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    Tall guy stock frames

    It seems there's not a consolidated list of information on which manufacturers make 'tall' frames, and in which models. I thought I'd try and start a list of the stock frames, material, and year. I'm sure this is incomplete; so if I miss stuff, chime in. I've been hunting around for myself and thought having one reference, by year, would be nice.

    2014 -- Carbon
    • Trek Madone 5 (H2) -- 64cm race geometry, ETT 610mm, 654mm stack, 401mm, $3500 and up
    • Trek Madone 6 (H2) -- 64cm race geometry, ETT 610mm, 654mm stack, 401mm reach, $4600 and up
    • Cannondale SuperSix -- 63cm race geometry, ETT 600mm, 620mm stack, 399mm reach, $2300 and up
    • Kona Major Jake (CX)-- 63cm, ETT 615mm, 622mm stack, 419mm reach. $???



    2014 -- Aluminium
    • Carbondale CAAD10 -- 63cm frame, ETT 600 mm, 622mm stack, 399mm reach, race geometry
    • Specialized Secteur Sport/Elite -- 64cm frame, ETT 615mm, 657mm stack, 408mm reach, endurance geometry, $1,000
    • Trek 1.5 -- 64cm frame, 610mm ETT, 654mm stack, 401mm reach, $1200



    2014 -- Steel
    • KHS Flite 747 -- 65cm frame, 620mm ETT, Zinn-geometry, long cranks - $1700
    • Soma ES -- 64/66cm frame, , 608/618mm ETT, $430 frame only
    • Gunnar Roadie 64/66/68cm, 600/610/620mm ETT, 645/664/683mm stack, 398/402/406mm reach
    • Gunnar Crosshairs 64/66/68cm frame, 605/615/620 ETT, 653/672/691mm stack, 400/404/403mm reach and more -- up to 68cm frames, ~$1,000 frame only.
    • Gunnar Fastlane (disk) 64/66/68cm frame, 605/615/620mm ETT, 684/683/702mm stack, 396/400/299mm reach
    • Gunnar Sport 64/66/68cm frame, 600/610/620mm ETT, 658/678/698mm stack, 393/396/400mm reach
    • Other Gunnars also come in up to 68cm
    • Surly Straggler 64cm, ETT 640mm, 640mm stack, 432mm reach
    • Surly touring models (Ogre, LHT) come in 64cm
    • Rivendell has frames up to 71cm
    • Fuji Touring 64cm, ETT 589mm, HT 165mm, $899



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    Carbon
    1. Specialized Roubaix -- some models, none currently listed
    2. Canyon -- frames up to 3XL, ship to many non-US destinations
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    I went through the whole gamut of bikes available here in Aust at the end of last year. Specialized do all bikes in big sizes. Giant also do their aggressive frames in XL 605 ETT (Propel and TCR). Felt (what I ended up buying) do the F series in a 605 ETT and the z series in 595 ETT. 2 makes that I'm pretty sure you don't get in the US (nor do we in Aust) but are possibly the best framed of the big bikes for race orientated cycling are Canyon and Koga. Canyon do 3XL framesets with a 616mm ETT.

    Another one that would be out of reach of most is the Pinarello Dogma. It comes in a 62cm ETT and it's huge. My LBS got one in just after I got my Felt. Nice tall head tube too, which takes some of the aggressiveness out of the frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brawlo View Post
    I went through the whole gamut of bikes available here in Aust at the end of last year. Specialized do all bikes in big sizes. Giant also do their aggressive frames in XL 605 ETT (Propel and TCR). Felt (what I ended up buying) do the F series in a 605 ETT and the z series in 595 ETT. 2 makes that I'm pretty sure you don't get in the US (nor do we in Aust) but are possibly the best framed of the big bikes for race orientated cycling are Canyon and Koga. Canyon do 3XL framesets with a 616mm ETT.
    Spesh doesn't seem to do over 61cm at this point, with an ETT of 600. Maybe I should be looking more at that, rather than an the 63/64+cm frames that I was trying to collect. XXL, rather than 'just' XL.

