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Old 07-23-13, 02:29 PM   #1
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Fix spokes or get new rim?

Well as the title says, not sure which to do. My current rim is bent and was not able to be brought into tru, and now I have 4 busted spokes on the back wheel. LBS said it would be about $25 plus parts to fix...
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I'm not following. Bent and not able to be brought into tru? $25 plus parts? What parts? Can it not be trued because of the broken spokes? IMHO, and I'm far from a wheel expert, but with four broken spokes, I'd be tempted to replace the wheel with a good, hand-built, properly tensioned wheel.

What kind of bike? How much do you weigh? What type of riding?
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Rim as already bent, and now 4 spokes are broken. I currently weigh 302.2 but started riding a bit over a year ago at close to 450. I ride exclusively on the road, and I have a hybrid bike.
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sounds like it's time to have a new wheel built...
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Rim as already bent, and now 4 spokes are broken. I currently weigh 302.2 but started riding a bit over a year ago at close to 450. I ride exclusively on the road, and I have a hybrid bike.
Very nice job! 150 lbs in just over a year!!!!

I would venture to say that if you get a wheel built for you - CORRECTLY - you wouldn't have any more problems. I'm impressed that whatever you had held up for over a year with the weight you started at.

Again, I'm no expert, but I've heard many people suggest Velocity Deep V with something like a 105 or Ultegra hub. Others like the DT Swiss 585.

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A new wheel built by a reputable wheel builder that understands the needs of Clydes gets my vote.
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I'd just pay the $25 bucks for the spoke and their time to re true them . Ask if they can check the tension of the other spokes too.
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I'd be tempted to replace the wheel with a good, hand-built, properly tensioned wheel.
I went into a local bike shop with four broken spokes and the rather gruff dude running the shop told me the wheel was improperly built with cheap spokes (Bontrager wheel had come stock on Trek 7.2FX, had two broken spokes fixed at Trek store previously) He told me he'd rebuild the wheel for a $100. Seemed steep, but I was tired of chasing broken spokes, so I consented. The wheel is still going strong. I then bought my aluminum road bike from he guy. 5k miles later the wheels are still true. I got my track bike there and will probably get my carbon bike there too.

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If the rim is bent then I don't see how it will ever be enjoyable to ride. Also at our weight I think you'd be likely to be breaking a lot of spokes in the future. That is a reasonable price quote for the spoke replacement. If the shop builds many wheels they may be a good place to have a wheel built. When I had an older wheel start to break spokes on a regular basis I had my lbs build a wheel with a deep v rim (somewhat pricey) and a shimano tiagra hub (relatively inexpensive). The only thing that wheel has needed with a 300lb commuter on it for the last three years has been standard overhaul of the hub (new bearings and grease). With 36 14g spokes and labor the wheel cost about $160, but I have not for a minute regretted it.
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I'd just pay the $25 bucks for the spoke and their time to re true them . Ask if they can check the tension of the other spokes too.
They tried trueing it up back in may but with the double wall steel they said it simply wouldn't bend back to round(or something to that effect).
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After 4 broken spokes? I'd say time for all new spokes at the minimum. If 4 have fatigued at this point, I'm sure there are others.

I see your hybrid(?) in your blog, looks to me like aluminum rims not steel. If they are aluminum, I think the shop is pulling your leg because I had a wheel near taco before and it was repaired near perfect and even better than before. I'm guessing this had to do with the guy that repaired it and did a very good job of adjusting the correct tension to the spokes.

Your wheel looks big enough to be more than durable, I say if you buy a new wheel, find another shop to help you out.
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After 4 broken spokes? I'd say time for all new spokes at the minimum. If 4 have fatigued at this point, I'm sure there are others.

I see your hybrid(?) in your blog, looks to me like aluminum rims not steel. If they are aluminum, I think the shop is pulling your leg because I had a wheel near taco before and it was repaired near perfect and even better than before. I'm guessing this had to do with the guy that repaired it and did a very good job of adjusting the correct tension to the spokes.

