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    Strava / veloviewer amusement

    For those of you who use strava, you should also check out veloviewer - it pulls data from strava and presents it in different (and interesting) ways. That little sig image below is from veloviewer.

    Anyway, one of the things they do is tell you if your time has improved on any segments (which it sometimes does without even riding it) and whether it's gotten worse. I did two rides today, one at 4 am and one just now at 4 pm and in the intervening 12 hours, I apparently did worse on SEVENTY ONE segments. (see below for the gory, uninteresting details). 12 hours!

    Anyway, one of the things I enjoy about veloviewer is the summary tab - it has a graph of your mileage progress for the year, and for me at least it shows the last two years as well. It's pretty slick.

    Anyway, check it out - it does a lot of interesting stuff with your ride data and it's fun to poke around in there. Don't be shocked by the terrible numbers below, there are segments around here that have well over 5,000 riders. It doesn't make me feel better about being #2000 but maybe if I keep repeating it to myself.

    From 66th to 67th on "Orange to Imperial "
    From 81st to 82nd on "SART- Downey to Seal Beach & Back"
    From 115th to 118th on "Whittier to Rivers End Cafe"
    From 119th to 120th on "Rose Drive from Imperial"
    From 129th to 130th on "Hewes Bike Trail"
    From 176th to 177th on "Birch Street Sprint"
    From 175th to 180th on "Whittier Blvd to Slauson on SGRT"
    From 186th to 193rd on "Whittier to Seal Beach Marina "
    From 228th to 236th on "LA2SD 605 to Seal Beach TT"
    From 239th to 240th on "Madison from Andalusia to La Hacienda"
    From 260th to 262nd on "Santa Ana River Trail Climb"
    From 281st to 285th on "SGRT Bridge to Rivers End Cafe"
    From 194th to 329th on "Goodwin Road Climb"
    From 332nd to 333rd on "YRP To HB and Back to YRP"
    From 337th to 341st on "Tunrbull East Bump Up"
    From 365th to 371st on "SGRT Sprint"
    From 334th to 431st on "7th Street Climb"
    From 431st to 432nd on "SGRBT Sprint"
    From 439th to 440th on "River Trail Imperial to Weir"
    From 485th to 496th on "Shut Up Legs TT"
    From 539th to 546th on "Honda to PCH"
    From 545th to 548th on "Irz Carson Group Going Home"
    From 582nd to 586th on "1st to bench"
    From 582nd to 589th on "South Fire Station to PCH"
    From 585th to 592nd on "SART Chapman to Hamilton"
    From 598th to 605th on "SA River Trail west"
    From 604th to 610th on "Edinger / PCH TT"
    From 626th to 632nd on "South Street to Del Amo"
    From 655th to 658th on "Sk8 drop"
    From 662nd to 670th on "No More Underpasses Until The Bridge"
    From 677th to 678th on "Dinah Shore (Cathedral Canyon to Crosley)"
    From 680th to 682nd on "PCH to Honda Center via SART"
    From 682nd to 683rd on "PCH north entrance to Katella"
    From 681st to 689th on "Slater to woden bridge"
    From 696th to 706th on "Slauson to Santa Fe Spring Park"
    From 709th to 720th on "Carson to PCH"
    From 718th to 722nd on "Oh You Fancy TT"
    From 743rd to 746th on "2nd bridge to 3rd bridge"
    From 755th to 756th on "Bridge to Waterfall"
    From 775th to 776th on "2PM Head Wind Warm up "
    From 785th to 786th on "East River Trail/La Palma"
    From 786th to 787th on "Car Wash to Gypsum"
    From 813th to 820th on "uphill sprint"
    From 847th to 858th on "Willow - Bridge"
    From 862nd to 870th on "2nd to 1st bridge"
    From 896th to 897th on "Bridge to Willow"
    From 894th to 903rd on "frst bridge to bus stop "
    From 942nd to 956th on "Riverbed Sprint"
    From 947th to 957th on "SART to La Palma Finishing Climb"
    From 962nd to 965th on "The "Mines" Sprint !"
    From 982nd to 986th on "Tour De Wilderness Sprint"
    From 996th to 1001st on "10 mile TT"
    From 983rd to 1003rd on "SART: Gypsum to Car Wash"
    From 1011th to 1015th on "Carson to Del Amo"
    From 1053rd to 1059th on "Garden Grove Blvd to Glassell "
    From 1048th to 1060th on "Glendora Ridge Rd Climb"
    From 1074th to 1086th on "SGRT Bridge to PCH Sprint"
    From 1130th to 1133rd on "Wardlow to Carson"
    From 1168th to 1179th on "The CONO Sprint "
    From 1244th to 1255th on "BANG, ZOOM! Straight to the Moon!"
    From 1258th to 1259th on "SART Mile 5 to Next Bridge"
    From 1293rd to 1295th on "1st Bridge to 2nd Bridge (SART)"
    From 1331st to 1344th on "I see dead people"
    From 1359th to 1365th on "The Corridor (Under Adams Ave)"
    From 1378th to 1388th on "Taft to Lincoln Straightaway"
    From 1394th to 1398th on "5 mile TT SART Fairview Footbridge to after Harbor"
    From 1477th to 1478th on "SA River Slater to Edinger NB"
    From 1591st to 1603rd on "Seapoint Sprint"
    From 1585th to 1603rd on "Seal Beach Blvd Hill 1"
    From 1589th to 1607th on "TAFT - Katella Ave"
    From 1798th to 1804th on "5th - bridge"

