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Old 05-28-13, 07:38 AM   #1
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"You're Fat Because You're Stupid"

This website was recommended by a couple of Bike Forums posters.

http://www.yourefatbecauseyourestupid.com/
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This site a no holds barred, blunt approach to the American epidemic of obesity.
It is offensive, crass and barbaric, but more importantly it is the exact type of “in your face” honesty that is missing from the life of most overweight people. This site is not here to make you feel bad, or to make fun of you. This site is here to open your eyes to how obvious your problem is, and how easy it is to fix.

If you are overweight, you can do one of two things:

1) Be offended, hit the back button now, and go cry yourself in to a tub of ice cream
2) Read this page, laugh at the bluntness and choose to change your life TODAY!
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Personally I'm not offended. But I think the idea that such 'tough love' is going to persuade anyone is silly. Fat people have been the butt of jokes and the subject of contempt for centuries. How did that work out? Also, I think most fat people know about the health risks, or at least some of the health risks.

But perhaps other posters agree with the website. Your thoughts?

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I've never seen negative reinforcement work to create desire.
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Fat shaming and contempt doesn't motivate. And equating fat with stupid is...stupid. The weight loss advice on the site is pretty sound, though.
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Although some people may need to hear that excuses are merely excuses, life is not as simple as this website suggests. The narrative suggests the author is a simpleton: "A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool."

There are plenty of simpletons running around in Washington D.C., and the media, presently; poor judgment wrapped in a thin skin of righteous indignation. For whatever reason, we seem to have an appetite for this stuff.
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My thoughts, Neil? I think shaming and negativity are done by "Just World View" people that are small minded, self loathing, miserable people, quite often......the sort who don't get invited to parties and BBQ's because no one can stand to be around them. You aren't one of those people, but do you want to associate yourself with that image, especially since as a Christian, you're casting the first stone when you do this? These people are the Vogons of the weight loss world. (Gratuitous Douglas Adams reference, that)

Think about what I'm saying here. No, I don't think people should be enabled, but there are far less hurtful methods than shame and guilt and castigation and shunning.
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Cut out the emotion and the failed attempt to link obesity to IQ and I generally agree with the nutritional advice. Instead of a "Shock Jock" it's a shock website trying to pitch a book.
If the theme was "I'm fat because I choose to be", I'd have to agree with it. However I started my adult life as a healthy, fit, 5'7" 160 lb very active person. I've done all the damage to myself without outside influence or tough medical conditions.

You come up with some good ones Neil, keeps the forum interesting!
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I agree that the site is going to inspire pretty much no one. However, the reasons it won't work are exactly the things that it lists. Most people don't view themselves as fat, which has been observed in studies...same goes with parents of fat kids, who don't think their kids are fat ("they're just holding on to baby weight" or "they're husky" or whatever). That's not to say that losing weight is easy or that fat people are necessarily stupid, but too many people are blind/willfully ignorant to their condition. For me, the motivation came from traveling overseas for work and realizing that I was the stereotypical "fat American", and I refused to play into that stereotype any longer. At the time, I knew I was getting heavy, but somehow fooled myself into thinking that I was just "kinda heavy" and "a bit out of shape". Nope, I was fat, and it wasn't until I lost the weight (well, still losing, but I'm pretty close to normal now) that I realized how fat and unhealthy I really was.
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Without having looked at the site, I already know I don't need to in order to realize the actual truth. Fat people aren't all stupid, but that site is. Stupid describes an inability to learn, I think most of us here are obviously outside that description. A better title would be "fat people are ignorant" which, while also a generalization is probably closer to the truth. I know I was ignorant. Of course that's not as sensationalist, nor does it feed the need of the author to make people feel bad about themselves. If the title were true, there would be little point in making a fitness website to help, because the target audience would lack the ability to get to the site, or actually make use of the information therein.
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My thoughts, Neil? I think shaming and negativity are done by "Just World View" people that are small minded, self loathing, miserable people, quite often......the sort who don't get invited to parties and BBQ's because no one can stand to be around them. You aren't one of those people, but do you want to associate yourself with that image, especially since as a Christian, you're casting the first stone when you do this? These people are the Vogons of the weight loss world. (Gratuitous Douglas Adams reference, that)

Think about what I'm saying here. No, I don't think people should be enabled, but there are far less hurtful methods than shame and guilt and castigation and shunning.
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My thoughts, Neil? I think shaming and negativity are done by "Just World View" people that are small minded, self loathing, miserable people, quite often......the sort who don't get invited to parties and BBQ's because no one can stand to be around them. You aren't one of those people, but do you want to associate yourself with that image, especially since as a Christian, you're casting the first stone when you do this? These people are the Vogons of the weight loss world. (Gratuitous Douglas Adams reference, that)

Think about what I'm saying here. No, I don't think people should be enabled, but there are far less hurtful methods than shame and guilt and castigation and shunning.
Good response Tom.

