lb cyclist riding frequent 50-100 mile events and weekly B group rides. My total fat loss was actually higher that the weight change would indicate as, by both caliper and bioimpedence measurements, I've also put on between 10 and 15 pounds of muscle/lean tissue. I consume as many if not more calories than I did back when spent my time sitting on my butt stuffing my face with junk food, yet lost this weight over three years and have not had any problem with rebound.
+1 = The point really isn't weight loss, it's health gain. Losing the pounds is almost a by-product of a healthier lifestyle. Good post Myosmith
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The cravings for complex carbs and fruit were so strong that I decided to quit.
Any diet that won't let you eat fruit is a bad diet.

There's a lot of variance in this thread, some people it worked for, and people it didn't. Some people are allergic to wheat, some aren't, and that story repeats itself with all sorts of things. Coincidence?
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The cravings for complex carbs and fruit were so strong that I decided to quit. Despite all the vegetables I ate and the water that was consumed I was always constipated. Four days off and I feel FANTASTIC. No more white bread, sugar, white potato's, white pasta, etc. Replacing them with yams, whole grain bread, fruits, whole grain pasta when I have it, lean meats, veggies and brown rice.

Waiting for the "I told you so" comments.
I tried Atkins years ago, and lost LOTS of weight really fast (90lb in 4 months), but over the next several years (and of course, after I got married), it all came back, and then some.

You're basically doing what I did - simply choosing foods that are lower glycemic. Now, if you replace the rice with Quinoa, limit your bread & pasta intake, and watch which types of fruits you eat, you'll be even better off. I've been eating this way for about a year now, have lost about 40lb, and feel better & healthier than I ever have...even though I'm still 50+ lb from my goal weight.
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True but deceptively oversimplified. You could lose "weight" by consuming nothing but a Diet Coke and Hershey Bar every day, but you wouldn't be healthy, energetic and fit.

I am guilty of assuming some minimal level of intelligence and knowledge. Maybe I shouldn't do that.
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I am guilty of assuming some minimal level of intelligence and knowledge. Maybe I shouldn't do that.
I thought Myosmith's response was well thought out. Why do you think he has lower than a "minimal level of intelligence and knowledge"? I would discuss the points/counterpoints objectively without the personal comments . . .
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I took a genetic test for weightloss, basically swab your cheek, send it in and they tell you, based on your genes, what diet/exercise works best.

For me I had to drastically reduce my carbs and do high met workouts. Once I applied that I lost 30 official pounds (probably closer to 40 since I didn't weigh in at the start) and went from 36% body fat to 23% in about 4 1/2 months. I was very healthy and happy during it.

I have been successful in keep the weigh off despite my wife being pregnant (no sympathy weigh for me!) and having a 4 month hiatus from any real activity because I just ate like I should. I will say that I did lose some muscle mass and got a tad more "fluffy" feeling, but no real weigh gain.

I am excited that I can bike at a high cadence and enjoy it and lose weight!
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I thought Myosmith's response was well thought out. Why do you think he has lower than a "minimal level of intelligence and knowledge"? I would discuss the points/counterpoints objectively without the personal comments . . .
I thouhgt it was well thought out, too. I am afraid you read something into my comment. I was merely saying that, in making an oversimplified post, I assumed people know that losing weight by eating junk food would not make you feel good. In other words, I was saying that I thought the fact was obvious enough that it didn't need stating. Based on what I have seen in this and other subforums, I should never take anything for granted. The thread looking for advice on how to deal with a LBS is a fine example.
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there's more than 1 way to skin a cat. I used a modified zero carb diet to lose weight and reform my body. (i.e., low carb) it does get tricky though when you have to fuel up for extended intense exercise.
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I thouhgt it was well thought out, too. I am afraid you read something into my comment. I was merely saying that, in making an oversimplified post, I assumed people know that losing weight by eating junk food would not make you feel good. In other words, I was saying that I thought the fact was obvious enough that it didn't need stating. Based on what I have seen in this and other subforums, I should never take anything for granted. The thread looking for advice on how to deal with a LBS is a fine example.
That's fine, but then that's what you should have said. What you did say was "I am guilty of assuming some minimal level of intelligence and knowledge. Maybe I shouldn't do that" after quoting Myosmith's post. There's a difference. Thanks for the explanation, I will now put away my gun.
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That's fine, but then that's what you should have said. What you did say was "I am guilty of assuming some minimal level of intelligence and knowledge. Maybe I shouldn't do that" after quoting Myosmith's post. There's a difference. Thanks for the explanation, I will now put away my gun.
A distinction without a difference.
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I took a genetic test for weightloss, basically swab your cheek, send it in and they tell you, based on your genes, what diet/exercise works best.

For me I had to drastically reduce my carbs and do high met workouts. Once I applied that I lost 30 official pounds (probably closer to 40 since I didn't weigh in at the start) and went from 36% body fat to 23% in about 4 1/2 months. I was very healthy and happy during it.

I have been successful in keep the weigh off despite my wife being pregnant (no sympathy weigh for me!) and having a 4 month hiatus from any real activity because I just ate like I should. I will say that I did lose some muscle mass and got a tad more "fluffy" feeling, but no real weigh gain.

I am excited that I can bike at a high cadence and enjoy it and lose weight!
this is pretty interesting, can you talk more about the "genetic test"? Never heard of that before.

Congrats on the pregnancy...with our first child I gained more weight than my wife did.
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this is pretty interesting, can you talk more about the "genetic test"? Never heard of that before.

Congrats on the pregnancy...with our first child I gained more weight than my wife did.
He may have been referring to this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...545274032.html or this: http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-gene-smart-diet

The research on nutrigenomics is very preliminary and may turn out to be not accurate when applied to a particular person as there are so many variables at work.
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