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    Sons First Race

    I realize he is not a clydesdale but I'm a very proud Dad. My son did his first ever sanctioned race over the weekend and it was an amazing experience! These races are geared towards youth cycling and his age group, cadets, do a 4k TT and a 26k road race. In the end he came in 8th for the TT and 3rd in the road race, his average speed for TT was 37.8kph and the road race average was 36.2. Those kids were flying especially when you consider gear restrictions. DSC05651.jpgDSC05675.jpg
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    Congrats my man. Glad you're son did so well.

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    That's pretty quick. What gear restrictions were they using?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayre Kulp View Post
    That's pretty quick. What gear restrictions were they using?
    It's usually a top gear of 52-14. (But it's actually measured by a one-pedal-revolution rollout.)

    That's 30 mph at 104 rpm.

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    The main purpose of junior gear restrictions is to help the young rider develop a good pedal cadence and to avoid injury. Junior gear restrictions also level the playing field for developing juniors who may be at a disadvantage against rivals who possess physical advantages such as height and power.
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    rm-rf is correct. The role out is 7.93 meters which gives you a max gear of 52-14, my sons bike has a compact so he is slightly disadvantged with a 50-14. It's amazing how fast these kids are and they seem to get faster everytime they go out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by youcoming View Post
    rm-rf is correct. The role out is 7.93 meters which gives you a max gear of 52-14, my sons bike has a compact so he is slightly disadvantged with a 50-14. It's amazing how fast these kids are and they seem to get faster everytime they go out!
    Have you tried using a 50x13?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkadam68 View Post
    Have you tried using a 50x13?
    That ought to fail, I think. It'll be close, but no cigar, if my calculations are correct and they're doing the roll-out properly.

    youcoming, you're right the kids are fast. I help to run a club that focusses on youth and junior racing. Good juniors are competitive in Cat 1 and Cat 2 races, tending to lose out only in the sprints because of the gearing. We don't have a "cadet" classification, our Youth B riders are under 14 and Youth A are under 16. It's been a while since I could beat the top Youth Bs; one of our 14 year-old girls (first year Youth A) churns out 25-minute ten-mile time trials no bother at all, and can hold me off in a sprint, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    That ought to fail, I think. It'll be close, but no cigar, if my calculations are correct and they're doing the roll-out properly.
    Hmm... yeah. Just checked my gear calculator: 25.6ft for 52x14 and over 26ft for the 50x13. Amazing what one tooth out back does. Thought the drop on the front would compensate.

    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    youcoming, you're right the kids are fast. I help to run a club that focusses on youth and junior racing. Good juniors are competitive in Cat 1 and Cat 2 races, tending to lose out only in the sprints because of the gearing. We don't have a "cadet" classification, our Youth B riders are under 14 and Youth A are under 16. It's been a while since I could beat the top Youth Bs; one of our 14 year-old girls (first year Youth A) churns out 25-minute ten-mile time trials no bother at all, and can hold me off in a sprint, too.
    I wish I could compete against these whipper-snappers- they are fast! Just sent in my 17-year old son's upgrade request (to cat 3). He should have enough points. Certainly competes well with cat 1s & 2s. Just got 3rd place in Regional Champ's. Everybody else in top-placings were cat 1s or 2s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkadam68 View Post



    I wish I could compete against these whipper-snappers- they are fast! Just sent in my 17-year old son's upgrade request (to cat 3). He should have enough points. Certainly competes well with cat 1s & 2s. Just got 3rd place in Regional Champ's. Everybody else in top-placings were cat 1s or 2s.
    Over here Cat 4 is the lowest adult Cat. When kids graduate to the junior ranks at 16, anyone who has ANY points at youth level becomes a Cat3, because if you are competitive against the good 15 year-olds you are guaranteed to smoke the Cat 4 fields. And the kids who have finished top-ten in the rankings are automatically Cat 2. For the fat old guys, it is humbling, if not dispiriting.
    There have been many days when I haven't felt like riding, but there has never been a day when I was sorry I rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Over here Cat 4 is the lowest adult Cat. When kids graduate to the junior ranks at 16, anyone who has ANY points at youth level becomes a Cat3, because if you are competitive against the good 15 year-olds you are guaranteed to smoke the Cat 4 fields. And the kids who have finished top-ten in the rankings are automatically Cat 2. For the fat old guys, it is humbling, if not dispiriting.
    :LOL:

    On a more serious note, he & I will be traveling to Belgium in 7-8 weeks. We'll do some Kermesse races (him 17-18, me some masters) first week, and he'll do a 4-day, 5-stage race for Juniors the second week. Then another week of touring France (Alps & le Tour stage finish).

    It should be some good training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkadam68 View Post
    :LOL:

    On a more serious note, he & I will be traveling to Belgium in 7-8 weeks. We'll do some Kermesse races (him 17-18, me some masters) first week, and he'll do a 4-day, 5-stage race for Juniors the second week. Then another week of touring France (Alps & le Tour stage finish).

    It should be some good training.
    Fantastic. Brace yourselves for the Belgian races, though. Brutality on a stick.
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    You'll enjoy this story from sprinterdellacasa: Experiencing the Belgian Kermesses, about his racing in Belgium in 1992.

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