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Old 04-09-14, 01:23 PM   #1
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For all the people out there riding to lose weight and attain fitness...

Has anyone tried the whole green smoothie thing? Been eating alot of spinach and kale in salad as a part of my weight loss and dietary plan and am curious... Seems like it would allow me to add green veggies to breakfast too... maybe with a couple hard boiled eggs.

is the sugar from the fruit a hinderance to weight loss if you use it in moderation?

do they make you feel full and keep you that way?

with soreness being a major factor as i adjust to riding daily trying to get all the protein i can without using supplements to help with recovery.

(risking t.m.i.) how do they affect you "evacuating" i've read some stuff online that says the can cause"explosive diarrhea"... it's embarrassing enough being 300 lbs. riding around on a bike... cant imagine how it would feel to crap myself on the bike.
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I don't do the smoothies as they aren't my thing, but as a diabetic the Metformin and Victoza can cause that feeling. I also eat a bunch of raw veggies (mini bell peppers, brocolli, carrots), some raw fruit and a diabetic friendly diet, and I have never had an issue of bowel control (but I have had the cramping and feeling of "got to go now!!"). In the instance of that "feeling" I just find the nearest depository and take care of business.


Also drinking a bunch of water daily helps keep things moving so you don't experience the cramping. I have more issues in that departement when I don't drink at least three liters of water a day (but that is on top of my pot of black coffee per day).
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I am interested in responses too... I recently watched "Fat Sick & Nearly Dead" and even though I don't think I will ever go to juice only, think it would be good to do a good nutritious juice into my diet regularly.

I do have issues with the extreme end that avoids all eating, and doing only juice, because that is basically fruits and vegetables minus most of the fiber, and fiber is one of the reasons to do fruits and veggies. Plus, in the show, they mentioned the amount of fruit & veggies needed was costing about $30 per day for an all juice diet because of the amount of food needed to generate the amount of juice needed. I honestly don't have $900 a month in my food budget right now.

Having thought it through, I think sticking to just enough fruit to get the flavor to where it is bearable would be ideal, with the bulk of the mix being vegetables. But, the body needs good carbs for energy, so as long as the juice is mostly vegetable based it should be good. I also assume that if I start juicing, I will get used to less fruit than I would find palatable at the beginning and move the mix more toward vegetable over time.
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for me an all juice diet is not an option as I try to eat about 140 carbs to 200 carbs per day and too much fruit juice will spike my glucose levels.
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I am interested in responses too... I recently watched "Fat Sick & Nearly Dead" and even though I don't think I will ever go to juice only, think it would be good to do a good nutritious juice into my diet regularly.

I do have issues with the extreme end that avoids all eating, and doing only juice, because that is basically fruits and vegetables minus most of the fiber, and fiber is one of the reasons to do fruits and veggies. Plus, in the show, they mentioned the amount of fruit & veggies needed was costing about $30 per day for an all juice diet because of the amount of food needed to generate the amount of juice needed. I honestly don't have $900 a month in my food budget right now.

Having thought it through, I think sticking to just enough fruit to get the flavor to where it is bearable would be ideal, with the bulk of the mix being vegetables. But, the body needs good carbs for energy, so as long as the juice is mostly vegetable based it should be good. I also assume that if I start juicing, I will get used to less fruit than I would find palatable at the beginning and move the mix more toward vegetable over time.


not talking about juicing... a green smoothie would be putting a couple cups of spinach and kale in a blender with enough water or almond milk to blend them smooth and then adding a banana, apple, peanut butter etc to sweeten it up... alot of people use frozen fruit for texture... still get all the fiber and benefits. heard you can also add a couple hard boiled eggs tons of recipes out there. My buddy Rob says he adds a teaspoon full of metamucil to his in the morning and it helps him stay fuller longer

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never had alot of interest in juicing.... trying to keep the food as close to natural as possible
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I guess I should read more carefully.

I like the idea of retaining the fiber... that will help keep me full a bit better.

Now, where did I put that darned blender?
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I watched that movie too... good stuff. I periodically juice for 5 days or so and yes, you will lose weight (how can you NOT when you're only eating 1200 calories worth of juice a day?). As for BMs, after a day or two there's just not a lot going on if you catch my drift. I dont' think you feel full, necessarily, but not hungry either if that makes sense.

