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    Overbuilt wheel saved my @$$ today!

    Ok, so coming home from work today.

    Long line of traffic on a 2% downhill. It's always backed up. I can usually hold 15 mph passing the cars on the shoulder. Today there's a horse trailer blocking the shoulder.

    Anyway, I just can't sit in traffic when I could be rolling down hill at that.

    I go off road thinking I can pass it. I crank it up hitting about 17, can't get back on pavement as there's like a 2'' ledge... Coming up fast is a huge hole, about 2 bike lengths long and about a 1 1/2 deep.

    I figure I'm going down. I try and pick a line where it will hurt less...

    So I go airborne twice, with a 20-ish lb pack at 17-ish.

    Didn't go down and my "Wheels of the Apocalypse" didn't fold up. In fact, both still true!

    This is the third time they didn't get damaged when I did something ever so dumb.

    So maybe there's something to having a margin of safety, overbuilt seems worth the weight!


    Good wheels are worth it...

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    nice bike handling skills

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    Go go gadget wheels!
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    Check your spoke tension and make sure they're still even...

    Perhaps next time you should avoid bunny hopping huge cavernous ditches.

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    Please share your wheel info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IAMAMRA View Post
    Please share your wheel info!
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    Please share your wheel info!
    yeah that, please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Null66 View Post
    Ok, so coming home from work today.

    Long line of traffic on a 2% downhill. It's always backed up. I can usually hold 15 mph passing the cars on the shoulder. Today there's a horse trailer blocking the shoulder.

    Anyway, I just can't sit in traffic when I could be rolling down hill at that.

    I go off road thinking I can pass it. I crank it up hitting about 17, can't get back on pavement as there's like a 2'' ledge... Coming up fast is a huge hole, about 2 bike lengths long and about a 1 1/2 deep.

    I figure I'm going down. I try and pick a line where it will hurt less...

    So I go airborne twice, with a 20-ish lb pack at 17-ish.

    Didn't go down and my "Wheels of the Apocalypse" didn't fold up. In fact, both still true!

    This is the third time they didn't get damaged when I did something ever so dumb.

    So maybe there's something to having a margin of safety, overbuilt seems worth the weight!


    Good wheels are worth it...
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    Nope, not skill. that's for sure.


    Sorry guys I thought I had posted it.

    700c
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    velocity chukker
    DT double butted Swiss spokes
    48 marathons (plus on the back, regular on the front)...

    Built by a guy who builds some very interesting bikes.
    http://frankscyclery.com/pics.htm

    He said he could build a 36 that would hold me with load, but decided I had had enough of broken things. I hate walking due to break downs.
    It's the third time I did something really dumb and they're still true! They are way over due to be looked at (re-tensioned) but haven't gotten around to it yet. I got the rear first so it's got like 1800 on it, the front a bit over 1300...


    Anyway the bearing are so very smooth and the ratchet in the freehub is nearly silent...

    Pricey? Well, very. The wheels were about 1/2 my total build spend.

    But I'm never gonna see less then 240 lbs. I ride loaded, sometimes over loaded. I will ride as long as I can, even so these should out last me!

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    Whoa! Careful. Sounds like they are some good wheels for sure.

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    About 2 weeks ago my friend and I were running a few errands for his wife via our mountain bikes with 26” x 2.0 street tires (inflated to 70 PSI) and he was leading the way as he knew all the stores we had to stop at. He turned into a shopping center which had smooth asphalt, so we were doing about 22 MPH as we leaned deep into its rounding wide entranceway. I was basically following his line (about 2 feet from the right curb) when BLAAAM; a sudden intense impact and I found myself trying to regain control with a right wrist that felt like it was broken.

    Since I was in a deep lean at the moment of impact, it took every bit of the entranceway’s width to regain control and I was getting really close to its foot high curb (which was beginning to look like a tombstone at that moment ). I came within 2 feet of that left curb, but managed to keep from hitting it. As I rolled to a stop with the grimace of pain on my face via my painful right wrist, my friend had already turned around and asked what happened, as he could see I was in considerable pain. I told him, “I hit something while rounding the bend at the entranceway that had to be deep, but I didn’t see a damn thing as I was making the bend at speed.” It’s extremely rare for me to miss a road imperfection.

