A bit...perplexed.
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A bit...perplexed.
So today I got out on the roadie for 12.2 miles and averaged 11.7 mph, give or take a few tenths...
...I'm puzzled, to say the least. I've been really concentrating on riding more and have been doing a fair share of rides at the C&O Canal, which doesn't have hardly any elevation changes, but the pedaling is constant. I went out today on the roadie and expected to see some sort of "reward" for my efforts in terms of an easier time out there but that was not the case. Instead, I was welcomed with sheer disappointment. We have a pretty nice sized hill in the neighborhood which I figured I was going to climb with aplomb, but it was anything but. I was winded, my legs felt wobbly, and it just took it out of me. What gives? I don't have this issue on my MTB, so why the roadie? Aren't roadies supposed to be faster/easier to pedal? How come I can ride harder on my MTB than what I can on a roadie?
...I'm puzzled, to say the least. I've been really concentrating on riding more and have been doing a fair share of rides at the C&O Canal, which doesn't have hardly any elevation changes, but the pedaling is constant. I went out today on the roadie and expected to see some sort of "reward" for my efforts in terms of an easier time out there but that was not the case. Instead, I was welcomed with sheer disappointment. We have a pretty nice sized hill in the neighborhood which I figured I was going to climb with aplomb, but it was anything but. I was winded, my legs felt wobbly, and it just took it out of me. What gives? I don't have this issue on my MTB, so why the roadie? Aren't roadies supposed to be faster/easier to pedal? How come I can ride harder on my MTB than what I can on a roadie?
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Hills are different. If you're not used to them, and haven't been training for them by riding at the sort of intensity they require, you're going to be slower. The weight advantage conferred by a road bike is trivial by comparison.
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Not sure if this is applicable but gearing on MTB and Road Bike very different.
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I guess I was just expecting to have a little bit more muscle development and be able to climb the hill a little easier than what I did. It was just...disappointing.
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Bikes target different muscles from differnt angles as well. Give yourself time to adjust. You are going form MTB to roadie, that is a big difference in position and angles.
Heck, I went form one roadie, Cannondale to a Lemond, felt like some one was stabbing me straight on the glutes for the first few rides. It took me some time to adapt from one roadie to another. One is an aggressive crit American racing bike and the other a Euro road race type, it makes a difference.
One good example is Gina, She averaged about 13 on her hybrid. She switched to a roadie and didn't see much difference first few rides. She didn't want to ride the roadie. I had to fight with her to give it a chance. After a couple of months, her average went up from 13-14 to her best of 18 over 42 flat miles.
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Another thing, keep pushing yourself close to your limit. Don't need to go all out but keep yourself challenged if even for some of your ride. Some people expect to make big gains by riding at the same intensity mile after mile. Throw in some intervals, if even 2 or 3. As you get better, throw in 5 or 6.
Heck, I went form one roadie, Cannondale to a Lemond, felt like some one was stabbing me straight on the glutes for the first few rides. It took me some time to adapt from one roadie to another. One is an aggressive crit American racing bike and the other a Euro road race type, it makes a difference.
One good example is Gina, She averaged about 13 on her hybrid. She switched to a roadie and didn't see much difference first few rides. She didn't want to ride the roadie. I had to fight with her to give it a chance. After a couple of months, her average went up from 13-14 to her best of 18 over 42 flat miles.
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Another thing, keep pushing yourself close to your limit. Don't need to go all out but keep yourself challenged if even for some of your ride. Some people expect to make big gains by riding at the same intensity mile after mile. Throw in some intervals, if even 2 or 3. As you get better, throw in 5 or 6.
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Bikes target different muscles from differnt angles as well. Give yourself time to adjust. You are going form MTB to roadie, that is a big difference in position and angles.
Heck, I went form one roadie, Cannondale to a Lemond, felt like some one was stabbing me straight on the glutes for the first few rides. It took me some time to adapt from one roadie to another. One is an aggressive crit American racing bike and the other a Euro road race type, it makes a difference.
One good example is Gina, She averaged about 23 on her hybrid. She switched to a roadie and didn't see much difference first few rides. She didn't want to ride the roadie. I had to fight with her to give it a chance. After a couple of months, her average went up from 13-14 to her best of 18 over 42 flat miles.