Interestingly, I didn't notice a drop off in energy or anything, I was able to maintain my normal ride schedule (although I didn't do any really long rides either). Most of the juice crowd will tell you to limit your fruits to 20% or so of your intake because of the sugar content but it's hard (flavor wise)... Kale isn't that good on its own, and when you juice it, it's like concentrated no-good. And beets... ugh. Anyway, my interest in eating dwindles pretty rapidly when juicing, which also contributes to ongoing weight loss. I think if you just do it for a few days, the lack of salt in your juice will lead to a loss of water weight, so a real short term juice diet isn't terribly effective. Plus, you have to do it something like 5 times a day, so it feels like you're constantly washing veggies & juicing and cleaning that damn machine.

Eating fruit is fine by the way. All sugars are not alike.
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My wife and I do this (or a similar version). We make them using the magic bullet. An orange, a banana, 1 cup of pomegranate juice, and as much kale as can be fit into the pitcher. Blend, divide into two cups, then add our preferred frozen fruit individually and blend. I add mixed berries from Costco, my wife likes blueberries and mango. My wife also adds flax seeds (omega3) and chia seeds (keeps her regular). I just skip the seeds, generally. The one I had this morning was 380 calories, and definitely filled me up. My wife will sometimes only have half of hers, and be too full to finish it, so she'll stick it in the fridge and have it for lunch.

For breakfast we usually alternate between this and a veggie omelette, depending on our mood and who has the inclination to make breakfast first. I'm down 20 pounds in the last 4 months, and at my lowest weight since college, so I don't think it's a hinderance to weight loss.

My wife is always trying something new, I'm just along for the ride. I count calories and avoid wheat and processed food, the rest is what ever she wants. Six months ago I was vegetarian, the last 2 month's we've been paleo. Good times

As for staying full after breakfast; absolutely. But, I feel like my prolonged satiety after a meal is more about eliminating wheat than the meal itself. Since I cut out wheat I have virtually no cravings.

I just saw the last line of the OP, no explosive diarrhea for me or my wife. My plumbing is ridiculously regular, and my wife's oddly slow moving, hence her adding the chia seeds. And as long as we're well into TMI territory, I find if I have smoothie for breakfast, my first BM the day after is not especially solid, but certainly not diarrhea. I'll spare you further description.

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fruit is great even for a diabetic like me. I just have to count carbs (one bananna is 30 carbs, a cup and a half of berries is 15 carbs, a cup of most other fruit is 15 carbs). For a diabetic it isn't about sugar intake as much as it is about carbohydrate intake. That would make it a little harder for me to do the veggie/fruit/egg smoothie. I can see the smoothie being a good thing in addition to a meal (smoothie before a ride of a few miles, meal after the ride) if one watches the carb intake.
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not talking about juicing... a green smoothie would be putting a couple cups of spinach and kale in a blender with enough water or almond milk to blend them smooth and then adding a banana, apple, peanut butter etc to sweeten it up... alot of people use frozen fruit for texture... still get all the fiber and benefits. heard you can also add a couple hard boiled eggs tons of recipes out there. My buddy Rob says he adds a teaspoon full of metamucil to his in the morning and it helps him stay fuller longer

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never had alot of interest in juicing.... trying to keep the food as close to natural as possible
The main problem I see with that plan is by the time you add milk, a banana, peanut butter, and a couple of hard boiled eggs, you are talking about an 600-800 calorie smoothie. If you end up eating that much just for breakfast, what are you going to do for the rest of the day? You can eat very "healthy" and "natural" foods, but you will only lose weight if your calories consumed doesn't exceed your calories burned. I have had very good luck so far (27.5 pounds lost in about 48 days) by eating around 300-400 calorie breakfasts that are heavy on protein (milk, turkey sausage, low carb english muffins, cheese, eggs, etc.). The protein helps keep you from feeling hungry too early and gives you plenty of energy through the day. I eat lighter lunches and dinners (300-350 calories each) and several small snacks (60-100 cals each) through the day, and don't end up feeling hungry at all, even though I am only eating 1500 calories/day.
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I am riding in the mornings and am usually dragging when i wake up... I know that consumption of calories isn't as big of a deal as far as energy is concerned to a fat guy as it is to someone with 12% bodyfat but im mostly wondering if it would help to have one of these (minimalistic calories-wise) mostly green with just enough fruit to make it palatable before i ride. Would allow me to have breakfast before I ride and maybe give me a little more energy in the morning. Thoughts?