First off - we are fat mostly by our own doing. I acknowledge some people are fat due to medication or hormones etc however most of us are fat (and that is the word - not "fluffy" or "big boned" or "larger" - fat!) because we overeat the wrong foods and lack motivation to exercise. That said, we should expect criticizes from others, especially those that cannot understand why people overeat.

I don't want to make excuses for any of us - what we do is wrong and at some point, the only way we lose weight and get healthier is to buck up, admit the problem, deal with the issues and work hard. Different things work for different people to get to the point of acknowledging something is needed. Some people can be shamed into it. Some people need encouragement. This is why there are different weight loss solutions/programs out there. Weight Watcher's model is "shaming" - each week you have to show up and weigh in with your peers; no weight loss causes shame. Basically however, no one can make us lose weight; we have to decide that on our own.

There is no excuse for abusive name calling no matter however, its just cruel, silly and juvenile. Bad behavior should not be tolerated and as a christian, I am called on to acknowledge and judge bad behavior so as either to avoid it, correct it or act against it.

Sadly alot of silly, juvenile folks out there. I can't tell you how many times as I am cycling someone has called out "HEY FATTY!" "GET OFF THE ROAD YOU TUG BOAT!" things like that. My strength is I don't let it get me down or stop me from doing what I love to do.

And Neil - I respond to Tom in a general sense, I don't believe you ever endorsed such a website.

BTW I am not trying to brag, but I my IQ is 155 and I am obese. I know a number of bright, intelligent people who are brilliant. But I can see where the comparison comes from since I believe people of low IQ may not understand the effects of eating fat ladden foods etc.
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Good response Tom.

First off - we are fat mostly by our own doing. I acknowledge some people are fat due to medication or hormones etc however most of us are fat (and that is the word - not "fluffy" or "big boned" or "larger" - fat!) because we overeat the wrong foods and lack motivation to exercise. That said, we should expect criticizes from others, especially those that cannot understand why people overeat.

I don't want to make excuses for any of us - what we do is wrong and at some point, the only way we lose weight and get healthier is to buck up, admit the problem, deal with the issues and work hard. Different things work for different people to get to the point of acknowledging something is needed. Some people can be shamed into it. Some people need encouragement. This is why there are different weight loss solutions/programs out there. Weight Watcher's model is "shaming" - each week you have to show up and weigh in with your peers; no weight loss causes shame. Basically however, no one can make us lose weight; we have to decide that on our own.

There is no excuse for abusive name calling no matter however, its just cruel, silly and juvenile. Bad behavior should not be tolerated and as a christian, I am called on to acknowledge and judge bad behavior so as either to avoid it, correct it or act against it.

Sadly alot of silly, juvenile folks out there. I can't tell you how many times as I am cycling someone has called out "HEY FATTY!" "GET OFF THE ROAD YOU TUG BOAT!" things like that. My strength is I don't let it get me down or stop me from doing what I love to do.

And Neil - I respond to Tom in a general sense, I don't believe you ever endorsed such a website.

BTW I am not trying to brag, but I my IQ is 155 and I am obese. I know a number of bright, intelligent people who are brilliant. But I can see where the comparison comes from since I believe people of low IQ may not understand the effects of eating fat ladden foods etc.
Are the cruel name callers on bikes, on foot, or in cars?
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Shaming must work for some people, otherwise "Biggest Loser" would have been a ratings failure and everyone would still be smoking.
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I got a chuckle, but that's about it. I work better, personally, when someone is in my face a bit. Not saying I need to be shamed but I do know when the pleasantries seem to get in the way it can detract from me actually learning.

Could just be how I respond to correction however, one shouldn't be so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Its a dumb website using sensationalism and 'shock' to sell something. Reminds me of the emails I get that start "Dear Sir, I have recently been made aware that you are the sole beneficiary to $23, 000,000 USD. These funds are located in Nigeria and...."
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I can't see that as motivating anyone. Actually, I've come to the conclusion that motivating someone else is impossible. You can offer encouragement and incentives, but real motivation to do something only comes from inside a person.

My sister in law is probably 600 pounds by now. In spite of this she has always said she is "healthy as a horse". She finally had congestive heart failure last year but things aren't changing. Her kids and the whole family are scared for her, but she's the only one that can make the changes. I tried saying something to her last year when she was here for a visit, and only made her angry with me. The only thing it accomplished was to let my nephew know he had support from the rest of the family.
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My thoughts, Neil? I think shaming and negativity are done by "Just World View" people that are small minded, self loathing, miserable people, quite often......the sort who don't get invited to parties and BBQ's because no one can stand to be around them. You aren't one of those people, but do you want to associate yourself with that image, especially since as a Christian, you're casting the first stone when you do this? These people are the Vogons of the weight loss world. (Gratuitous Douglas Adams reference, that)

Think about what I'm saying here. No, I don't think people should be enabled, but there are far less hurtful methods than shame and guilt and castigation and shunning.
Agreed. Folks who are negative a lot and shame others tend to be the ones that fall into the traps of the hardship of losing weight.
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I can't see that as motivating anyone. Actually, I've come to the conclusion that motivating someone else is impossible. You can offer encouragement and incentives, but real motivation to do something only comes from inside a person.
Agreed. Even offering enourangment and incentives can be a slippery slope.
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Are the cruel name callers on bikes, on foot, or in cars?
Can be all three although generally in cars... regardless I choose to ignore the bad behavior.

