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Old 02-07-13, 06:26 PM   #1
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When did we stop drinking water?

I know, I know... there's electrolytes, salts, and trace elements that we need too.

Growing up, language was simple. I had a glass of water. Now, I hydrate myself. (?) and nobody drinks water any more. Going forward, I'd like to see simple language used in Bike Forum.

Going Forward is one of my pet peeves too. Why can't it simply be, "In the future..."
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Old 02-07-13, 06:33 PM   #2
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I know, I know... there's electrolytes, salts, and trace elements that we need too.

Growing up, language was simple. I had a glass of water. Now, I hydrate myself. (?) and nobody drinks water any more. Going forward, I'd like to see simple language used in Bike Forum.

Going Forward is one of my pet peeves too. Why can't it simply be, "In the future..."
Well, unless it's really hot out, I just drink water when I ride. On a long ride in the summer, like a century ride where I go through a lot of liquid, I go about every 3rd bottle with an electrolyte tab.

The really disturbing thing about the "hydration" craze though is that it's marketed to kids. Gatorade isn't really a sports drink anymore. It's flavored sugar water.
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Old 02-07-13, 06:33 PM   #3
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Water? Like...in the toilet?

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We drank the Kool Aid, so to speak, sold to us by those marketing hydration products. Yes, you lose electrolytes to sweat and urine. Yes, you need to replace them in a timely manner. Yes, you need to stay adequately (but not overly) hydrated. No, we do not need to guzzle down liter after liter of overpriced "electrolyte supplements". A granola bar with nuts and fruit has all the sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium you need along with a mix of fast and slow digested carbs and some fats to smooth out the glycemic curve. Learn to judge hydration by listening to your body. Your urine should be pale yellow and you should need to pee every 2-4 hours. You should be able to swallow and spit, the veins in the back of your hand should not be flat, you should not be light headed, and you should be sweating appropriately to the conditions and activity level. Problems like hyponatremia (low sodium levels) are real but they don't happen at the drop of a hat just because you crack a sweat. Drink adequate amounts of water by sipping frequently when you ride and eat some real food snacks like the ever popular Fig Newtons every hour or so and most people will be just fine. If you are an elite endurance athlete training in the Arizona desert in August, you might need a more advanced plan for hydration and electrolyte replacement, but you still don't want to go at it willy-nilly. The old "more is better" mentality when it comes to hydration and electrolytes is outdated.
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Old 02-07-13, 07:57 PM   #6
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I just drink water when I ride.

I think a few times I remembered to grab a gatorade or something so I got more calories, but water works fine for me if I don't want more calories.
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Ooh, a pet peeve thread. I DETEST when people say "At this time". How tough is it to say "now"?

As for water, I drink loads of water every day. I have a nice reverse osmosis system installed under the sink and it's delicious.
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Well, unless it's really hot out, I just drink water when I ride. On a long ride in the summer, like a century ride where I go through a lot of liquid, I go about every 3rd bottle with an electrolyte tab.

The really disturbing thing about the "hydration" craze though is that it's marketed to kids. Gatorade isn't really a sports drink anymore. It's flavored sugar water.
I've also seen children buying Five Hour Energy. What have we come to that CHILDREN need stimulant drugs?!?
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We drank the Kool Aid, so to speak, sold to us by those marketing hydration products. Yes, you lose electrolytes to sweat and urine. Yes, you need to replace them in a timely manner. Yes, you need to stay adequately (but not overly) hydrated. No, we do not need to guzzle down liter after liter of overpriced "electrolyte supplements". A granola bar with nuts and fruit has all the sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium you need along with a mix of fast and slow digested carbs and some fats to smooth out the glycemic curve. Learn to judge hydration by listening to your body. Your urine should be pale yellow and you should need to pee every 2-4 hours. You should be able to swallow and spit, the veins in the back of your hand should not be flat, you should not be light headed, and you should be sweating appropriately to the conditions and activity level. Problems like hyponatremia (low sodium levels) are real but they don't happen at the drop of a hat just because you crack a sweat. Drink adequate amounts of water by sipping frequently when you ride and eat some real food snacks like the ever popular Fig Newtons every hour or so and most people will be just fine. If you are an elite endurance athlete training in the Arizona desert in August, you might need a more advanced plan for hydration and electrolyte replacement, but you still don't want to go at it willy-nilly. The old "more is better" mentality when it comes to hydration and electrolytes is outdated.
Also, water doesn't give you the "sloshy nausea" Gatorade and other 'hydration' products do. Witness the mighty Sayre Kulp felled after his first century.