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cvskates - any advice on sourcing the seeds cheaply? doc recommended the flax seeds to me but local grocer doesnt have them.
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cvskates - any advice on sourcing the seeds cheaply? doc recommended the flax seeds to me but local grocer doesnt have them.
My wife gets them at Costco, but I think walmart carries them as well. Something I tried the other day, was breading fish in flax seed instead of bread crumbs - works pretty good!
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My nutritionist suggests a daily nutrition breakfast smoothie for me with about 400 calories. I love it and find that it stays with me until my mid-morning snack. I'm on a program of 3 meals/2 snacks per day with the guidance of a nutritionist. My smoothie is 1 c unsweetened almond milk, 1 large handful of spinach or kale, 6 oz. nonfat greek yogurt, 1 c blueberries, 1 T coconut oil, 1/2 T honey, 1 T ground flaxseed or chia seeds. I do some other green smoothies using apple, ginger, kale, etc. Smoothies have served me well for fat loss and improved nutrition.

For fat loss, my nutritionist does suggest that I limit my fruit to two servings per day. I get the rest of carbs from veggies. Very few grains.

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Spinache, Kale, Arugula, and red Beets contain inorganic nitrate that the body converts into nitric oxide.

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No, really. I have done the green smoothie route, and am getting ready to start doing it again. I didn't live off them completely, but usually had a couple a day, with a small meal or two in between. I tried not to be too rigid. Sometimes I used some greens with fruit, sometimes I used a good green powder. whatever I had around. And yes, the gas is a problem at first, then it kind of tapers off after awhile, fortunately. Don't think you have to worry about explosive diarrhea. I went pretty much vegetarian when I had my best weight loss, pretty strict for awhile, no breads, no sugars, minimal fats. I did do alot of stir fry and ate as many vegetables as I wanted. Humus became my friend, that's great on vegetables or pita bread. I just had to put myself in a different mind-set, and tried to stay away from the foods I used to crave, and plunged into totally different foods. If you like foreign foods, you can do really well by trying out different ethnic vegetarian foods by looking at recipes on youtube. The normal fattining american foods became really boring to me when I started making Hindi or Japanese dishes. Ever tried Borscht? Just leave out the potatoes and you have a great diet soup. Stuff like that.
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Imo ...I think the green smoothies should be part of a binge week or few times a week to cut some calories out. Depending on your cycling goals, a better balanced diet would be much better.

I for one need my carbs for fuel on my long rides and proteins for muscle growth and repairs. Seems that almost everything else falls into the fat category, so that should be the most supervised. Even though I do a pretty piss poor job at it
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fruit is great even for a diabetic like me. I just have to count carbs (one bananna is 30 carbs, a cup and a half of berries is 15 carbs, a cup of most other fruit is 15 carbs). For a diabetic it isn't about sugar intake as much as it is about carbohydrate intake. That would make it a little harder for me to do the veggie/fruit/egg smoothie. I can see the smoothie being a good thing in addition to a meal (smoothie before a ride of a few miles, meal after the ride) if one watches the carb intake.
carb count?
is that grams of carb?
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carb count?
is that grams of carb?
yes as in when you look on a food label don't even worry about the "sugars" just look at the carbs (grams of carbs) for example a can of chili has two servings at 30 carbs per serving so I can easily eat one can myself at a meal and if you add sour cream to it you are adding a few more carbs. A can of pickled beets is about 45 carbs.

I just had a can of beets with two baked chicken thighs for lunch for 45 carbs with water to drink. my mid morning snack was baby carrots and mini bell peppers.
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Don't do the smoothie thing. Never have really cared for them. I start everyday the same way. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich on whole wheat bread. Heavy on the peanut butter and regular jelly. I eat the same thing whether heading off to work or a ride. Lots of protein, a little sugar to give me a jump, and whole wheat bread so sustain for a while. Works for me.
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yes as in when you look on a food label don't even worry about the "sugars" just look at the carbs (grams of carbs) for example a can of chili has two servings at 30 carbs per serving so I can easily eat one can myself at a meal and if you add sour cream to it you are adding a few more carbs. A can of pickled beets is about 45 carbs.

I just had a can of beets with two baked chicken thighs for lunch for 45 carbs with water to drink. my mid morning snack was baby carrots and mini bell peppers.
Thanks, never heard it referred to that way, only 30 grams...

I look at both, but know that 1 the bottom line it the carbs in grams, but use the "sugars" as a rough guide to how high a GI or Insulin Response it might be. "Might" as they are allowed to count on the label a number of things that are simple sugars once they hit your stomach as carbs.
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