    Actually, what I should do it list the ETT on all of those, since that's probably a more useful measurement than frame size, isn't it?

    Thanks for the reference on the Felts. Canyon doesn't appear to ship to the USA.
    Another one that would be out of reach of most is the Pinarello Dogma. It comes in a 62cm ETT and it's huge. My LBS got one in just after I got my Felt. Nice tall head tube too, which takes some of the aggressiveness out of the frame!
    Wow. Yeah.

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    I believe the Trek 1.5 (aluminum) is available in 64cm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatbrit View Post
    Spesh doesn't seem to do over 61cm at this point, with an ETT of 600. Maybe I should be looking more at that, rather than an the 63/64+cm frames that I was trying to collect. XXL, rather than 'just' XL.

    Actually, what I should do it list the ETT on all of those, since that's probably a more useful measurement than frame size, isn't it?
    If you're looking for 61cm+ ETT frames, then the carbon list is going to be very short. Specialized did the Roubaix with a 615mm TT back in 2012 when I was looking.

    The Koga brand I mentioned can do build pack and send to anywhere in the world which is their signature series. They do a 605mm ETT in their carbon frame and 618mm ETT in their aluminium models. I preferred to get something through my LBS which is the ONLY reason I didn't go for them. They are mega stiff around the BB and suprisingly comfortable to ride apparently. They stopped importing to Aust around 3 months before I was looking to buy.

    BeOne Raw is another carbon model that comes in a 615 ETT. I was almost going to get one of these frames from Chain Reaction Cycles until I found a report of it feeling noodly. I was after stiff as possible at the time so I decided not to run with it. If you were after a general purpose frame, they could be a good option.

    There are heaps of options around if you're after metal frames. And of course, if you were looking around the $3k mark, you could easily get a custom job built to suit your needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brawlo View Post
    If you're looking for 61cm+ ETT frames, then the carbon list is going to be very short. Specialized did the Roubaix with a 615mm TT back in 2012 when I was looking.

    The Koga brand I mentioned can do build pack and send to anywhere in the world which is their signature series. They do a 605mm ETT in their carbon frame and 618mm ETT in their aluminium models. I preferred to get something through my LBS which is the ONLY reason I didn't go for them. They are mega stiff around the BB and suprisingly comfortable to ride apparently. They stopped importing to Aust around 3 months before I was looking to buy.

    BeOne Raw is another carbon model that comes in a 615 ETT. I was almost going to get one of these frames from Chain Reaction Cycles until I found a report of it feeling noodly. I was after stiff as possible at the time so I decided not to run with it. If you were after a general purpose frame, they could be a good option.

    There are heaps of options around if you're after metal frames. And of course, if you were looking around the $3k mark, you could easily get a custom job built to suit your needs.
    Yeah. In surfing, I keep finding the same question -- I thought starting a list not just for me, but for others was useful. I'm putting it together as I am looking for choices. Nice to have the reference material.

    For me, personally, it looks like I SHOULD have an ETT of something ridiculous -- I'm tall, with short stubby legs and I'm seeing Zinn's calculator throw out 700mm (!), and wrenchscience an overall reach of over 75cm.

    I don't know about carbon, steel, aluminimum. For mountain bikes I've always been lighter is better, after an awful experience with a cheap steel Specialized that I abused about as much as it abused me. Things have changed, though.

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    I've got a 64cm Roubaix - from what I've seen the 2014's are "on the way" in the biggie sizes. Trouble is they tend to be very hard to find. I found one last year in Chicago and bought it. Have a Gunnar Roadie, Cannondale CAAD, Roubaix gets the nod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laxpatrick View Post
    I've got a 64cm Roubaix - from what I've seen the 2014's are "on the way" in the biggie sizes. Trouble is they tend to be very hard to find. I found one last year in Chicago and bought it. Have a Gunnar Roadie, Cannondale CAAD, Roubaix gets the nod.
    Thanks; yeah -- I've seen 'on the way' thing. We'll see. Test riding big bikes is going to be a bear.

