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Old 01-14-14, 11:05 AM   #1
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Ketosis

"Ketosis minimizes hunger.

If you’re in an optimal state of ketosis, you’re consistently being supplied with ketone calories. With this continuous supply of ketone calories from stored fat, your body responds with a feeling of satiety. In simpler words, you’re not hungry."
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You're subject to gout, kidney stones, and kidney failure.... but at least you're not hungry!
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I've been on a strict ketogenic diet for two years.

When are all these scary horrible things going to start happening?
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Old 01-15-14, 10:41 AM   #4
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I've heard it gives you bad breath. Not going to nice restaurants because of inability to get dates probably helps weight loss too.
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Old 01-15-14, 11:08 AM   #5
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I've been on a strict ketogenic diet for two years.

When are all these scary horrible things going to start happening?
You should ask your doctor. If you've been in ketosis for any significant portion of that two years, my guess is that kidney damage has probably already started. When was the last time you had a kidney function test?
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You should ask your doctor. If you've been in ketosis for any significant portion of that two years, my guess is that kidney damage has probably already started. When was the last time you had a kidney function test?
about 5 minutes ago when I took a monster crystal clear leak


you're trolling, right?
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about 5 minutes ago when I took a monster crystal clear leak
Sorry: that's not a valid kidney function test. If you didn't go to a doctor's office or a lab and, at the very least, have blood drawn, you have no idea how well your kidneys are functioning.

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you're trolling, right?

Sorry, but no: I really do think your diet is unsafe and you're likely affecting your long-term health. Keep it up for a few more years and you can call me during your dialysis treatment and tell me I was right...
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I was hoping to open a dialog with anyone who was curious about what I understand ketosis to be really about and the positive effects it has had on my life.


Your assumptions are wrong to begin with, which invalidates your conclusions.

Can you go away now?

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Ketosis is one of the basics of the Adkins diet.
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I was hoping to open a dialog with anyone who was curious about what I understand ketosis to be really about and the positive effects it has had on my life.


Your assumptions are wrong to begin with, which invalidates your conclusions.

Can you go away now?

Thanks!
You don't portray yourself as the sort of person most people would want to have a dialogue with. You are certainly free to disagree withe people, but civility is expected in this forum.
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Heres a great blog from a medical doctor who has made an exhaustive study of this:http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-...o-existCharlie
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The same "feeling of satiety" and lack of "hunger" can be achieved by establishing and maintaining a diet that provides for eating frequent, small, balanced meals and snacks that respect one's calorific requirements without exposing one to the health risks of ketosis diets.
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kinda weird thread, OP states something in the first post that probably came off Wikipedia or something. Decent content, but zero context.

One can achieve the "not hungry feel" with a glass of water or 5cal stick of gum as well.

Reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet would scare the $hit outta me. Eat fat, no carbs, lil protiens, opposite of Atkins which also scares me too. I need carbs to ride my bike the way I do + I'm filipino and MUST have white rice, I don't need fat, but DO need protein for muscle recovery cuz I tend to beat them up every weekend.

Different strokes for different folks......
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Heres a great blog from a medical doctor who has made an exhaustive study of this:http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-...s-can-co-exist
So he got his M.D. then dropped out of his residency program and went to work for McKinsey & Co. as a consultant. Is he licensed to practice medicine? Has he had any of his radical diet ideas published in a peer-reviewed journal? Can he point to any medical research that suggests his diets are healthy over the long-term?
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You don't portray yourself as the sort of person most people would want to have a dialogue with. You are certainly free to disagree withe people, but civility is expected in this forum.
Tell that to sstorkel
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kinda weird thread, OP states something in the first post that probably came off Wikipedia or something. Decent content, but zero context.

One can achieve the "not hungry feel" with a glass of water or 5cal stick of gum as well.

Reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet would scare the $hit outta me. Eat fat, no carbs, lil protiens, opposite of Atkins which also scares me too. I need carbs to ride my bike the way I do + I'm filipino and MUST have white rice, I don't need fat, but DO need protein for muscle recovery cuz I tend to beat them up every weekend.

Different strokes for different folks......
Just to clarify.....Atkins is a high fat diet that was represented by the detractors as a high protein diet...which led to the idea that it could have a detrimental effect on kidney function...this is the incorrect info that fuels some of the anti ketogenic responses such as sstork's, and the same misinformation has filtered into most media as well.

A ketogenic diet a very high saturated fat, moderate protein, very low carb (<30g) diet. The protein requirements are well within normal range and can be adjusted up or down some.......but not the carbs, if you're strict.

Somebody said the three no-no's are politics, religion, and nutrition and it it seems true the more I research the diet threads on this forum.

I'm excited that I'm coming up on my second anniversary of this way of eating and glad of the dramatic changes it has made in my health and well being. I thought this was a good place to share my weight loss success

I'm not trying to change anybody's mind

If anyone interested in losing weight wants to consider very low carb, I'd be happy to talk about it.

I tried a different kind of opener on this thread..hey, it was an experiment..it didn't work so good.

All of the above is written by me... no pasted text
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I've been on a strict ketogenic diet for two years.

