Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-15-14, 01:38 AM   #1
katsrevenge
covered in cat fur
Thread Starter
 
katsrevenge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Willkes-Barre, PA
Bikes: Papillionaire Sommer, '85 Schwinn World Tourist, 2014 Windsor Kensington 8, SixThreeZero SS Cruiser
Posts: 614
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Fit and Knee/Muscle Pain

I've been riding a 85 Schwinn World Tourist around lately. I like the bike a lot but I'm having problems getting my knee/legs to be completely comfortable. I'm asking in this forum because I'm thinking that the squish may be a factor.

So far I have moved my seat up and down. I've readjust the handlebars. I've moved the seat up and down.
...I was actually able to get a comfortable leg feel after I put too high of a tilt up in the nose. It squashes the bits, so I cannot keep it like that.. I do have a bad knee. But this pain is more like a cramp in that muscle that wraps around the knee and heads up into the thigh area.

I've watched a hundred fit videos. I get the idea. What I'm missing is how to do this on a bike that isn't a road bike..and you know...fits the squishy people better. Right now my handlebar stem is as high as it can go safely. I think the seat is at the right height.

Any tips or ideas? If you need pictures, I can bother my guy tomorrow.
katsrevenge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 09:26 AM   #2
sstorkel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Bikes: Cervelo RS, Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Pro, Schwinn Typhoon, Nashbar touring, custom steel MTB
Posts: 5,427
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
I can't really envision your setup, but in my experience knee and muscle pain is frequently caused by having the seat too low.
sstorkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 10:02 AM   #3
Bill Kapaun
Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Bikes: 86 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.
Posts: 9,491
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
The way I set my seat height is-
Get moving on the bike-
Put HEELS on pedals.
Adjust upmost so that you can pedal just barely without rocking the hips.
Add 1/8" for each shoe size over 9.
This will get you VERY close!


I've also got a "bad knee" and simply had to go to shorter cranks. Both my bikes now have 165mm arms. That's considered "short" for my height, but it works. Sometimes 5mm is like a foot IF you have a bum knee.
Bill Kapaun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 10:24 AM   #4
arex
Abuse Magnet
 
arex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Colorado
Bikes: '91 Mtn Tek Vertical, '74 Raleigh Sports, '72 Raleigh Twenty, '09 Surly Karate Monkey
Posts: 1,566
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 41 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post
I can't really envision your setup, but in my experience knee and muscle pain is frequently caused by having the seat too low.
+1.
arex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 05:39 PM   #5
TrojanHorse 
SuperGimp
 
TrojanHorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Whittier, CA
Bikes: Specialized Roubaix
Posts: 11,310
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 167 Post(s)
You can also have knee pain from a saddle that is too high! The unscientific rule of thumb is that pain in the front, seat too low, pain in the back of your knee is possibly a seat too high.

Are you mashing too much (slow pedaling a hard gear)?

A couple of representative pictures of you pedaling from a side view would probably be helpful.
__________________
"No self-respecting man rides 70 miles and has salad at a pizza joint!" - PhotoJoe
"I like SoCal a lot better than New Jersey" - RubeRad
TrojanHorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 05:55 PM   #6
katsrevenge
covered in cat fur
Thread Starter
 
katsrevenge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Willkes-Barre, PA
Bikes: Papillionaire Sommer, '85 Schwinn World Tourist, 2014 Windsor Kensington 8, SixThreeZero SS Cruiser
Posts: 614
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It's pain at the side of my knee. Feels almost like a cramp. It's just on the one side, too.

I tried that heel trick, Bill Kapaun. Thanks. I might need to pull the seat up yet more.. but it's high as is. Maybe the bike is just too small????
How much seat tube needs to be inside the frame for a secure seat?

It still feels cramped while turning and with my knee up. With my other bike I was able to resolve that cramped feel by sliding the saddle back about an inch. This bike still feels a bit cramped so matter which way I adjust the saddle, fore or aft! I've even managed to clip my knee with the handlebar..

I'll try to get a picture tonight. I lack a trainer and it's dark and nasty out, but I can balance in the kitchen.

EDTA, I don't mash. I generally stay in 3rd or fourth gear, the larger sprockets but not the largest. Enough for a slight push at a slow pedal but able to climb hills without much trouble.
katsrevenge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 08:07 PM   #7
sstorkel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Bikes: Cervelo RS, Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Pro, Schwinn Typhoon, Nashbar touring, custom steel MTB
Posts: 5,427
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by katsrevenge View Post
How much seat tube needs to be inside the frame for a secure seat?
Most seat posts have a minimum insertion line inscribed on them. If not, then a good rule of thumb is to ensure that the seat post extends past the junction of the seat tube and the top tube. I'd want the bottom of the seat post to be a half-inch, or better yet an inch, below the ST/TT junction but you may be able to get by with less...
sstorkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 08:25 PM   #8
Bill Kapaun
Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Bikes: 86 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.
Posts: 9,491
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
It's sounding like the bike is too small. You didn't specify any sizes for the bike or you.