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    Ha, that's fun!
    <start playing Glory Days>
    It pulled up my best ever segment 22 miles @20 MPH with 767' of climbing.
    </end Glory Days>
    Reminds me how bad I suck currently

    But Velo Viewer is fun, thanks for sharing!

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    I really like Veloviewer -- I picked it up from someone's .sig here, I think. The summary info is nice, but I /really/ like the 3D segment viewer. The Veloviewer score is nice, since it's a 'semi-independent' way of comparing people who ride utterly different areas, and is a good measure of progress for me!

    Also, since I've apparently lost the ability to compare myself and the segment leader or another rider in Strava (or at least, can't find it which counts as the same), the Veloviewer <-> race shape integration is nice for me having a clue about where I am sucking so bad.

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    my cycling carrier in one snip...somehow managed a bunch of red squares at the end of 2013


    Veloviewer by jsig1, on Flickr

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    Oooh, I'll play. (Jsigone -- 95.52 score. Bloody hell, mate!)

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    68.80... guess I better HTFU.

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    Pretty cool, here's mine. I'm not a clyde BTW, I was 195lbs. at my heaviest now down to 165-170lbs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    Pretty cool, here's mine. I'm not a clyde BTW, I was 195lbs. at my heaviest now down to 165-170lbs.
    That's a killer ride schedule you've been able to maintain!! I'm trying to get mine back up to par that I was one last fall/winter. Getting sick in Jan allowed me to become lazy again

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatbrit View Post
    Oooh, I'll play. (Jsigone -- 95.52 score. Bloody hell, mate!)
    You're gonna blow up that chart scale after this month's numbers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    That's a killer ride schedule you've been able to maintain!! I'm trying to get mine back up to par that I was one last fall/winter
    I've been riding 4 days a week now all of 2013 and 2014. Thinking about upping it to 5 days a week now with daylight savings time starting. I was logging walks for a while in the app but Strava doesn't do well at separating the two types of activities.

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    I HATE VELOVIEWER!!! And TH for making me look at it.

    I came in 97th out of 137 who uploaded to Strava after the Marathon ride. And I have an amazing 33.71 score overall.

    I guess I have to get out and ride more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    That's a killer ride schedule you've been able to maintain!! I'm trying to get mine back up to par that I was one last fall/winter. Getting sick in Jan allowed me to become lazy again
    No kidding. That's one hell of a schedule. Awesome.

