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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 07-20-13, 11:54 AM   #1
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Surly Ogre XXL - My New Ride

My new ride, just picked it up today. Surly Ogre XXL 24" shop build

Deore XT full triple drivetrain 180mm and XT BB
XT Hubs, DT TK-540 rims, 23mm 36h
Specialized Phenom saddle 155
Surly nice rack
Schwalbe Mondial in 700x40
Shimano Bar end shifters
Dimension flat top, shallow drop, drops - Nitto RM-014 dirt drops are on the way
Cane Creek stem and levers
45NRTH Heiruspecs platforms
Shimano clipless MTB pedals (shoes aren't here yet)

Other gear info

Specialized Max XL Universal helmet fits my 62mm head perfectly where a POC didn't
Pearl Izumi MTB shorts fit me well at my height too
Endura Humvee shorts, also good, well made

I'm 6'5" with a 37" measured bike inseam and about a 38 shirt sleeve, this bike really feels nice, best fit of anything I've owned easily.

*** NOTE *** After the initial shine has worn off, the frame is turning out to be small for me. If you notice in my picture the bar drop from the saddle is pretty deep and it turns out my lower back and hamstrings don't cooperate with that drop at my fitness level.

A common issue at my height is by the time the seat is high enough getting the bars up is difficult on factory size frames. I've added a steerer tube extension and now have the height where it should be, but really I need a 68cm or 27" frame so the only other option at my size is a full custom geo build.

I love the Ogre and will likely see if the new change is enough and stick with it, but at some point I may wind up doing the full on custom the Ogre was my last shot at avoiding. :-) n+1

***Another Note for the tl;dr crowd

I fixed my fit issues, realizing my seat height was waaaay too high, note the top pic vs the lower pics, look at the logo on the Ritchey post...about a 6-7cm difference. Also I realized that the TT length was a bit too long for drops to feel right for me, even with a shorter stem. I put the Jones Loop H-Bars on and I'm loving life on this frame. The flat bars feel really good on this frame and the new Big Apples rim combo makes the geo overall feel right again. Stunned how smooth and relatively fast the Big Apples are, if anything I'm rolling faster with them vs the 40mm Mondials (that could also just be fitness improving too).



The current configuration, gave up on the drops and went to Jones Loop H-Bars, Paul Thumbies, Avid Speed Dial levers. Axiom Paddywagon bag, Surly Nice Rack, 40mm Mondials.



Another change playing with things on the Ogre build. 33mm Sun MTX 33 rims, M525 hubs, and 60mm Schwalbe Big Apples (love them!)


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Old 07-20-13, 12:15 PM   #2
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Very nice! Isn't it great to finally find a good fit? Nice ride, enjoy it for many many miles!

What's your hat size in non-metric? I am 8 1/8, and finding a helmet fit is challenging. Just wondering if that helmet you found might work for me.
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Old 07-20-13, 12:22 PM   #3
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Very nice! Isn't it great to finally find a good fit? Nice ride, enjoy it for many many miles!

What's your hat size in non-metric? I am 8 1/8, and finding a helmet fit is challenging. Just wondering if that helmet you found might work for me.
Thanks. According to hat charts I'm a 7 7/8. I was out in Austin and must have gone to a dozen western shops and could not find a cowboy hat in hundreds that fit heh. I was glad this one worked. It might fit you but I've got it fully opened so it will be close. The Bell XLV is another to check out.

Oh and POC Trabec, won't fit you, was far smaller than this one. Had to return it.
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Sweet bike. Congrats!
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Old 07-20-13, 01:06 PM   #5
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I've been trying to sell my husband on getting an Ogre or a Troll and put trekking bars on the bike or keep the swept back bars that are standard on it.

I like your set up with the drops but spouse does not like drop bars.
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Old 07-20-13, 04:01 PM   #6
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I've been trying to sell my husband on getting an Ogre or a Troll and put trekking bars on the bike or keep the swept back bars that are standard on it.

I like your set up with the drops but spouse does not like drop bars.
I'm years out of date but these drops have a cool feature. The flats are actually flat or oblong, that, plus the extended size of hoods now is really cool. Lot of combinations up top and the drops when I want them too.

I was very close to flat bars but remembered how I didn't like my old Rockhopper for rides over a half hour years ago due to flat bars.

Show him the Salsa Woodchipper drops, I nearly got those. The drops are shallow and splayed out on an open angle.
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Thanks. According to hat charts I'm a 7 7/8. I was out in Austin and must have gone to a dozen western shops and could not find a cowboy hat in hundreds that fit heh. I was glad this one worked. It might fit you but I've got it fully opened so it will be close. The Bell XLV is another to check out.