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Another thing, keep pushing yourself close to your limit. Don't need to go all out but keep yourself challenged if even for some of your ride. Some people expect to make big gains by riding at the same intensity mile after mile. Throw in some intervals, if even 2 or 3. As you get better, throw in 5 or 6.
Heck, I went form one roadie, Cannondale to a Lemond, felt like some one was stabbing me straight on the glutes for the first few rides. It took me some time to adapt from one roadie to another. One is an aggressive crit American racing bike and the other a Euro road race type, it makes a difference.
One good example is Gina, She averaged about 23 on her hybrid. She switched to a roadie and didn't see much difference first few rides. She didn't want to ride the roadie. I had to fight with her to give it a chance. After a couple of months, her average went up from 13-14 to her best of 18 over 42 flat miles.
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Another thing, keep pushing yourself close to your limit. Don't need to go all out but keep yourself challenged if even for some of your ride. Some people expect to make big gains by riding at the same intensity mile after mile. Throw in some intervals, if even 2 or 3. As you get better, throw in 5 or 6.
I live in harpers ferry!
Let me know (pm?) if you want to do a small group ride sometime. Plenty of hills out my way, or between boonsboro and sharpsburg, or pretty much all over Appalachia.
I'm slow too, or maybe too slow, but either way if you would like to invite ms for a group ride I'd be happy to join.
Let me know (pm?) if you want to do a small group ride sometime. Plenty of hills out my way, or between boonsboro and sharpsburg, or pretty much all over Appalachia.
I'm slow too, or maybe too slow, but either way if you would like to invite ms for a group ride I'd be happy to join.
No wind at all.
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I live in harpers ferry!
Let me know (pm?) if you want to do a small group ride sometime. Plenty of hills out my way, or between boonsboro and sharpsburg, or pretty much all over Appalachia.
I'm slow too, or maybe too slow, but either way if you would like to invite ms for a group ride I'd be happy to join.
Let me know (pm?) if you want to do a small group ride sometime. Plenty of hills out my way, or between boonsboro and sharpsburg, or pretty much all over Appalachia.
I'm slow too, or maybe too slow, but either way if you would like to invite ms for a group ride I'd be happy to join.
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This sounds like a plan! Anyone ride the C&O Canal in Shepherdstown or just on the road?
I think a group ride would be fun but I must mention my wife and I don't ride on the public highways. We've both tried it and just don't feel comfortable doing it for a variety of reasons. If it's along a path somewhere, we're all for it!
I think a group ride would be fun but I must mention my wife and I don't ride on the public highways. We've both tried it and just don't feel comfortable doing it for a variety of reasons. If it's along a path somewhere, we're all for it!
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Given a grade, your weight and the power you can sustain for the duration of the climb, there will be a resulting speed. Now, your gearing needs to be such that you can go at a sustainable cadence at that resulting speed.
Have you got any idea where you are in terms of power output and what is required to climb that hill with the gearing you have?
Have you got any idea where you are in terms of power output and what is required to climb that hill with the gearing you have?
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Wow, that's awesome for Gina! I guess it's just strange that an MTB would be so much easier to ride than a roadie in terms of strength. I'd expect the opposite given the aerodynamics, thinner tires (less drag), lighter weight, and "optimal" gearing for the road.
Hey, sounds like a plan. You need to contact the Panhandle Peddlers, they're a great bunch and my wife and I belong to the club.
No wind at all.
Hey, sounds like a plan. You need to contact the Panhandle Peddlers, they're a great bunch and my wife and I belong to the club.
No wind at all.
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As mentioned above, different bikes develop muscles differently. My roadie builds taller leg muscles to me and don't do much to work my core. My MTB builds broader leg muscles and my stomach stays trimmer. IMO roadie bikes create lots less pedalling resistance and you can get greater speeds for long periods. But there is nothing like MTBing for fun and loosing yourself. I think that Sprints and intervals happen naturally on a MTB. You have to create them on a road bike.
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Given a grade, your weight and the power you can sustain for the duration of the climb, there will be a resulting speed. Now, your gearing needs to be such that you can go at a sustainable cadence at that resulting speed.
Have you got any idea where you are in terms of power output and what is required to climb that hill with the gearing you have?