    He said, “I heard the impact, but I couldn’t imagine what you could have hit. I didn’t see anything!”

    I told him, “I didn’t see anything either, but I have to go back and see what it was that likely damaged my rims.

    Even as we came upon it (roughly 2 feet from the right curb), it was almost invisible until right on top of it. It was a roughly 10” wide perfectly circular, smoothly rounded hole in the asphalt about 8” deep and I must have hit it at its deepest point, as the impact was horrendous on my entire body. It’s a wonder that I was able to stay upright afterward.

    I thought for certain that one or both of my rims would be bent or at very least, out of true, but to my astonishment, these Rhyno Lite 29.5mm wide, welded seam double-walled rims have lived up to their renowned reputation, as both rims spun true via my tightly adjusted V-Brakes. For inexpensive rims, you just can’t beat their durability. I could tell they were strong when I purchased my first set for my Giant Rincon, so I soon after purchased another set for my RoadMaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Null66 View Post
    700c
    Phill Wood Disc tandem 48h hub
    velocity chukker
    DT double butted Swiss spokes
    48 marathons (plus on the back, regular on the front)...

    Holy moly no wonder your wheels are fine.

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    I built a set of wheels over the Winter for my Hybrid while recovering from my broken leg.
    Sun Rims M13 II's 32 hole.
    Cheap Shimano hubs.
    15/16 DT Swiss DB spokes front & RNDS
    14/15 "" RDS
    Spoke tensions within 5%

    I had about 30 miles on them when a friend & I headed over to visit the old home town in No. ID.
    We toss my bike in his van and I use it while over there.
    Anyway, after getting situated in the motel, I hop on the bike to go about my business.
    I pedal off slowly, looking down at my foot placement (only about a month since I'd gotten back on the bike after my broken tib & fib) since I still have a lot of numbness in that foot.
    I look up and WOW, an "old fashioned" storm sewer grate with the long slots!
    I was able to whip the bars back & forth to keep the front wheel out, but dropped the back wheel in it.
    It almost stopped me dead, but I had just enough forward speed to stay on the bike.
    It bounced my 220? lbs. (at the time) out of the seat about 8-10".
    The wheel had a tiny wobble, but I was still good to go. I'd estimate it at about 1.5mm?)
    A few months later I put it on the truing stand and had all my spoke tensions back to "normal" in a matter of minutes.
    I did have a couple spokes that had the tension down and a VERY slight deformation on the rim, but certainly nothing I'm going to worry about.
    I had a 28mm tire on it at the time, instead of my "normal" 26mm.
    Possibly, IF I'd topped off the air pressure before my ride, I may have had no deformation.
    I have to say I was very pleased with the results, considering........
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    Classic 36h wheel design is tough stuff. Not really paying attention I ran over Road Closed barricade that someone had knocked down in the shadows, I might have been going about 18mph. I had about 2 secs. to lift off the seat and absorb the shock. Guy behind me said it looked like I was skiing moguls. I was a metric century day, finished the ride without drama, wheels stayed true. Araya rims, 1989, 25c Ultremo R1 tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun View Post
    I built a set of wheels over the Winter for my Hybrid while recovering from my broken leg.
    Sun Rims M13 II's 32 hole.
    Cheap Shimano hubs.
    15/16 DT Swiss DB spokes front & RDS
    14/15 "" RDS
    Spoke tensions within 5%

    I had about 30 miles on them when a friend & I headed over to visit the old home town in No. ID.
    We toss my bike in his van and I use it while over there.
    Anyway, after getting situated in the motel, I hop on the bike to go about my business.
    I pedal off slowly, looking down at my foot placement (only about a month since I'd gotten back on the bike after my broken tib & fib) since I still have a lot of numbness in that foot.
    I look up and WOW, an "old fashioned" storm sewer grate with the long slots!
    I was able to whip the bars back & forth to keep the front wheel out, but dropped the back wheel in it.
    It almost stopped me dead, but I had just enough forward speed to stay on the bike.
    It bounced my 220? lbs. (at the time) out of the seat about 8-10".
    The wheel had a tiny wobble, but I was still good to go. I'd estimate it at about 1.5mm?)
    A few months later I put it on the truing stand and had all my spoke tensions back to "normal" in a matter of minutes.
    I did have a couple spokes that had the tension down and a VERY slight deformation on the rim, but certainly nothing I'm going to worry about.
    I had a 28mm tire on it at the time, instead of my "normal" 26mm.
    Possibly, IF I'd topped off the air pressure before my ride, I may have had no deformation.
    I have to say I was very pleased with the results, considering........
    Glad you weren't hurt!
    That was a lot of force concentrated in a small area.
    I've been told that build quality is the determining factor.