When are all these scary horrible things going to start happening?
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about 5 minutes ago when I took a monster crystal clear leak


you're trolling, right?
I'm not knocking ketogenic diets. They have their place and have been used therapeutically for some medical conditions for years. But some of your comments lead me to believe that you are not as knowledgeable as you claim to be.

First, two years without obvious outward signs doesn't mean much as a diagnostic indicator. Even smoking and alcoholism don't usually cause catastrophic health problems in two years. People often eat crap diets, remain obese, smoke, drink in excess and sit on their couches for decades before they develop clinical symptoms. The early signs of cardiac disease, diabetes, kidney failure, and lung disease can often be found in healthy looking individuals quite a few years before they actually become "sick".

As far as your assessment of kidney function, there are patients on dialysis who can still take a large, clear wiz, which has absolutely nothing to do with the health of your kidneys. The early stages of kidney disease have no outward symptoms and many patients walk around in early to middle stages of renal failure for years before being diagnosed.

If a ketogenic diet is working for you, great, you might never have a problem, but don't let the fact that you lost weight and feel good right now lull you into complacency about monitoring your health. The fact that you didn't develop debilitating symptoms or keel over dead in short order doesn't mean that you are in the clear for life. Get a kidney function test (at least creatinine and BUN) every two years, more often if there is any abnormality. A creatinine clearance test is an even more valuable test for renal function, though physicians usually order the quicker, less expensive screening tests first.

I also find it rude that you open a thread in a public forum and immediately dismiss any views that conflict with your own as "invalid" and ask anyone who disagrees with you to go away. This is a forum, a place for open discussion, debate, even civil argument. If you don't want other peoples input and opinions, don't post. Start your own blog where you can control all the content to conform to your own ideas.

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A ketogenic diet a very high saturated fat, moderate protein, very low carb (<30g) diet. The protein requirements are well within normal range and can be adjusted up or down some.......but not the carbs, if you're strict.
Can you give examples of what you eat throughout the week?
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I'm not knocking ketogenic diets. They have their place and have been used therapeutically in for some medical conditions for years. But some of your comments lead me to believe that you are not as knowledgeable as you claim to be.

First, two years without obvious outward signs doesn't mean much as a diagnostic indicator. Even smoking and alcoholism don't usually cause catastrophic health problems in two years. People often eat crap diets, remain obese, smoke, drink in excess and sit on their couches for decades before they develop clinical symptoms. The early signs of cardiac disease, diabetes, kidney failure, and lung disease can often be found in healthy looking individuals quite a few years before they actually become "sick".

As far as your assessment of kidney function, there are patients on dialysis who can still take a large, clear wiz, which has absolutely nothing to do with the health of your kidneys. The early stages of kidney disease have no outward symptoms and many patients walk around in early to middle stages of renal failure for years before being diagnosed.

If a ketogenic diet is working for you, great, you might never have a problem, but don't let the fact that you lost weight and feel good right now lull you into complacency about monitoring your health. The fact that you didn't develop debilitating symptoms or keel over dead in short order doesn't mean that you are in the clear for life. Get a kidney function test (at least creatinine and BUN) every two years, more often if there is any abnormality. A creatinine clearance test is an even more valuable test for renal function, though physicians usually order the quicker, less expensive screening tests first.

I also find it rude that you open a thread in a public forum and immediately dismiss any views that conflict with your own as "invalid" and ask anyone who disagrees with you to go away. This is a forum, a place for open discussion, debate, even civil argument. If you don't want other peoples input and opinions, don't post. Start your own blog where you can control all the content to conform to your own ideas.
We really do need the "like" or "reputation" buttons on this forum to keep us from needing to rewrite or quote ^^^this^^^ stuff over and over again.
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Can you give examples of what you eat throughout the week?
Sure.

Fatty fresh meat, chicken thighs and legs with skin, some cured meat, fatty fish, dairy, eggs, nuts and non starchy and leafy veggies

Coconut oil and butter

No grain of any kind. No sugar of any kind, or sugar substitutes.

No veggies oils

No starchy root veggies

No fast food, no junk food, no convenience food

No alcohol

I'm retired so it's easy for me to just grab something when I'm hungry and follow my golden rule of eating to live, not living to eat.

No set meal schedules, no menu planning

I can go touring with just a bag of nuts, some cheese and sausage and be good for days.

Pretty much it.......
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You can get yourself in a lather all you want... why would I waste my time listening to someone who is incapable of understanding the fundamental difference between a high fat, and high protein diet?
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This guy ate only Mcdonalds food for 3 months, and managed to loose weight AND lower his cholesterol. Guess there isn't anything inherently wrong with that either?

McDonalds Diet?
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You can get yourself in a lather all you want... why would I waste my time listening to someone who is incapable of understanding the fundamental difference between a high fat, and high protein diet?
So basicly, you're doing what you are accusing everyone else of doing: Sticking your fingers in your ears going "nanananananananana"?

Ketogenic diets causing kidney problems have nothing to do with fats at all, but with the creation of acids that occur with the diet. Renal acidosis is not a good thing.
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