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    Good luck getting a test ride. I had to do heaps of keyboard punching before I got mine. With my local having to outlay on the bike if they got it in, I had to do a lot of research before I took the plunge on my bike. In the end, the Felt F4 I got has been great and I'm really happy with how it rides. Your best bet may be to scour the internet looking for reviews of bikes and finding people who have those bikes to ask questions.

    However, if your local will get one in for you to test ride, or you can get to a shop to try one out, then you are one lucky man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brawlo View Post
    Good luck getting a test ride. I had to do heaps of keyboard punching before I got mine. With my local having to outlay on the bike if they got it in, I had to do a lot of research before I took the plunge on my bike. In the end, the Felt F4 I got has been great and I'm really happy with how it rides. Your best bet may be to scour the internet looking for reviews of bikes and finding people who have those bikes to ask questions.

    However, if your local will get one in for you to test ride, or you can get to a shop to try one out, then you are one lucky man!
    That's what I'm doing. Plus building a spreadsheet of geometry numbers for all the large frames.

    If I were a rich man, custom would be the way to go. I have found some LONG ETT carbon bikes (oddly, the Kona Major Jake among them). Problem, of course, is geometry lies, not everyone lists reach and stack, and when they do it's not clear to me where they're going to.

    Looks liek most people are 'specialized Roubaix 64' OR KHS Flite 747. Depends if you want Carbon or Steel. The Motobecane Ti bikes don't seem to be around in 64cm right now, but another choice.

    Race riders seem to be a different animal. Surprise!

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    I guess YMMV because you're chasing a different beast to what I was after, but when we're talking big frames, I think the reach and stack measurements aren't so relevant. You will notice that as the frames get big, the seat tube angles and head tube angles come much closer together. This really puts stack fairly relative to ETT. Not so much in small frames where there can be a few degrees difference between angles.

    Stack is another figure that becomes dependent on the length of the steerer tube that comes with the bike's fork. The simple fact is that very few frames, even the big ones, come with steerer tubes longer than 300mm. Add to that, with carbon tubes, the recommended max height of your stem above the top bearing is 40mm. Thus perhaps a more relvant measurement is the head tube length and also the uncut fork steerer length. That last one is rarer than hen's teeth, but is obtainable.

    Also consider that the head tube certainly doesn't lengthen to the same degree that the seat tube does going from smallest to lasrgest bike sizes. So relatively speaking, the taller you are, the more folded up you will be compared to shorter folk. I kind of fixed this a tad on my bike by going to longer cranks, and taller guys can too by doing the same, but that can mean significant increases in the cost of a bike.

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    Calfee goes in increments of 2 cm up to 66cm on frames with road geometry: http://calfeedesign.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
    Calfee goes in increments of 2 cm up to 66cm on frames with road geometry: http://calfeedesign.com/
    Their price puts them in the territory of custom frame makers. If I were spending the cash on something to just ride around and not race, I would prefer custom fitted to my personal needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brawlo View Post
    Their price puts them in the territory of custom frame makers. If I were spending the cash on something to just ride around and not race, I would prefer custom fitted to my personal needs.
    Holy cow. Yeah. That's up in full custom territory; more than a fully built Gunnar.

    The 64 is probably too long even for me; I'm told I should be shooting for a 620mm VTT, given my height/torso/short stubby legs.

    If I coud find a Roubaix 64cm it'd be good in Carbon. Value-wise, and at a clyde-level 195lbs or so, the Flite 747 is really good.