Your wheel looks big enough to be more than durable, I say if you buy a new wheel, find another shop to help you out.
i never checked before but your right...Weinmann XC260 Double Wall. Seems it is an alloy wheel not steel.
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i never checked before but your right...Weinmann XC260 Double Wall. Seems it is an alloy wheel not steel.
Weinmann has some good stuff an they have been around for a loooong time. That wheel should hold your 300 lb as I am 270 and riding narrow rims.

If there are any other shops around, I'd probably look for a better outfit.

Some future advice. You can call my advice lame loud noise like others have (but end up with proper adjustments in the end) or you can take it as advice of experience.

Whether you go with a totally new rim, or just replace all the spokes on the current wheel, HAVE THE WHEEL CHECKED AND READJUST THE TENSION AFTER 200 MILES OR SO. I at 230+ lbs have never had a hand built or off the shelf wheel hold it's tension properly for too long. At about 200 miles or so, the spokes settle, stretch, break in, whatever they do and they lose tension allowing movement. That movement like bending a wire coat hanger over and over eventually allows the spoke to break.

If you ride it for a bit (200 miles) then have it readjusted, it will last 20,000 miles. Mine did with one minor true at 13,000 miles. The readjustment will make for good tension after the break in period and will hold for a real long time.

I build my own wheels and I do the same thing. I'm not sure why but every wheel builder has told me that I would not need that adjustment but none have ever held causing broken spokes at app 2000 miles. I'm talking rear wheels! Got to the point where a builder says I don't need it, he's wasting my time cause he doesn't know Clyde riders.

Maybe it's pride thing with wheel builders but I have had a couple of forum builders argue different about the adjustment and I have challenged them to build a wheel for me just to prove them wrong. Of course I would pay for the wheel but they do not accept my challenges.

Final thought. I build my won wheel, I do the adjustment and my wheels last 20,000+ with little to no maintenance!
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If a wheel has begun to collapse or taco due to excessive spoke tension, Beanz is correct in saying that it can easily be brought back into shape by reducing the tension, retruing and retensioning to within its limits. However, if a wheel is badly flat spotted, dented or bent, while it might be brought back into some semblance of true it will not be possible to do so while maintaining appropriate tension balance between spokes. Subsequently, you would be likely to suffer continuing issues. Without looking at the rim in person and without knowing its full history I couldn't really say which case yours might be.

But, I say, "Celebrate the -150# by rewarding yourself with a new set of wheels for the miles that are to come!" Components would depend on your budget. But, the stock standard clyde answer is the ubiquitous Shimano 105 hubs paired with some reasonably stout rims (Velocity Deep V or Dyad, DT Swiss 585 or TK540, Hed Belgium C2) laced up with some quality spokes and brass nipples. You should be good to go for another 20,000 miles.
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Well as the title says, not sure which to do. My current rim is bent and was not able to be brought into tru, and now I have 4 busted spokes on the back wheel. LBS said it would be about $25 plus parts to fix...
Get a new wheel. If you've got a trashed rim and four broken spokes the chances are fixing your current one will be a temporary measure and in a few months you'll be back where you started.

Unless "$25 plus parts to fix" means $25 plus a rim plus spokes plus your existing hub to build you a new wheel using new rim and spokes and reusing your existing hub, in which case it's worth considering.

When I broke my back wheel I took the opportunity to learn how to build a wheel myself and am now riding around on my first ever wheel build. If you've got the money to buy the parts and a halfway decent truing stand and the inclination to give it a go (and the time to fiddle with it) you might want to have a go.

