EDITED because I thought my response was missing the point.
My point was that there is no evidence that taking off weight slowly is better than taking it off quickly. I rarely claim conclusive proof, as can be seen from my signature.
Originally Posted by bbbean
I reviewed your previous post again and see that much of what you were saying had to do with the problems of continuing with short term dramatic changes, like intense exercise and ultra low calorie diets. I am sorry, I did rather ignore that point. I ignored it because no one wants to continue with an ultra low calorie diet when the weight is off, they will begin a maintenance program. I am not aware that it is any harder to transition from an ultra low calorie diet to a maintenance diet than it is to transition from a less dramatic diet to a maintenance diet. What research there is does not indicate that it is harder. Both are hard.
Now you're making assumptions about my assumptions. What I actually said was 'long term change yields long term results'. "Long term" is the key concept. If you can keep up at 1000 calorie/4 hours of cycling a day regimen in the long term, you'll certainly lose weight and keep it off, but I doubt many can keep that sort of thing up for too long.
As far as overdoing it with exercise, you may be right. People might burn themselves out with over exercise and drop the program. I don't know.
Funny that it rarely happens. You don't even need to go back to bad habits. You can get fat on a 100 calories extra a day. The metabolic hit those who lost weight is likely higher than that.
Consider - you gained weight for a reason. At the simplest level, you were consuming more calories than you were burning. If you reverse that trend for, say 6 months (i.e. short term change), but then return to the eating and exercise habits you had before, you will simply gain the weight back. On the other hand, if you change your eating and exercise habits long term and keep your consumption and exercise in balance, you will reach a stable weight and stay there.
OK, then you know it isn't easy for many and the odds are against you and that my first point is true, long term changes are not sustainable for many.
Yes. I know those things both from my own reserch and personal experience. Thank you so much for the opportunity to establish my bona fides.
If you are achieving that balance, great! Why would I tell you that you are not if you are? Why would I even tell someone that they will fail? I don't tell myself that. It may not be common but there are people who keep lost weight off. All of us here want to be one of the few.
I can tell you what worked for me, but I get the impression I'd just be inviting you to tell me all the reasons I can't continue to balance my consumption and exercise.
I think I made my point adequately. We are talking past each other. You say eat less and change your lifestyle with the view to the long term and you will keep the weight off. I keep saying that there are reasons why many people can't keep that up.
I have no idea what your point is here, but I suspect you're working under the delusion that the rest of us don't have the same grasp of the subject you do. While that is possible, I doubt it. I
I did think about your comment, that I think that I know more than the rest of you. Basically, that I am patronizing. I am sorry if I come off that way. I do think that there are not a lot of posters on this forum that have read as much research on weight loss as I have. I am a research junkie. I am retired. I have a lot of free time and access to journals. :) I am sure that there are others like me as well. But I am the person who generally cites research. I don't do it as much as I used to because often my posts were not well received. Because the research finding rarely had encouraging messages I pretty much dropped posting about them. I don't want to be a party pooper.