My hybrid is too small and I had the seat post right at the minimum insertion mark. I wasn't comfortable with that, weighing 240, so I got a 400mm post to replace the 350mm one.
Bill Kapaun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 08:29 PM   #9
Cychologist
Getting older and slower!
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Bowling Green, Kentucky
Bikes: Trek Domane 6 series Project One, Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, Trek XO1
Posts: 409
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
I would suggest you go to your local bike shop and ask them for help. You might even need a complete bike fit, but probably not. But you aren't giving us enough info to really assist you.
Cychologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-14, 10:14 PM   #10
katsrevenge
covered in cat fur
Thread Starter
 
katsrevenge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Willkes-Barre, PA
Bikes: Papillionaire Sommer, '85 Schwinn World Tourist, 2014 Windsor Kensington 8, SixThreeZero SS Cruiser
Posts: 614
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


OK, I've adjusted the seat up, as suggested by sticking my heel and straightening up the leg. And, had I time to go change into something other than baggy black cotton dress and bulky wool black sweater I would have. My guy is doing a lot of overtime this week and he wanted sleep. I'm squishy, as you can see, and I carry the squish in the thigh/bum area.

I'm 5'3", BTW. The bike is a 17 inch frame, 27" wheels. I measured from middle of BB to top of the red tube.Typical woman's frame size. This is why I'm having trouble with the idea that the frame is small... I've ridden kids bikes comfortably. I'm short, LOL.

Right now the seat post has something like four inches in the frame.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN0156.jpg (95.0 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN0150.jpg (95.2 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN0151.jpg (90.1 KB, 14 views)
katsrevenge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 12:18 AM   #11
donalson
just pedal
 
donalson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Kemah, TX (greater Houston area)
Bikes: Surly Disc Trucker, Klein stage comp, trek 560
Posts: 925
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
no real input beyond... I've got a fairly squishy bum myself... makes getting the saddle height a bit more difficult I've found

also dig the old city bike... looks to be a schwinn? that bike is begging for some old school folding bike baskets... makes it perfect to run down to do a bit of grocery shipping

Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20130514_180128.jpg (42.5 KB, 6 views)
donalson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 12:28 AM   #12
Northwestrider
Senior Member
 
Northwestrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Bikes: Surly Long Haul Trucker, Gary Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo, Dahon Mu P 24 , Bacchetta Strada, Rodriguez Tandem, Wheeler MTB
Posts: 2,453
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
You said you have a bad knee. If you have pain for a few weeks that doesn't go away, especially if it persists when going up or down stairs, I'd see a doctor if at all possible.
Northwestrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 12:34 AM   #13
katsrevenge
covered in cat fur
Thread Starter
 
katsrevenge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Willkes-Barre, PA
Bikes: Papillionaire Sommer, '85 Schwinn World Tourist, 2014 Windsor Kensington 8, SixThreeZero SS Cruiser
Posts: 614
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by donalson View Post
no real input beyond... I've got a fairly squishy bum myself... makes getting the saddle height a bit more difficult I've found

also dig the old city bike... looks to be a schwinn? that bike is begging for some old school folding bike baskets... makes it perfect to run down to do a bit of grocery shipping

It's a lot better now than it was when I posted this thread. That heel trick is a keeper!

She's an old Schwinn, a World Tourist, and almost as old as I am. I love the way it rides, other than the side knee pain thing. Nice and zippy.

I actually do ride it to shop all the time. I've got a few bags I tie to the rack.

It's my project bike (and right now my only bike as I sold my big cruiser to help finance a new bike, LOL). It has a front freewheel and will eventually be updated to a single speed/three speed. I'll even add a chain guard and a kitschy crocheted skirt guard... and a new paint job as this one is half nail polish.

ETA, The pain only happens when I ride. I get off, I'm fine. I ride more than a few miles, I hurt. I get off the bike, I'm fine again. My knee is bad in the sense that it sometimes just collapses. Doctor was clueless the last time I was in and told me to loose weight. And, we all know just how easy that can be.

Last edited by katsrevenge; 04-16-14 at 12:38 AM. Reason: new response
katsrevenge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 05:25 PM   #14
MikeRides
Senior Member
 
MikeRides's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: New York
Bikes: Trek 1.1 (road), Raleigh Detour 4.5 (trail)
Posts: 1,160
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
I had a issue with extreme muscle tightening above my knee when I first rode 20+ miles. At the 20 mile mark, I couldn't bend my leg without being in excruciating pain. I later found out it was from "mashing" or pedaling slow in too high of a gear. I switched to a lower, comfortable gear and haven't had the issue since. I also found myself riding further and even slightly faster at that gear.
MikeRides is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-14, 07:11 PM   #15
stephtu
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Bikes:
Posts: 226
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by katsrevenge View Post
It still feels cramped while turning and with my knee up. With my other bike I was able to resolve that cramped feel by sliding the saddle back about an inch. This bike still feels a bit cramped so matter which way I adjust the saddle, fore or aft! I've even managed to clip my knee with the handlebar..
If your upper body is feeling cramped, it looks like it's because you have a short stem and a swept back bar. You might want to go a few centimeters longer on the stem, and/or handlebar with less sweep back. You want stem length to adjust for reach; sliding the seat is more for weight distribution relative to how bent over you like to ride. Sliding the seat affects the reach of course, but you want the saddle right for pedaling, then pick the stem for the reach, not screw with the seat position for it.

Last edited by stephtu; 04-16-14 at 07:17 PM.
stephtu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-14, 08:59 AM   #16
thrllskr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Denver, CO - City Park
Bikes: Fuji, Ridley, Bianchi, Charge
Posts: 248
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
My two cents. You can adjust your seat all day long, up and down. I have found most knee pain is associated with not stretching. You need to stretch your TI band which will alleviate most pain on the outside of the knee. The inside and top of the knee is usually pretty limber. Go search for TI band stretches....might help.
thrllskr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:44 PM.