I have to say, and I guess its my own darn defensiveness, what I get from cyclist is generally [this happened yesterday as I was completing a 4 mile climb on a 8 - 10% grade, singletrack climbing to Gilman Peak] "Wow! Keep it up! You are doing great!" In my head I assume they are thinking [...for a fat chick! I can't believe she got her fat arse this far!"] oh well. Not certain if that is better or worse... it did cause me Sunday (I did the same climb then too) to get the motivation to ride harder and pass up all the guys who said that. Beat my best time by 30 minutes - I impressed myself but was tired afterwards.
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Sadly alot of silly, juvenile folks out there. I can't tell you how many times as I am cycling someone has called out "HEY FATTY!" "GET OFF THE ROAD YOU TUG BOAT!" things like that.
If they were talking to me, I'd laugh at the stupidity of the troller spitting that stuff out. If they were talking to someone else and I heard, I'd knock them the hell out.
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[QUOTE=Yo Spiff;15676125]...My sister in law is probably 600 pounds by now. ..QUOTE]

As someone who studies human reactions and behavior for a living this fascinates me. I always wonder how someone allows themselves to get that big. It takes real work and dedication. At some point, no matter how healthy she opines she is, everything becomes a hassle - just think about every day bodily functions and cleansing... at some point when someone has to come in and help one bathe, and go to the toilet, I think the person would want help.

It's sortof like those hoarder shows. I would be yelling that person 'THROW THAT AWAY ITS JUNK!" but the therapist has so much patience and helps the hoarder work through the anxiety. Your SIL in slowly commiting suicide, the family needs to intervene and at some point stop enabling the poor behavior but its hard to do...
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If they were talking to me, I'd laugh at the stupidity of the troller spitting that stuff out. If they were talking to someone else and I heard, I'd knock them the hell out.
I have laughed - what else can you do. You can't act violently if nothing else for legal reasons. I have pulled kids aside and given them alittle lecture about being bullies and treating others with respect... I'm sure I was a real "Debbie Downer"...
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Can be all three although generally in cars... regardless I choose to ignore the bad behavior.

I have to say, and I guess its my own darn defensiveness, what I get from cyclist is generally [this happened yesterday as I was completing a 4 mile climb on a 8 - 10% grade, singletrack climbing to GIlman Peak] "wow! Keep it up! You are doing great!" In my head I assume they are thinking [...for a fat chick!"] oh well. Not certain if that is better or worse... it did cause me Sunday (I did the same climb then too) to get the motivation to ride harder and pass up all the guys who said that. Beat my best time by 30 minutes - I impressed myself but was tired afterwards.
You know, I look at this differently. Im 290lbs and ridden a few sponsored rides. Iv'e had the occasional "Keep it up" "Almost here" "You rock" comments as thinner riders have whizzed passed me. I honestly think it was them trying to be 'nice'. I will take a nice comment (or an attempt at one) over the motorists who plainly insult me as they drive past.
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Works for many religions.....
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Cut out the emotion and the failed attempt to link obesity to IQ and I generally agree with the nutritional advice. Instead of a "Shock Jock" it's a shock website trying to pitch a book.
If the theme was "I'm fat because I choose to be", I'd have to agree with it. However I started my adult life as a healthy, fit, 5'7" 160 lb very active person. I've done all the damage to myself without outside influence or tough medical conditions.

You come up with some good ones Neil, keeps the forum interesting!

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I have laughed - what else can you do. You can't act violently if nothing else for legal reasons.
Legally, what they've done is harassment, and they can be charged as such. At least if you knock them out and they try and press charges you can counter sue and probably break even.

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You know, I look at this differently. Im 290lbs and ridden a few sponsored rides. Iv'e had the occasional "Keep it up" "Almost here" "You rock" comments as thinner riders have whizzed passed me. I honestly think it was them trying to be 'nice'. I will take a nice comment (or an attempt at one) over the motorists who plainly insult me as they drive past.
And I occasionally pass slower riders on heavier bikes up what few slopes I can climb, usually mostly out of carrying momentum, or it being short enough that I can stand up and power through it. And I will almost always take the opportunity to offer up some friendly encouragement. Whether it's interpreted as such or not is inside their head, but I always give them what help I can without knocking us all to the ground.
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