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I've also seen children buying Five Hour Energy. What have we come to that CHILDREN need stimulant drugs?!?
It's a lifestyle statement. Just as we see people ordering a monster bacon-and-cheese-with-extra-lard-burger, jumbo fries and a Diet Coke, we see people constantly sipping at a bottle of branded mineral water while stuffing their face with cheesy fries, now we see people drinking sports drinks even though the closest they ever go to the gym is when they drive past on the way to the fast food joint.
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I've also seen children buying Five Hour Energy. What have we come to that CHILDREN need stimulant drugs?!?
The really disgusting thing is how this guy became filthy rich selling that crap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manoj_Bhargava
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If you are going to cite Wikipedia, you should also read that consumer reports states that the product actually works. Hence calling it "crap" seems unduly harsh from your own reference. One thing to note re 5 hr energy is that it does not contain a megadose of caffeine, its mostly B vitamins with a few other things thrown in. Not that I am a big fan of any of the energy drinks, just object to your classification when the products works as claimed.
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I still drink water. I can't stand the taste of most of those electrolyte products. If I'm on a long ride and need a little something extra, I'll just mix 2 parts water to one part fruit juice such as orange or a citrus mix. I also prefer dried apricots and a handfull of nuts to the fancy packaged energy bars. It's cheaper, simpler, and not as cloyingly sweet.
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The really disgusting thing is how this guy became filthy rich selling that crap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manoj_Bhargava
Why is it disgusting that a guy works his tail off & is successful?

And the way he wastes his money! What an a-hole!

Bhargava's foundations include Knowledge Medical Charitable Trust and Rural India Charitable Trust. He has contractually pledged a billion dollar gift to the charities. The charities have funded medical research in the United States and over 400 charities in India.[SUP][19][/SUP] Two of the major initiatives are hospitals for the poor and education for disadvantaged women in rural areas.[SUP][20][/SUP] The Hans Foundation, a charitable organization, is solely supported by Rural India.[SUP][21][/SUP] In September 2012, he joined the Giving Pledge (www.givingpledge.org)
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Eh, before sports drinks were all the rage, I used to take diluted fruit juice with me on rides, and when I got home I tended to chug warm miso broth. Combine the two and you basically have the profile of an electrolyte drink. And I'd hit on that just because of listening to what tasted really really good at the time and assuming that was what my body wanted.

I tend to make my own sports drinks, now, to make them less sweet (and using real sugar or fruit juice, not corn syrup) and less chemical-tasting.
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If you are going to cite Wikipedia, you should also read that consumer reports states that the product actually works. Hence calling it "crap" seems unduly harsh from your own reference. One thing to note re 5 hr energy is that it does not contain a megadose of caffeine, its mostly B vitamins with a few other things thrown in. Not that I am a big fan of any of the energy drinks, just object to your classification when the products works as claimed.

In my experience, it is more like "3 hour energy" or 2.5 hour energy. YMMV

At the time I was working 12 hour overnight shifts in the ICU, then went directly to class in the morning. After Algebra and English, I finally had Chemistry at 1PM. Nothing I could do would keep me awake all the way through Chemistry, including 5 hour energy. I seemed to do a little better if I took it an hour or two before the class, but taking it at 9AM was useless for me.

Besides, it didn't hydrate me at all!
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Water was, is and will always be my drink of choice. If I need electrolytes I use GU or Shok Blocs or Sports Beans... yes I tried all those energy drinks... they all made me sick and frankly were hard to choke down. I found myself getting dehydrated cause I didn't like the taste and thus would not drink. If I am doing a long ride (metric to century) then I do the old fashion thing... I bring along a water bottle filled with flat Coke. I like the taste and the caffeine and sugar are just want I need...
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The fancy drinks make me ill so I just drink water, I drink about 3-5 liters of it a day anyway no mater what I'm doing. On rides I use up 1.5l for about 100km. I do however use etabs, they work for ME so I will continue with them.
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I make my own fancy drinks, with Kool-ade, Sugar, and Morton's lite salt for potassium and sodium. I only use when riding more than a hour or so, but at least its cheap. I think its probably unneeded, and water really does suffice in most cases. But I have to be hydrated, saw it on TV!
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