    I'd just like to compile a list of all of this for someone else who might be shopping. I've got most of it into a spreadsheet now, so maybe that's the right idea.
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    Cannot PM. Doom! I'm in New Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brawlo View Post
    Good luck getting a test ride. I had to do heaps of keyboard punching before I got mine. With my local having to outlay on the bike if they got it in, I had to do a lot of research before I took the plunge on my bike. In the end, the Felt F4 I got has been great and I'm really happy with how it rides. Your best bet may be to scour the internet looking for reviews of bikes and finding people who have those bikes to ask questions.

    However, if your local will get one in for you to test ride, or you can get to a shop to try one out, then you are one lucky man!
    Yeah. Wouldn't that be nice. I'm on the keyboard trail now. And trying to get to 50 posts so I can PM.

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    I know that some Specialized are available in 64, such as

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...sport#geometry

    probably a dealer could get that info much faster than browsing their site

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    I just went poking around on that popular auction site and made a pretty good deal on a Specialized Allez frame in XXL size. I just used xl and XXL for my search. I pieced the bike together and I enjoy it very much but I dont get to ride it as often as I might like to. I put up with riding bikes too small before I found out they actually come in sizes!! What a concept!

    My S.O. is 6'1". She went to the bike store looking for something and the owner looked at her and and remarked "its going to be a special order to get something to fit you!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy25 View Post
    I just went poking around on that popular auction site and made a pretty good deal on a Specialized Allez frame in XXL size. I just used xl and XXL for my search. I pieced the bike together and I enjoy it very much but I dont get to ride it as often as I might like to. I put up with riding bikes too small before I found out they actually come in sizes!! What a concept!

    My S.O. is 6'1". She went to the bike store looking for something and the owner looked at her and and remarked "its going to be a special order to get something to fit you!"

    -SP
    Yeah -- at least one LBS has taken one look at me coming in the door and said 'custom'.

    It's worse for the ladies; my little sister is 6'4, so I get to see some of the pain up close and personal. Finding stuff to fit is a nightmare -- I don't actually know where her bicycle is from, though.

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    fuji touring, good steel bike, comes in a nice comfy 64cm about 850-1000 and the 2014s are sexy

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougiefresh208 View Post
    fuji touring, good steel bike, comes in a nice comfy 64cm about 850-1000 and the 2014s are sexy
    Wow. Compared to everything else, that's a really short ETT and head-tube for a 64. REALLY short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatbrit View Post
    Wow. Compared to everything else, that's a really short ETT and head-tube for a 64. REALLY short.
    That's strange, I am like 6'5" and this bike has room for a taller rider. I think it should make the list. Very affordable and durable stock parts

    Edit: you do seem to be correct about the ett and headtube compared to the beloved long haul trucker, my mind has been blown. I must be a short tall person
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougiefresh208 View Post
    That's strange, I am like 6'5" and this bike has room for a taller rider. I think it should make the list. Very affordable and durable stock parts

    Edit: you do seem to be correct about the ett and headtube compared to the beloved long haul trucker, my mind has been blown. I must be a short tall person
    Funny. Geometry is bizarre, right? Fit is everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatbrit View Post
    Funny. Geometry is bizarre, right? Fit is everything.
    Yeah, funny... Does it not get on the list? I was happy to see this thread as this would have been helpful for myself when shopping for my first touring bike. And the Fuji is still reccomended by myself for a tall rider with a short stack of cash. Or is there some kind of bike fit calculation that every manufacturer follows that it doesn't fit into ( sarcasm, funny right? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougiefresh208 View Post
    Yeah, funny... Does it not get on the list? I was happy to see this thread as this would have been helpful for myself when shopping for my first touring bike. And the Fuji is still reccomended by myself for a tall rider with a short stack of cash. Or is there some kind of bike fit calculation that every manufacturer follows that it doesn't fit into ( sarcasm, funny right? )

    LOL.

    Added it to the list. I actually moved this to a spreadsheet, so I could look at more and different stuff than on the forum. Wasn't sure if this sort of list was useful or not.

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