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    Clydesdale on Campagnolo Hyperon Tubulars?

    Hi there fellows,

    This is my first post here, I joined looking for advice.

    I started cycling less than two years ago, with an old Raleigh Delta. Was 430+ pound back then. Im about 300 now, at 6 and 2". I've a sport life behind as a heavyweight in judo. Uhm, I'm 45 years old. Moved to an aluminium Hybrid Cannondale at some point, then old steel roadbikes - again a Raleigh with mavic cxp 33 and various other oldies. Then aluminium, a Pinarello Surprise with Campa Khamsins, a bike I still use. Recently I got an Easton Alu frame with carbon forks and Easton Vista SL, a bike that I ended up using in all my longer weekend trips - thats 60 to 90 miles in average.

    Now I own, via a swap, a sweet deal on a carbon wheelset. Older, but in great condition. Tubulars. Campagnolo Hyperon. First I thought I should sell them. Then I decided I shoud try them at least fro a few miles ride. Uhm... great I'm sold.
    Now I'm looking to replace the tubulars (one is not in great shape, both are 23) with some bigger ones, like the veloflex arenberg at 25. Then I'm thinking to just ride them on and on. I have an older Pinarello Montello with tubulars, like them anyway

    But I keep wondering if among you heavyweights out there I could find some advice on this idea. I ride about 6000 miles per year or more, I'd say. Flat, mostly. Slow rider, I guess, at speeds under 18 mph in average (based on gps apps etc). I like riding and I see this opportunity as a treat, but not sure if I shouldn't lose more weight before trying a longer ride on this great wheelset. Anyway, I probably cannot go below 250 anyway, and that's going to take me a few good months. If I could do that, that is

    I'm not into gear worship, but i like Campa and Italian bikes. So I wouldn't like to ruin the wheels without putting some miles on them. I never ruined a wheelset, actually. Wouldn't like to start with the Hyperons. They are nice indeed.

    Thanks a lot for your friendly advice. Greetings!

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    If you want to use tubs as regular wheelset, I'd highly recommend finding tires with removable valve cores so you can inject about 1oz of stans in the tire. This should help with most flats but not any slashes in the rubber. I run conti gatorskin sprinter but 22C, fairly cheap at $60 per and can run up to 160psi I wanted a stiff ride.

    What is the spoke count of those wheels, if 20+ spokes you should be OK, just keep an eye out after a month of riding to see if they need to be tensioned up again.

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    Thanks. I am ok with Veloflex and tubs in general. I have two wheelsets for clinchers, three for tubulars. I commute and ride mostly with clinchers.

    The spoke count is 22 - 24. Weight is 1230 grams
    I am completely ignorant about carbon rims.

    Here are the specs:

    http://www.campagnolo.com/repository...ART2-04-04.pdf

    As for tensioning, the instructions are:

    Front wheel: 60-80 kg
    Rear wheel - freewheel side: 110-130 kg
    Rear wheel - opposite to freewheel side: 50-70 kg

    How should I tension these for a rider weighing 300 pounds?

    Thanks for the "you should be OK" part, that's what I need to hear in fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by biciclist View Post

    How should I tension these for a rider weighing 300 pounds?
    no such thing, the tension rating is max per the RIM, any more tension can cause the rim to crack. I'd tension to the high side of that chart as long as the rim can still be dished correctly. For heavier riders, this is where the spoke count comes in to the calculations.

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    High side of the chart it is, then Thanks.

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    I wouldn't ride those at your weight. Such a low spoke count on an ultralight carbon rim is asking for trouble. I destroyed a bora @ 170 lbs. folded her right up when my chain broke in a sprint.

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    Hi there Blue Belly!
    Honestly, if a 170 lbs guy like you destroys a Bora, I feel nothing about this event (other than the compassion for your loss, that is). I mean no 170 lbs guy should be worried about riding a Bora based on your experience. But I get your point. And I hope you had no injuries in that accident.
    I know every now and then a carbon wheel will snap, fold etc. I know one guy who had such an accident, but again it wasn't the weight alone, but some weird angles after he had a crash. Not sure, never seen anything like that in alloy It happens with carbon, they say.
    I'm interested in hearing from fellow heavyweights experiencing such rides. When I was 430 pounds, most people told me I shouldn't really ride THAT or THAT bike. The Montello, for example, that proved an extraordinary ride etc. I have a great time with it.
    Thing is I have the wheels. They look nice and classic. No aero profile rim, no colors. Just nice. If I would sell them, I guess I'd spend a lot of time just wondering "what if"...
    There is always the "Heck, let's do it!" factor. I just want to know if riding this particular wheelset sounds suicidal to fellow Clydesdales, as I sort of know how it will sound to a lighter chap. I'll take all the other risks, I guess.
    Thanks!

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    I'd set them aside & use them when you feel you are at your ideal weight. They are great wheels. However, they are ultralight race wheels. Every piece of this wheel set was designed with weight in mind. They are designed for pro tour riders who are normally much smaller than either of us. These riders get a new when when ever they need it. Just as another incentive... Price a new rim for the hyperons. Maybe that will help you decide.
    I have a Montello, as well. Great bike! I don't see why it wouldn't hold up well.

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    Thanks. Ideal weight... Hmm... You mean 250 lbs
    Well, again, price-wise, I would never buy a replacement rim, I guess. I never wanted such a wheelset but came in a bundled deal with a bike where I was hunting a Campa Record group. I had no ideas what wheels I got until I checked the web reviews. So I got this mystical view that they come into my life with a reason. Riding them seems The Path.

    But I got your point. Wait a little, lose more weight. Let's see... Thanks.