    (I'm only Clyde by height, these days, too!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatbrit View Post

    (I'm only Clyde by height, these days, too!)
    I'm tipping both again...189 on newyrs eve, currently 198...damn that bronchial infection, laziness &
    Paying the price for it too on the club ride saturday

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahultin View Post
    Pretty nifty little tool
    another awesome scheduled rider!!!

    I'm really jealous!!! and you have almost double my miles already too

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    My natural status is very chaotic and unpredictable (ask my wife) but I know that if i am to continue riding it has to be striclty scheduled as it would be way too easy to "fall off the wagon"
    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    another awesome scheduled rider!!!

    I'm really jealous!!! and you have almost double my miles already too

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahultin View Post
    My natural status is very chaotic and unpredictable (ask my wife) but I know that if i am to continue riding it has to be striclty scheduled as it would be way too easy to "fall off the wagon"
    you're right, its very easy to fall off and MUCH harder to get back on and get the family knowing the schedule needs to get back on track. I still feel like I'm battling it now and finding my body wanting to sleep in saturdays when i should be on the bike as the sun comes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoJoe View Post
    And I have an amazing 33.71 score overall.
    Ha, 27.87 here, top that!

    It's the lower the better right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by psalm View Post
    Ha, 27.87 here, top that!

    It's the lower the better right?
    Mine is 83 I think... but my wife has a score in the 90s Go figure! She's logged two rides to strava - ever. I think if you are female your segment scores can be a lot higher because there aren't as many women out there riding & stravaing.

    Case in point - some woman in my area has a time about 10 seconds better than my wife, who is now determined to beat her on that segment. I tried explaining that the particular woman in question rides about 800 miles a month and was recently in the California state road race championships... it fell on deaf ears. LOL.

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    What a great site! But... all it did was validate my sucktitude, so I don't think I'm going to post my results here.

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    Hey, another cool new feature: they put time, distance and elevation "awards" between the score and the distance portion.

    veloviewer.jpg

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    Well, I noticed that and was feeling all good about myself until you posted yours and I realized the award is actually a gold star. I thought I was doing well with all my white stars. THANKS!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoJoe View Post
    I thought I was doing well with all my white stars.
    LMAO - I think the gold star just means you did it once... 3 gold stars = 3 times. I really don't think I'm going to hit 7500 feet again any time soon!

    Just out of curiosity, do they have a 20 minute award?

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    So what does the VV score say? Is it a percentage expression, like a 33.58 means your ranking is better than 33.58% of the riders on that segment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    So what does the VV score say? Is it a percentage expression, like a 33.58 means your ranking is better than 33.58% of the riders on that segment?
    Basically. They only include your best 100 places (percentage wise). Tragically, for clydes, they do not include downhill segments.

    VeloViewer Score


    Your VeloViewer score is a way to compare yourself against your peers. It is the average segment position score from your top 25% (max 100) of non-downhill segment.
    More detail:

    • Position score - Each of your completed segments comes with a score, between 0 and 100, that represents your relative position based on the number of other athletes that have also ridden the segment. The higher the score the better!
    • Why not use placing? - Being 1st of 2 athletes isn't the same value as being 1st of 1,000. Equally being last of 2 athletes isn't anywhere near as bad as last of 1,000. The position score reflects how you stack up against others much better than your actual placing.
    • 25% - Only your top 25% of scores (to a maximum of 100) are taken into consideration as I'm guessing you haven't visited the pain cave for the majority of your segments so we only want to include those where you have.
    • But we've got local pro's taking the top spots - Seeing as the score isn't based on actual positions then this should well balance out as if the area is good enough for lots of pro's to ride there, chances are there are a lot more non-pro riders too so giving the potential for higher relative scores.
    • But I'm an awesome downhiller! - I feel your pain but to comply with STRAVA API usage rules, flat or uphill only.

    Good ways to improve your score could be:

    • Go for segments you've not ridden before to get your worse scores out of your top 25%.
    • Check out your segments where you score below you VeloViewer score but still within the top 25% and try and improve your placing.
    • Ride segments that have a higher number of athletes as the potential for a higher score is better, but then so is the potential for a lower score.
    • Get fitter!


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