    My SO fell last year hitting one of those.
    Even the one with a cross bar half way across give me the willies.


    This makes me feel much better about refitting my old trek as lighter alternative bike as it has a beefy sun/36 on the rear. Unfortunately, it only has room for a 25. But for smooth surface duty I think that should be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnosis View Post
    About 2 weeks ago my friend and I were running a few errands for his wife via our mountain bikes with 26” x 2.0 street tires (inflated to 70 PSI) and he was leading the way as he knew all the stores we had to stop at. He turned into a shopping center which had smooth asphalt, so we were doing about 22 MPH as we leaned deep into its rounding wide entranceway. I was basically following his line (about 2 feet from the right curb) when BLAAAM; a sudden intense impact and I found myself trying to regain control with a right wrist that felt like it was broken.

    Since I was in a deep lean at the moment of impact, it took every bit of the entranceway’s width to regain control and I was getting really close to its foot high curb (which was beginning to look like a tombstone at that moment ). I came within 2 feet of that left curb, but managed to keep from hitting it. As I rolled to a stop with the grimace of pain on my face via my painful right wrist, my friend had already turned around and asked what happened, as he could see I was in considerable pain. I told him, “I hit something while rounding the bend at the entranceway that had to be deep, but I didn’t see a damn thing as I was making the bend at speed.” It’s extremely rare for me to miss a road imperfection.

    He said, “I heard the impact, but I couldn’t imagine what you could have hit. I didn’t see anything!”

    I told him, “I didn’t see anything either, but I have to go back and see what it was that likely damaged my rims.

    Even as we came upon it (roughly 2 feet from the right curb), it was almost invisible until right on top of it. It was a roughly 10” wide perfectly circular, smoothly rounded hole in the asphalt about 8” deep and I must have hit it at its deepest point, as the impact was horrendous on my entire body. It’s a wonder that I was able to stay upright afterward.

    I thought for certain that one or both of my rims would be bent or at very least, out of true, but to my astonishment, these Rhyno Lite 29.5mm wide, welded seam double-walled rims have lived up to their renowned reputation, as both rims spun true via my tightly adjusted V-Brakes. For inexpensive rims, you just can’t beat their durability. I could tell they were strong when I purchased my first set for my Giant Rincon, so I soon after purchased another set for my RoadMaster.
    Great story!

    I swear by Sun Rhino Lites. After killing lots of lesser rims, I won't run any other rim. I've had similar experiences to yours where I just clobbered potholes that I didn't see for one reason or another (usually mid-turn, at speed, like yours, where they are much harder to spot), and these rims take it like a champ!

    I even picked up a 32H front wheel built on a Sun Rhino Lite because it was cheap from a CL seller. Used to be I'd never trust anything less than 36 and I have a 48H for my tourers' rear wheel, but that 32 hole Rhino Lite held up to tremendous abuse. I finally retired it a couple of weeks ago as I had worn through the brake track. I never had to true it until just before I retired it, despite carrying heavy loads on my front rack, a lot of the time those loads being very asymmetrical, and as I said, occasionally clobbering a pothole! I was always surprised when it was still true after a solid hit like that, but no problems.

    Just before I retired it, it started rubbing on one of my brake pads after we set out for a short tour, I had a really heavy load on the front and had taken a long ride downhill, at speed, on a gravel road that the "gravel" was big, sharp rocks that were larger than fist sized. Needless to say, the wheel was taking a beating going over that with a heavy load on the front rack! After well over 4,000 miles*, almost all of it commuting over Seattle's very rough roads, usually with a load over it, and taking the occasional hit, I forgave it for finally going slightly out of true! I had a bike shop look at it en route, and they said all the tension was still good and it was just barely out of true.

