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    Quote Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
    Autism rates are higher because one can get funding for the treatment of autism. Many conditions which used to have different names are now diagnosed as "Autism" because it is often the only way that funding and treatment can be achieved. I.e., Pervasive Developmental Disability used to be a common diagnosis - or at least a descriptor - of a condition. Not so much now.
    And, frankly, a lot of kids who would previously have been diagnosed as 'That Kid Is Weird' are now diagnosed as ASD. My older son has ASD, and I KNOW that had he grown up when I did, he'd have been diagnosed as 'That Kid Is Weird', and no treatment would have been forthcoming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
    It's fuel, not poison. It exists naturally in any number of healthy foods like fruit. An appropriate amount is that amount which does not exceed your need for fuel, in a diet that provides all the other nutrients you need.
    I didn't suggest it is poison, I only stated that it is unnecessary (to sustain a normal healthy lifestyle as are all carbs)

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    It's a reasonable inference from your statement.
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    Still going to work up some links for you all, but this one passed my way today from Newsweek. I hope Newsweek is still a credible source. The info in the article I have been reading about for some time and I consider it to be accurate.

    http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/29/a...s-obesity.html

    Autism- Yes, I can agree that many just get lumped into the Autistic label because they can be. Unfortunately there are a lot more that have unexplained behaviour problems the DO get improved with a change in diet. Many dont but connections on what their mothers ate becomes a factor and even what drugs their GRANDMOTHER took has been found to be gene changing to cause major problems in the third generation.

    Like I said in my first post, I was just as skeptical as many of you are. Eventually there were writers who composed papers that made sense and were backed up with references. People are starting to doubt "facts" spread with millions of dollars from companies like Coke, Pepsi, Nestle and Monsanto, especially when they were caught ILLEGALLY hiding their money spent for a recent labeling initiative in WA. What are they REALLY hiding?

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    I suspect that the issue with autism and the other associated disorders are more to do with foetal alcohol syndrome.

    But no-one wants to talk about that, because it's not the sort of subject that goes down well at the bar over a couple of beers, or the dining room table with a couple of wines, or at the big game on a Saturday night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    I suspect that the issue with autism and the other associated disorders are more to do with foetal alcohol syndrome.

    But no-one wants to talk about that, because it's not the sort of subject that goes down well at the bar over a couple of beers, or the dining room table with a couple of wines, or at the big game on a Saturday night.
    Problem with that is that it's only the last 20-30 years that women stopped drinking during pregnancy. Before that - when autism rates were lower - women drank right through pregnancy. And smoked, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
    Diet, in terms of what you eat and how it affects you, is not a one size fits all. One of the more interesting examples of this I have seen (and post once in a while) is from Outside magazine, where a writer trys the then trendy: Abs Diet, the Paleo Diet for Athletes, the Mediterranean Prescription, the Okinawa Program, the advice of a personal nutritionist, and the USDA's nutritional pyramid.
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    http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness...-vs--Food.html

    all in all eating fresher, less processed, more homemade where you know exactly what the ingredients are is not a bad idea.
    Interesting link, thanks!
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    Nice to see they put that story online. They have a done a number of nutrition vs athletics articles lately.

    Many people tolerate certain foods/chemicals much better than others. While I am certain that HFCS was the biggest contributor to my being diabetic, others still ingest large quantities with no problem. Same with something like nutrasweet. Some cannot ingest it at all without becoming ill.

    Lets add another one to the list- Why are there so many more people with allergies to easy common items like peanuts?

    There really is something to whats ended up in our bodies, but its also difficult to find out what it may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
    Problem with that is that it's only the last 20-30 years that women stopped drinking during pregnancy. Before that - when autism rates were lower - women drank right through pregnancy. And smoked, too.
    You think women have stopped drinking during pregnancy? Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    You think women have stopped drinking during pregnancy? Really?
    Yes, I absolutely do. Sure, AT THE MARGINS, there will always be the alcoholic women who drink throughout pregnancy, but they're not the ones having the Autistic and ASD children. If it were related to alcohol, it would not be INCREASING, and it would not be manifesting itself in so many families that 'do everything right', i.e. teetotaling during pregnancy etc.

    The thing about your suggestion is that it can be evaluated against reality, as you would evaluate any hypothesis. It would predict that autistic and ASD children would tend to be born to alcoholic women, and unless there's been an increase in alcoholism in women there should be no increase in rates of autism, and AFAIK there's no evidence of that.Similarly, there should have been more Autism before women were told to stop drinking during pregnancy. The parents of the Baby Boom had never heard such, and so they drank, and smoked, pretty much as they did when NOT pregnant. Yet autism rates rose more after the news about not drinking during pregnancy came out.

    Fetal alcohol syndrome is real, it's a recognized set of effects, but autism is not one of them.
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    You are making a lot of assumptions about this. First of all, women do not need to be alcoholics to consume enough alcohol during pregnancy to cause FAS. Secondly, people are notorious for hiding their drinking or underestimating the amount they have consumed. I don't think parents of baby boomers drank nearly as much as the current generation does because of the restrictions on outlet trading hours, and because alcohol was not regarded as much as a fashion accessory as it is now.

    I did a casual search and came up with this link that indicates there is some crossover in diagnosis between FAS and autism... whether it is right or wrong.
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    Alcohol consumption statistics do not show a rise in consumption corresponding to the gestation of the children who now make up the rise in Autism and ASD. And if you don't think alcohol was as much a fashion accessory as it is now, I suggest you watch a few old movies.

    It's an interesting hypothesis, but like any hypothesis it makes predictions, like that per capita alcohol consumption would rise, and that states with the highest alcohol consumption would also have the highest level of autism and ASD. Indeed, alcohol consumption dropped a bit in the 1990s relative to the 1980s, yet it's in the generation gestated in the 1990s that you see the big rise in Autism and ASD, and Utah, with the lowest level of alcohol consumption of the 50 states has one of the highest Autism/ASD prevalence rates.

    The data just aren't there to support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
    Alcohol consumption statistics do not show a rise in consumption corresponding to the gestation of the children who now make up the rise in Autism and ASD. And if you don't think alcohol was as much a fashion accessory as it is now, I suggest you watch a few old movies.

    It's an interesting hypothesis, but like any hypothesis it makes predictions, like that per capita alcohol consumption would rise, and that states with the highest alcohol consumption would also have the highest level of autism and ASD. Indeed, alcohol consumption dropped a bit in the 1990s relative to the 1980s, yet it's in the generation gestated in the 1990s that you see the big rise in Autism and ASD, and Utah, with the lowest level of alcohol consumption of the 50 states has one of the highest Autism/ASD prevalence rates.

    The data just aren't there to support it.

    Alcohol Stats

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    I don't know how old you are, but I lived in the baby boomer birth years -- I am one of those baby boomers. I can tell you that alcohol consumption by women then was not as high as it is now. Full stop.
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