    Montello is really wonderful, and I had 4-5 other iconic steel bikes in the last year. None feels so good as this frame. Definitely a keeper.

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    I'd still stay ride them, you'll know the durabilty in a few hundred miles w/ spoke popping or losing true quickly. If those are the case then put them aside for a bit. If not then I'd rock them for near everyday wheels. BTW I wouldn't consider 1200 gram tubulars an uber light race wheels when campy's comp is running their wheels half a pound lighter at sub 1000 grams.

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    thanks jsigone. will put the 700/25 tubulars on it, tension it to the upper scale of the Campa recommended values and just ignore the danger

    and will try to lose a few more pounds in the process, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    I'd still stay ride them, you'll know the durabilty in a few hundred miles w/ spoke popping or losing true quickly.
    Or when the wheel fails catastrophically, as carbon is prone to do, and you end up slamming face first into the pavement at 20+mph.

    Personally, I'm with Blue Belly: if I weighed 300lbs, I would not be using light-weight carbon wheels for day-to-day riding. Heck, I'd think twice about using them on race day: Campagnolo says that the weight limit for the wheels is 240lbs and "If you weigh 82 kg/180 lbs or more, you must be especially vigilant and have your bicycle inspected more frequently (than someone weighing less than 82 kg/180 lbs)." I would be especially worried about used carbon wheels, since you never know exactly what abuse they've been subjected to that might shorten their lifespan or compromise structural integrity...

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    well I guess you can just flip a coin....I couldn't find any weight limits of those wheels. But I think the spokes will pop before the carbon does

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    With used wheels, you never know how many potholes they've been run through at full-speed or how many curbs they've bashed into thus no idea whether the carbon fiber will last or not.

    FYI, I downloaded the owner's manual from Campagnolo and the weight limits were on the first page.

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    I would inspect them constantly for any signs of delamination of the carbon fiber, and try to avoid potholes. Also probably good to stay away from steep grades, climbing gnarly hills can put a lot of torque on the back wheel. I had a back wheel come apart on me on an 18% grade, and it was a 36 spoke aluminum hub/rim. The hub flange cracked and the spokes unwound, and soon I was on my backside. Uninjured, thankfully.

    But yeah, I would ride them too, just under carefully controlled conditions. I like to ride the lightest tires I can on my Paul Taylor, which is my fast road bike, even if said tires have a very short lifespan with a 270lb rider on top of them. I can only imagine how nice a 1200 gram wheelset would feel.

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    Hi there Brons2,

    Thanks a lot, will take care. Anyway, the closest I usually get these days to (18% degree) steep grades is watching them on TV at the Vuelta a Espana The roads I have around me on 100 miles radius are flat, and I have just once travelled to the mountains for a two day ride. Went ok, very slow, with Campa Khamsins. But the descents were wild, not sure I'd go the same route

    And yes, great feeling, that's the crux of tis issue. Can I use them for a longer ride than my initial test ride? Yep. Is this a SURE recipe for disaster, will the wheel catastrophically break and I'll end up slamming face first into the pavement at 20+mph, as our fellow sstorkel suggests it may happen?

    To me, giving them away without even trying would sort of mean that I already slammed face first, I guess. As Clydesdales life is not uncommonly filled with various frustrations and imaginary limits, I tend to question circumstances such as these. And I like to see the Clydesdale's life as filled with many opportunities to enjoy life, instead of... well, having to choose between depression or heart attack. Cycling is such a joy for me. So, when I heard that a pro team rides such wheels in Paris Roubaix, I got some encouragement to move ahead and try them. After the test ride, I sort of knew that I'd stand a better chance with 25 tubulars on and proper tensioning. That's why I'm here for advice, at the end of the day

    Of course my initial reaction was "there's no way I will ever ride this". But then, one year ago I thought the same about road bikes Then I got one for a test ride, it was an old and small steel frame, Bianchi TSX, with some 7 speeds fitted Ambrosio rims. Boy, that was fulfilling A pity it was a 54 frame instead of the 59-61 frames I ride now. But it was a game changer, as small and completely unfit as it was.

    One other funny thing is that they may prove an incentive to lose more weight, not bad in the Clydesdale world, I can safely admit. And if they break, let's just hope it'll be after some mileage and that I'll not physically pay too dearly this extravaganza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post
    FYI, I downloaded the owner's manual from Campagnolo and the weight limits were on the first page.
    Dear sstorkel,

    Thanks for your warnings, you are right, of course, about the unknown state of used wheels and the unlikely "marriage" between a Clydesdale and such a carbon wheel set. I will take them to a pro mechanic for tensioning and close inspection when my order of tubulars hits home.

    Thanks for the hassle of downloading the manual and sharing your opinion. Still, could you tell me what are those weight limits on the first page of the manual: I'm afraid I can't find them.

    Best!

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    When I google for "campagnolo hyperon tubular" this is the #1 result:

    http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/whe...e_catid_11.jsp

    From there, you can easily find a link to the owner's manual:

    Part One
    Part Two

    That's the info for the latest version of the wheels. Dunno if yours are an exact match, but I would think they're similar. If not, poke around under the 'Documents' menu on Campy's site and you can probably find what you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post
    That's the info for the latest version of the wheels. Dunno if yours are an exact match, but I would think they're similar. If not, poke around under the 'Documents' menu on Campy's site and you can probably find what you need.
    Thanks a lot. It's not the same model, but it's a good information. So what they say is:

    "If you weigh over 240 lbs we advise you not to use this product."

    Not bad, if you ask me. I should get to 239, I guess. But then, I wonder how many time this advice was ignored by fellow heavyweights? Any first-hand experience on this forum that you could share on riding outside the manufacturer's suggested limits?

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