Have you got any idea where you are in terms of power output and what is required to climb that hill with the gearing you have?
As mentioned above, different bikes develop muscles differently. My roadie builds taller leg muscles to me and don't do much to work my core. My MTB builds broader leg muscles and my stomach stays trimmer. IMO roadie bikes create lots less pedalling resistance and you can get greater speeds for long periods. But there is nothing like MTBing for fun and loosing yourself. I think that Sprints and intervals happen naturally on a MTB. You have to create them on a road bike.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm coming across as a whiny crybaby who's spinning around in the living room with my arms flailing, right before I start doing "helicopters" on the floor, but it just really irritates me that I can achieve far better results on a big ol' behemoth that I can't achieve on a roadie. It's like driving a Ferrari and then being outshined on the Nurburgring by a Chevy Silverado.
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Yes, there is less resistance with my road bike, but that's only until I hit a good climb. I used my MTB last week on the same exact hill I had problems with last night and the MTB climbed it like a mountain goat; it was effortless. Just the whole ordeal makes me wanna throw my roadie in a dumpster, strap my hybrid tires back on my MTB, and call it a day. IMO, it's absolutely pointless to have a nice, light, carbon road bike that weighs barely 20 lbs if I can achieve greater results on a bike that not only outweighs it by at least seven pounds but isn't even designed for the road, all with nothing more than swapping out a set of tires. It's faster, easier to climb, and on the hybrid tires it damned near handles just as well.
Light for bicycles is over-rated. It is total rider + bike weight and unless any of us start attaching a large number of helium balloons, a few pounds difference is a very small effect.
Oh, yeah. One last point:
"Hills suck. Go climb hills" - The Recumbent Quant
No matter what you do, hills are going to suck. The more you climb them, however, any given hill will start to get smaller and suck less. But don't worry. There will always be hills out there that still suck a lot.
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If you can climb it on your mountain bike, but not your road bike, that suggests that your road bike isn't geared low enough. What is the gearing on your road bike? What about your mountain bike.
Light for bicycles is over-rated. It is total rider + bike weight and unless any of us start attaching a large number of helium balloons, a few pounds difference is a very small effect.
Oh, yeah. One last point:
"Hills suck. Go climb hills" - The Recumbent Quant
No matter what you do, hills are going to suck. The more you climb them, however, any given hill will start to get smaller and suck less. But don't worry. There will always be hills out there that still suck a lot.
Light for bicycles is over-rated. It is total rider + bike weight and unless any of us start attaching a large number of helium balloons, a few pounds difference is a very small effect.
Oh, yeah. One last point:
"Hills suck. Go climb hills" - The Recumbent Quant
No matter what you do, hills are going to suck. The more you climb them, however, any given hill will start to get smaller and suck less. But don't worry. There will always be hills out there that still suck a lot.
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Your not alone. I was riding a comfort hybred with 26" wheels for about 9 years I could do anything on that thing it worked well for me. End of last summer I got a Specialized Tricrosss not exactly a road bike but I use it as one. Ironiclly the middle chainring is the same as the large one on the comfort bike which I used exclusively on the comfort bike and 4 or 5 of the cogs have the same teeth so I thought the switch would be unnoticable, boy was I wrong. I used the comfort bike for the sloppy roads and tails of fall and spring just selling it 2 weeks ago.
I am getting similar results right now with the 2 bikes, actually would get about 50 watt average higher on the comfort bike (strava estimated) but a bit higher top speed and slightly more average. Hills are a wash not a big change there since I got stiff shoes that dont flex even OTS mashing up hills (if yor using flexiable street shoes I cant recommend cycle shoes enough especially for hills) and similarities of the gearing. With the shoes my feet are ever so pigeon toes so my inner thighs scream, as I never used my inner thighs much before. Body position is totally different not quite tabletop flat back but not kite in the wind straight up as I was mostly on the comfort.
Shoot im rambling, ok long story short probably your dealing with massive changes on body positioning, pedal stroke and misc differances. It WILL hurt like hell as you condition the new muscles just remember rule 5 and you will be faster and more powerful soon!