ETA: I went with a DT Swiss RR465 rim and DT Swiss Competition spokes (the 14/15 gauge ones, not the thinner ones). I splurged a little and went for a Hope Pro III hub but for most purposes a Shimano 105 should do just as well.
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I had my rim bend on me, went to the LBS, they quoted me 12 bucks to fix 'er up, ended up costing me 18.
I know nothing about wheels / spoke tension, but did notice one spoke was very loose (almost no tension?) Like a week later I hit a 1 inch diameter stick and broke two spokes, sent the rim out of whack again.
Please note: my wheel was 40$ brand new, and as others have said, you get what you pay for.


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Bought a new bike, of course!
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Would this be a good setup?
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Would this be a good setup?
I'd use double butted spokes, and I'd lace three cross. Double butted spokes are marginally better, so that's not a huge deal. But I absolutely go three cross. four cross on a 105 hub will have the spokes crossing at, or very near, the head of next spoke. That's a recipe for spoke breakage. Four cross is stronger in 36 spoke wheels, because the spokes are more tangent to the hub, which reduces windup on them. But 36 X 3 is good enough, if they're tensioned properly and stress relieved.
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I will start saving up, for now ill pay the $25 and see how far it takes me. Thanks everyone!
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Would this be a good setup?
On the mechanic side of things:

-I would have to look at the flange diameter of shimano 105 hubs, but, I don't think they warrant 4X lacing. If you're 300# or less 3X will be adequate and provides more than enough tangential loading.

-Ditch the Blue PWB home brand spokes in preference to the name brand DT Champion, Competition or Sapim Leader or Strong.

Aesthetics:

-I recommend against the coloured rims. Assuming that choice is because your bike has some other blue on it. It is very difficult to nearly impossible to coordinate various components and the colours never end up matching, which tends to leave a real piece meal look to things. Stick to silver or black for rims. Then they'll move to your next n+1 without issue.

- So, pick a bit of a theme on the silver or black side of things. Personally I find it easier to keep silver spokes, hubs and nipples clean and looking decent. So I lean toward those in combination with black rims.
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On the mechanic side of things:

-I would have to look at the flange diameter of shimano 105 hubs, but, I don't think they warrant 4X lacing. If you're 300# or less 3X will be adequate and provides more than enough tangential loading.

-Ditch the Blue PWB home brand spokes in preference to the name brand DT Champion, Competition or Sapim Leader or Strong.

Aesthetics:

-I recommend against the coloured rims. Assuming that choice is because your bike has some other blue on it. It is very difficult to nearly impossible to coordinate various components and the colours never end up matching, which tends to leave a real piece meal look to things. Stick to silver or black for rims. Then they'll move to your next n+1 without issue.

- So, pick a bit of a theme on the silver or black side of things. Personally I find it easier to keep silver spokes, hubs and nipples clean and looking decent. So I lean toward those in combination with black rims.
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Plus silver spokes and nipples cost less.

IF your bike is the Raleigh Detour, that's a hybrid and uses Mountain Bike spacing on the rear. 135mm vs 130mm.

I think you can do it cheaper though-
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Take the money you save and buy a couple cone wrenches, a tub of grease and a couple bags of bearing balls and service the bearings yourself.

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Double check your rear spacing, I see a Detour with a shimano M475 hub that is a 135mm spacing. Not that your wrong, they may flip flop it over the years.

Here's what they are building for me. Should be here in two weeks

Rear HubSHIMANO 105 FH5700 BLACK REAR HUB Price $82.00
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|Axle Width QR 130mm
|Shimano/SRAM 8,9 or 10spdRear Lacing PatternLacing: Four CrossRear NippleDT SWISS SILVER BRASS 14G 12MM NIPPLE Price $0.10Rear RimVELOCITY DEEP V MSW BLACK 700C REAR RIM Price $63.00
|Drillings 36
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|Velox for 1 wheel + 4.00Rear SpokeDT SWISS CHAMPION 14 GAUGE BLACK SPOKES Price $1.17

As for 4 cross vs 3 cross, I don't see why you wouldn't go 4 cross on a rear wheel. No price increase and its stronger.
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I am very likely wrong lol, just was going off the recommendations.
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