    Despite being 280 pounds, carrying heavy loads on my front rack, and traveling over very bad roads to the tune of 15-20 miles a day, 7 days a week, Sun made me a believer in a 32 hole front wheel, something I didn't think possible. Eventually I'll get around to buying another Rhyno Lite rim and rebuild that same wheel and bring it back into the rotation. For the moment, I had a brand new Rhyno Lite 36H waiting for my tourer rebuild which isn't going to happen before next summer anyway.

    It's so nice, especially as a Clyde or Athena, to not have to worry about your wheels!



    * Since I picked it up from a CL seller, I have no idea how many miles it already had on it before I started commuting on it. Hopefully I won't burn through the brake track of the next one so quickly, I've GOT to start wiping off my rims after every rainy ride!
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    My craigslist wheels are starting to poop out. I'm 280 lbs riding 36h matrix titan 622x14ish double wall with eyelets with 700 x 23 tires. These have been very burly wheels, and I could have them trued by someone better than me to get them back into shape. I broke a few spokes - they were nicked from the chain falling into them (and extreme stress). I decided rather than try to get these 30 year old wheels with corroded hubs and rusty eyelets back together, I'll build up a new set. Found an old set of gipiemme hubs on ebay, and just purchased a new set of Sun m13 rims - basically a new version of what I've had good luck with. I've laced wheels before, not real good at spoke tensioning/truing. I'll have about $100 into a not heavy, but strong set of wheels that I may have to get fine tuned by a wheel guy. I'm no expert wheel builder - this should keep me busy this winter. Should look good on my old Raleigh Team USA Competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic Zero View Post
    Great story!

    I swear by Sun Rhino Lites. After killing lots of lesser rims, I won't run any other rim. I've had similar experiences to yours where I just clobbered potholes that I didn't see for one reason or another (usually mid-turn, at speed, like yours, where they are much harder to spot), and these rims take it like a champ!

    I even picked up a 32H front wheel built on a Sun Rhino Lite because it was cheap from a CL seller. Used to be I'd never trust anything less than 36 and I have a 48H for my tourers' rear wheel, but that 32 hole Rhino Lite held up to tremendous abuse. I finally retired it a couple of weeks ago as I had worn through the brake track. I never had to true it until just before I retired it, despite carrying heavy loads on my front rack, a lot of the time those loads being very asymmetrical, and as I said, occasionally clobbering a pothole! I was always surprised when it was still true after a solid hit like that, but no problems.

    Just before I retired it, it started rubbing on one of my brake pads after we set out for a short tour, I had a really heavy load on the front and had taken a long ride downhill, at speed, on a gravel road that the "gravel" was big, sharp rocks that were larger than fist sized. Needless to say, the wheel was taking a beating going over that with a heavy load on the front rack! After well over 4,000 miles*, almost all of it commuting over Seattle's very rough roads, usually with a load over it, and taking the occasional hit, I forgave it for finally going slightly out of true! I had a bike shop look at it en route, and they said all the tension was still good and it was just barely out of true.

    Despite being 280 pounds, carrying heavy loads on my front rack, and traveling over very bad roads to the tune of 15-20 miles a day, 7 days a week, Sun made me a believer in a 32 hole front wheel, something I didn't think possible. Eventually I'll get around to buying another Rhyno Lite rim and rebuild that same wheel and bring it back into the rotation. For the moment, I had a brand new Rhyno Lite 36H waiting for my tourer rebuild which isn't going to happen before next summer anyway.

    It's so nice, especially as a Clyde or Athena, to not have to worry about your wheels!



    * Since I picked it up from a CL seller, I have no idea how many miles it already had on it before I started commuting on it. Hopefully I won't burn through the brake track of the next one so quickly, I've GOT to start wiping off my rims after every rainy ride!
    I failed to mention that my Rhyno Lite 29.5mm wide 26” wheelset is 32-spokes and I weigh about 180 pounds. I don’t like riding on less than 32-spokes and I actually like 36-spokes, but the 32-spoke wheelset was on sale at the time for $89.99 (can’t ask for much lower than that for a durable wheelset). I'm quite impressed with these wheelsets.

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