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    Clydes suck on inclines and hills, but...

    It's a different story when it's flat, and downhill. I ride a hybrid TREK 7.2fx. It's a little bit modified for road use, 28m tires, clipless, flip the stem, and some gp5 ergons. Going up a slight incline, and got passed by smaller rider on a road bike. I was about 10 bike lengths behind him till downhill, got closer, and by the time we were on flats, I left him behind. I'll take it!

    It's great I've found this sub forum, I've learned a lot here!

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    I've got a particularly heavy but aerodynamic bike. I'm getting better at climbing, but I kick@$$ going down hills.
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    I think you will find this is true to a point. My personal experience has been I thought I was faster on downhills due to my weight, and in fact I am..but...when I got with a serious group or riders, I found that skill and guts can trump heft. Go ride with a good A group on a serious downhill and see what i mean.

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    It's all about physics. Weight slows you down going up hill, it doesn't impact you once you're up to speed on the flats and it makes you go faster downhill. Gearing can provide more downhill speed if you can continue to pedal at higher speeds. Downhill skills can help too but will have more influence on descents with curves and switchbacks where proper timing and body position are more critical. This post is about climbing but it does have diagrams that show the impact of weight in different situations: Secrets to Cycling Faster Up Hills

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    creonte - I'm glad that you are out there on the bike.


    As our esteemed collegue Vesteriod points out - true to a point as gravity does indeed suck.
    Also, be cognizant that riders of all types are out there and may be on an agenda other than going fast. It may be that I completed a 35 mile ride yesterday in less than 2 hrs and today I'm out on a recovery ride trying to keep my HR down with ground hogs yellin at me 'on your left!'


    That said, I suck going uphill, downhill or on the flats.. I put the "U" in suck - ask any CAT 5 racer.


    Keep on getting out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeSelfPropelled View Post
    It's all about physics. Weight slows you down going up hill, it doesn't impact you once you're up to speed on the flats and it makes you go faster downhill. Gearing can provide more downhill speed if you can continue to pedal at higher speeds. Downhill skills can help too but will have more influence on descents with curves and switchbacks where proper timing and body position are more critical. This post is about climbing but it does have diagrams that show the impact of weight in different situations: Secrets to Cycling Faster Up Hills
    +1.

    And remember, it's total weight that matters. So before dropping a ton of money to save a couple pounds on the bike, just ride up those hills a few more times and drop a couple pounds of, well, you.

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    Hills hurt.
    Couches kill.

    Ride lots.
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    All this is great but going downhill the wind resistance becomes a factor and aero-position is important. Reducing the amount of my oversized self exposed to the wind makes as big a difference as spinning the pedals faster on a big descent
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    we suck at hills... I was wondering how that Grandma on a tricycle blew by me on the incline...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBOHUNT View Post
    creonte - I'm glad that you are out there on the bike.


    As our esteemed collegue Vesteriod points out - true to a point as gravity does indeed suck.
    Also, be cognizant that riders of all types are out there and may be on an agenda other than going fast. It may be that I completed a 35 mile ride yesterday in less than 2 hrs and today I'm out on a recovery ride trying to keep my HR down with ground hogs yellin at me 'on your left!'


    That said, I suck going uphill, downhill or on the flats.. I put the "U" in suck - ask any CAT 5 racer.


    Keep on getting out there.

    I swear buddy I am going to nominate you for the most full of it person I know award. Remember I see your rides on strava, there is NO SUCK in your rides. You really are one of the best stories here on the board. You have gone from couch to killing it on a bike in a few short years, and you ride while many talk about riding.

    I hope one day I can convince myself to try as hard as you do, and accomplish as much. Between you, hill pumper, and clifton....you guys make me look BAD lol.

    I feel so bad, I am going for a ride right now to spite you!

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    I'm a career Cat 5er' LOL

    Short power up hills (ie like on MTB trails) I can manage gravity vs power just fine, longer stuff I have to pace out of the roadie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBOHUNT View Post
    creonte - I'm glad that you are out there on the bike.


    As our esteemed collegue Vesteriod points out - true to a point as gravity does indeed suck.
    Also, be cognizant that riders of all types are out there and may be on an agenda other than going fast. It may be that I completed a 35 mile ride yesterday in less than 2 hrs and today I'm out on a recovery ride trying to keep my HR down with ground hogs yellin at me 'on your left!'


    That said, I suck going uphill, downhill or on the flats.. I put the "U" in suck - ask any CAT 5 racer.


    Keep on getting out there.
    Thank you for the kind words. I'm always respectful of all riders, but when I get that peek a boo look bike when I get passed, it tends to motivate me to go faster. =o)

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    Clydes LOVE - Mass Moment of Inertia...


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    Further more we must remember that if our rides are a closed loop then most likely 1/2 of it is down hill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zandoval View Post
    Further more we must remember that if our rides are a closed loop then most likely 1/2 of it is down hill...
    This is true in terms of distance, but not time. It takes so much longer to climb the hill than it does to go down it. Hill suck. That's why I climb hills. I'm hoping to find that they suck less than I think they do. It's a little better now, but they still suck.
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    Since I got back to cycling 2 months ago, I realized how the difference on how heavy I was, especially when going up.
    I didn't take as much effort climbing hills before, but of course I am now 50+lbs heavier..

    On the race I joined last Sunday, the lighter riders (almost half my weight) would pass me on the hills -- I was already on my granny -- most of them were on their mid-ring.. (imagine the speed difference and how much I needed to make up).

    I figure I could pass them on the downhill, I could get the distance between us closer, however, I could only do so much as they were pounding just as much power on the down slope and on the flats..

    I guess the only way to beat the smaller (more physically fit) riders is to train harder than them -- and to drop as much weight from my belly.. lol.
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    I am not the fastest climber in the world, but I wouldn't say I "suck" on hills and inclines.

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    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/249095048

    this is a climb I did yesterday where I simply left the house, went up a hill, and back down a hill. I realize I am slow, but it shows some of the things discussed here as in how long it takes to go up, vs going down, and how that averages out.

    I was on the brakes pretty good down this hill. It was windy, and I was halfway frozen, halfway down. My long sleeve jersey was fine on the climb, but I was so cold when I got home, I had to take a shower to warm up.

    Being cold, stiff, and having a cross wind, made me ride the brakes a lot more than typical on this descent.

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    that's a real nice hill to have in your 2 miles from your backyard. I have something similar but it's 13 mile ride to the base but there is climbing along the way http://app.strava.com/activities/24319901

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