Oh and POC Trabec, won't fit you, was far smaller than this one. Had to return it.
Cool, thanks. I got lucky with my first helmet, some kind of Bontrager XL. It's getting funky, so I will be in the market for one. Thanks for the tips.
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The Ogre rocks, too. I will have to keep that one in mind for my next bike decision.
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I've been seriously considering an Ogre for my next frameset. The bike I rode for most of 18 years has very similar geometry to the Ogre but I wanted to experiment with more road-oriented geometry so I bought a Handsome Devil frameset. It's a really nice bike but I'm starting to think I actually prefer a more MTB geometry. I put my old bike back together and will ride it some and if that is the case, I will seriously consider buying an Ogre. I want the longer wheelbase of the Ogre as well as the drivetrain/brake versatility and especially the ability to run Schwalbe Big Apples.
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I purchased a Karate Monkey last winter and love it. If there is a "all around" bike these are it. The Karate Monkey is the same without all of the braze ons. One word of caution, after a rear flat tire I didnt tighten the skewer enough. When I applied the brakes the wheel was forced out of the rear drop out thus bending my rotor and forcing me to cut the chain to remove the wheel. I then had to get a ride home. Enjoy your bike.
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Nice ride...looks good...
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Not sure if the link will work, but my first ride on the Ogre

  • 6.2mi Distance
  • 57ft Elevation
  • 30:26 Moving Time
  • 335 Calories

http://app.strava.com/activities/68701838

Took a wheezing run through the local MUP loop to test out the new bike and get a feel for riding again. Hell, I'm so stale I wobble around the parking lot until I get moving.

Very happy with the bike. It's a complete tank of a ride though, so particularly this big, it is no lightweight. Exactly what I wanted though, I can't imagine anything I would do to break this sucker.

I really like the choice of 40's for tires so far, the MUP typical bumps it just rolls over and the bits of light dirt paths I did, it just sailed along. I think they are the rugged, crusing along, compromise tires I wanted.

The Specialized Max helmet is perfect, totally forgot I had it on my head...job done.

Still adjusting to the bar end shifters, I'm sure in a few rides I'll have them memorized. The XT gearing should be perfect, it's wide steps but covers a broad range in the same regard and with the use I expect, I'm glad to have the range.

Only hit one snag in the mountainous regions of the MUP. In the far reaches of the trail there are crews of ruffians waiting in the forest for unsuspecting cyclists. There I was, spinning out my 52 ring when suddenly they were upon me. It must have been 30 of them easy, blocked the trail and stopped me.
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"Listen dude, if you are going to ride *our* trail, there are a few things you need to understand. First, those decals have to go. Do you forget that bicycling can be dangerous? Then why do you have that stupid sticker on your frame?"

"Next, what are you doing with stainless bottle cages out here? Does this look like some sort of marine sanctuary? If you want to carry water out here you need Ti or CF cages, or you need to be out here in the dark where nobody will see you. Got it?"

"Also, what is with that stem? You planning on staking tomatoes to that thing? If you want to ride out here in daylight, we expect you to lose that alloy parts bin special, flip it, and slam it. There are children here, no need for them to see a steerer tube like that on a Sunday."
I was as shocked as the next guy and asked them where in the world they got such a twisted view of the world. They said their parents taught them, that they learned it from BikeForums.


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If the bar ends drive you nutz, get paul thumbies and put them where ever you want them on the bar
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Old 07-23-13, 09:09 AM   #14
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If the bar ends drive you nutz, get paul thumbies and put them where ever you want them on the bar
Oh cool, so they are just brackets the barcons pop on. Nice tip.
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There are a couple of pictures of them at the tail end of my LHT unboxing
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Old 07-23-13, 01:19 PM   #16
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I purchased a Karate Monkey last winter and love it. If there is a "all around" bike these are it. The Karate Monkey is the same without all of the braze ons. One word of caution, after a rear flat tire I didnt tighten the skewer enough. When I applied the brakes the wheel was forced out of the rear drop out thus bending my rotor and forcing me to cut the chain to remove the wheel. I then had to get a ride home. Enjoy your bike.
Yeah thank you for this, it hadn't occurred to me and I stumbled on other threads talking about the forces on the axle from discs vs the dropout types and skewers on these frames. I'll definitely pay more attention to setting high tension on the QR levers as a result with the discs on this frame.
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Old 07-27-13, 11:19 AM   #18
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The Fat Man Bonkd in The Park II

  • 8.6mi Distance

  • 85ft Elevation ... the vast mountains of the MUP

  • 39:54 Moving Time

  • 481 Calories


Ride 2 (been out of town on business), added a couple miles and found my current, sad, limits today. Got a bit tired and decided to stop for some water for a few minutes. I *thought* I spun down long enough and mis judged...so it took a bit to catch my breath. It was funny, while spinning I didn't feel so out of breath, just a bit tired, but after stopping I realized I was a bit past "the line" heh.