I am getting similar results right now with the 2 bikes, actually would get about 50 watt average higher on the comfort bike (strava estimated) but a bit higher top speed and slightly more average. Hills are a wash not a big change there since I got stiff shoes that dont flex even OTS mashing up hills (if yor using flexiable street shoes I cant recommend cycle shoes enough especially for hills) and similarities of the gearing. With the shoes my feet are ever so pigeon toes so my inner thighs scream, as I never used my inner thighs much before. Body position is totally different not quite tabletop flat back but not kite in the wind straight up as I was mostly on the comfort.
Shoot im rambling, ok long story short probably your dealing with massive changes on body positioning, pedal stroke and misc differances. It WILL hurt like hell as you condition the new muscles just remember rule 5 and you will be faster and more powerful soon!
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Your not alone. I was riding a comfort hybred with 26" wheels for about 9 years I could do anything on that thing it worked well for me. End of last summer I got a Specialized Tricrosss not exactly a road bike but I use it as one. Ironiclly the middle chainring is the same as the large one on the comfort bike which I used exclusively on the comfort bike and 4 or 5 of the cogs have the same teeth so I thought the switch would be unnoticable, boy was I wrong. I used the comfort bike for the sloppy roads and tails of fall and spring just selling it 2 weeks ago.
I am getting similar results right now with the 2 bikes, actually would get about 50 watt average higher on the comfort bike (strava estimated) but a bit higher top speed and slightly more average. Hills are a wash not a big change there since I got stiff shoes that dont flex even OTS mashing up hills (if yor using flexiable street shoes I cant recommend cycle shoes enough especially for hills) and similarities of the gearing. With the shoes my feet are ever so pigeon toes so my inner thighs scream, as I never used my inner thighs much before. Body position is totally different not quite tabletop flat back but not kite in the wind straight up as I was mostly on the comfort.
Shoot im rambling, ok long story short probably your dealing with massive changes on body positioning, pedal stroke and misc differances. It WILL hurt like hell as you condition the new muscles just remember rule 5 and you will be faster and more powerful soon!
I am getting similar results right now with the 2 bikes, actually would get about 50 watt average higher on the comfort bike (strava estimated) but a bit higher top speed and slightly more average. Hills are a wash not a big change there since I got stiff shoes that dont flex even OTS mashing up hills (if yor using flexiable street shoes I cant recommend cycle shoes enough especially for hills) and similarities of the gearing. With the shoes my feet are ever so pigeon toes so my inner thighs scream, as I never used my inner thighs much before. Body position is totally different not quite tabletop flat back but not kite in the wind straight up as I was mostly on the comfort.
Shoot im rambling, ok long story short probably your dealing with massive changes on body positioning, pedal stroke and misc differances. It WILL hurt like hell as you condition the new muscles just remember rule 5 and you will be faster and more powerful soon!
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I am curious as to gears on both your MTB and road bike.
For example here are the cranks and cassette on my MTB
Crankset Shimano Alivio, 42/34/24 teeth
Rear Cogs 7-speed, 11 - 28 teeth
My hybrid
Crank Shimano M171, 48/38/28 w/chainguard
Cassette Shimano HG40 11-32, 8 speed
my roadbike
Crank Shimano R565, 50/34 (compact)
Cassette Shimano Tiagra 12-30, 10 speed
MTB are designed to climb mountain trails so gears are set up that way and might explain why it felt like it didn't require the effort the road bike does.
and as others mentioned body positioning plays a role and what muscles are being pressed,into,service.
For example here are the cranks and cassette on my MTB
Crankset Shimano Alivio, 42/34/24 teeth
Rear Cogs 7-speed, 11 - 28 teeth
My hybrid
Crank Shimano M171, 48/38/28 w/chainguard
Cassette Shimano HG40 11-32, 8 speed
my roadbike
Crank Shimano R565, 50/34 (compact)
Cassette Shimano Tiagra 12-30, 10 speed
MTB are designed to climb mountain trails so gears are set up that way and might explain why it felt like it didn't require the effort the road bike does.
and as others mentioned body positioning plays a role and what muscles are being pressed,into,service.
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Are both computers calibrated for your tire size?
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Performance can vary from day to day as well. Rest, hydration, previous meals can all make a difference. Don't be so hard on yourself.
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Oh, yeah. Did I mention gears?
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