So I sat a few minutes and caught my breath, and thought I'd be good to go. I got back on the bike, went to kick the pedal and dropped ... fell right over, heh. Managed to skin my knee a bit (First Scars! Yes!), and rested a bit more. All in all a great ride today, but a reminder of just how out of shape I am. Also, a reminder that the MUP in the park is a good place for me for a while. I didn't get moving until after 11 today so it was also a bit warmer than I'd like for my current master fitness level.

The new shoes, the Garnier Montanas, though I didn't set up the clips yet, are really nice. Much nicer contact with the pedal vs my light hiking boots, I pretty much forgot they were on my feet. I'll stick to using them on the platforms for now, the match is good and frankly after today's bonking I'm not sure I need to add being clipped in to the equation yet.

Still sorting out my fit a bit, I think my stem may be still a bit long of a reach. My pedal/knee position is adjusted properly, but it still feels a bit long of a reach to the hoods vs the back corners of the flats. I find myself slipping to the front of the saddle, which of course is not optimal.Believe it or not, I think I'm at the smallest end of the fit spectrum for the XXL Ogre at 6'5", this is a big bike.
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Old 07-28-13, 12:36 PM   #19
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Fatso Rides With Tools in The Park

No...not the other riders...actual tools.

  • 8.3mi Distance
  • 84ft Elevation - Strava definitely isn't accurate with elevations heh
  • 43:14 Moving Time
  • 447 Calories

    After yesterdays knock to the knee, I was feeling kind of stiff this morning. I think I mildly hyper-extended it, it has that awesome crunchy dull pain in the back of the knee feeling. I'm glad I went out for a nice easy spin, it loosened it up nicely today.

    Did a bunch of fit tweaks today based on advice. Funny how counterintuitive some of the changes can be vs how they feel. I moved the saddle forward and raised it a cm, also adjusted the tilt, nose up about a degree from where I had it. I feel far more centered on the saddle now...amazing how small changes make a difference.

    I also took spacers out of the steerer and settled at one spacer lower than I was. This also helped and I think helped the saddle feel too...odd. Leaning over a bit more must rotate my hips in a way that lowers the pressure on the nose of the saddle, completely counterintuitive, but it woiked.

    I also rotated the bars back about 10deg so the hoods feel a lot more balanced when I'm on them.

    It looked like rain, so it was a perfect day. A bit cool, slight drizzle, had the MUP nearly to myself. Took it a bunch easier today, took a break between laps, a great ride. Now back to the work grind where I'll spend all week wishing I had time to ride.

    A pic from the wilds of the MUP. The bag on the back is a Kriega R5 tail bag for a motorcycle that I have. It's a roll top dry bag and it's turning out to be pretty awesome as a utility short trip bag. Holds all the flat tools, multi tools, wallet, keys etc. and it's low profile so everything isn't flying around and clanking. If you have a large rack like the Surly nice I have, it's a great bag for general short trips.

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Cool bike and cool build; I like it a lot.
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nice... my first 29er was a karate monkey... i LOVED that thing... wish I hadn't sold it
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Old 07-28-13, 01:20 PM   #22
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for drop bars... is this the same one? http://www.jensonusa.com/Dimension-F...Black-318mm-44

I put that on a build a few years back with barcon shifters... it looked odd on the classic frame geo but it made it so I could use the entire bar comfortably
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I'm not sure on the bar model. The shop picked them and it's not noted on the list.

I think they are the flat top, shallow reach but not positive.
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Old 08-02-13, 12:24 PM   #24
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New milestone a whopping 10mi ride
10.7mi
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  • 124ft Elevation
  • 56:31 Moving Time
  • 605 Calories
I ditched the Specialized Phenom for now, it was flat painful. I love the way it looks silly as that sounds, but it was really just not great. I'd got it adjusted to a nice spot but wasn't adjusting to just how hard it is and still had some soft tissue and circulation issues.

So I ordered up one of the funky Adamo ISM Century saddles and got that roughed in today on the ride. Far far better. If I stood up with the Specialized, I got a "whoosh" of circulation returning. With this saddle, standing up is just standing up, it doesn't seem to restrict circulation or pressure me at all. Vastly more comfortable and I'm merely stiff vs flat out sore after the ride today.

I hate the look of the Adamo, it's got tacky branding and multi-colors all over it, but it really does feel good. Time will tell.

I still think a zero-offset seat post and about 10mm shorter stem will finish out the last of the fiddling around with fit. Getting very close now.
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Old 08-02-13, 12:33 PM   #25
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I think most of us understand the "look" of a nice racing saddle...

you're right... the new saddle is a bit goofy looking... but so is my brooks that I've grown to love... as a fat guy that roams the streets in spandex I don't think I can say much about fashion lol...

as for the non setback post... thats what I had on the Karate monkey... I think the way the seatube bends lends itself to that nicely...

and I'm pretty sure those are the same bars... good bars... comfy in all the various hand placments and shallow drop actually made them usable.
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