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Old 04-21-14, 09:02 AM   #26
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hills... love hills... wind, not so much...
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Old 04-21-14, 09:03 AM   #27
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I prefer hills. Hills are predictable and I can build my route around them, or avoid them depending what kind of ride I'm trying to do.

Wind is unpredictable. I've ridden a straight line west and come back the same straight line east and ridden directly into the wind both ways (180 deg shift in direction in less than half an hour). Have to be able to deal with it - race day may be windy - but that doesn't mean I enjoy it.
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Old 04-21-14, 09:24 AM   #28
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I seem to be able to push myself harder on hills (or the little bumps I currently call hills) because I can work toward achieving a visible goal. While I may be able to push myself just as hard in the wind, I don't quite get the level of satisfaction that I do when I crest a hill.

Don't get me wrong, I hate hills with a burning deep hate (diminishing a little bit with time)... but I hate wind more.
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Old 04-21-14, 09:37 AM   #29
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Hills. As others have said, hills never change. Winds are known to shift, especially in the spring. Where I live, in summer and early fall, we can almost count on prevailing SW winds that start out light in the morning, and freshen in the afternoon as the sun heats up the land and adds the sea breeze effect, letting us plan our rides around them to get the tailwind coming home. But it's not a guarantee. Hills also don't gust or become "cross hills" that can effect handling. I've seen unprepared riders get blown off the road by a strong crosswind gust.
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Old 04-21-14, 09:48 AM   #30
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I prefer hills as they represent a challenge with an end. Wind is just soul crushing.
I tend to agree. Yesterday's ride "out" was into the wind and it was just, well, soul-crushing. I retreated to the MUP instead of the road because there was at least a little shelter from the wind there. The ride "back" was a little more enjoyable with a tail wind.
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Old 04-21-14, 10:53 AM   #31
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I will adjust my ride and tackle larger hills if it means avoiding the wind. You can prepare yourself for a hill when you see it coming......but the wind......

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I've gotten to the point where the hills I normally ride are a challenge that I enjoy, and at least with all that work I can see that I'm going up. With wind even the downhills are hard. The wind makes me sad.
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One story about wind...doing the Lighthouse Century here in CA. Along the coast the winds get brutal... I believe we had a 40 mph headwind out to the turn around. I remember breaking down and crying a few times I was so tired. A very good friend allowed me to draft behind him for about 15 miles until I got to the turn around... but then, HEAVEN! I had those winds to my back. First time ever (and no doubt last) I was able to climb a hill at 25 mph! I was pusing close to 40 on the flats and then we turned inland... =sigh= all fun was gone!
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I think I would prefer the hills. Mostly from a psychological perspective. Hills have a visible end. Head/crosswinds seem to last forever, no matter which direction you turn. I had a really tough flat ride last week and it felt like I had a 30mph headwind for 18 out of the 20 miles. It was ridiculous.
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Old 04-21-14, 02:59 PM   #35
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hills can be routed around , and headwinds tend to come in the afternoon , so start early before they pick up, and stop when they start.,

or go with them at your back, the other way ,


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On a cold day give me hills.
On a hot day give me winds.
On a easy day keep the temps nice and save the hills/winds for hard days.
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Old 04-21-14, 05:28 PM   #37
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So if you had a choice, which would you choose: 30 MPH head/cross winds or constant 12-15% grade hills?
Constant 12-15% "hill"? That's a freaking mountain and I assure you, would kill me. I'll take the wind, thank you. Modify that to 8% and I'll take the hill.
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Constant 12-15% "hill"? That's a freaking mountain and I assure you, would kill me. I'll take the wind, thank you. Modify that to 8% and I'll take the hill.
It must be opposite day because I agree with PhotoJoe for a change.

12% for any length of time is brutal. I rode up the Palm Springs tramway with some other judgement-impaired people from this forum and that's about 4 miles of 10.8% average, which is about as nasty as I can handle. The ride down was divine though, 46 mph and I was sitting up as much as possible to create an air brake!
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Old 04-21-14, 08:58 PM   #39
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Hills. Today I had gusts of wind up to 28 mph. So uphill with winds either pushing me sideways or busting my chops. Brutal.
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Old 04-22-14, 06:06 AM   #41
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Depends.

I'll take a steady climb of under 8% over gusting winds anytime.

I'll take a steady 20mph wind over steep stair step climbs that never end.

Over 12% climb of any duration, give me wind.
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Old 04-22-14, 06:38 AM   #42
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Old 04-27-14, 07:11 PM   #43
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Give me a hill any day!!! I have had tooooooooooo many times where I stated into a headwind only to turn around on a out and back to have a























HEADWIND!

As someone else said hills have their UPS and DOWNS! Or as another put it "What goes up must come down!" You said 10-15% grade constant; you also said you did an out and back so out would be up but back would be down!!!
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I hate headwinds. They kill my momentum and are a constant bane. Strangely, Alabama winds seem to shift to work against both hunters and cyclists. I always seem to get a headwind, even when I turn around. Hills, however are fun. I can prepare, then "stomp it" on up.

Oh yeah, 30・ and 45・ (degree) hills are common.
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I hate winds more than hills, but winds help build my mental stamina and physical stamina, especially on 50-75 milers. While hills work on physical more than mental. That's just my .02
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Constant 12-15% "hill"? That's a freaking mountain and I assure you, would kill me. I'll take the wind, thank you. Modify that to 8% and I'll take the hill.
Not constant, per-say, but I've got two hills on my regular route(back country roads) that is in the 12-15% grade range. Coincidentally these two hills are back to back, as soon as I pedal up one it's flat for 1/4 mile then it's up another. I assure you, with the right amount of training anyone can ride up it, my first attempt I couldn't make it to the half way point before needing to walk, now I'm pedaling up the whole thing in my granny gear doing <6mph.

Like someone else said, I'd choose hills over headwind any day of the week, at least with the hills you know what's expected, a headwind can hypothetically kill you by releasing strong gusts and/or reverse itself when you turn around.
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...now I'm pedaling up the whole thing in my granny gear doing <6mph.
Who said we had to go up the hill fast?
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Who said we had to go up the hill fast?
The faster you ride up it, the sooner you can coast down it.

Besides anything slower than 6 mph I figure I could do better walking
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Had the oddest ride yesterday,

Near dead on head winds on the way out when it was mostly climb...

Then slight quartering tailwinds on the way back when it was mostly descent!

My SO was charitable on the climbs. She dropped me but good on several descents. I'm usually a downhill specialist so that's rare. She waited up at several key spots though...
God, I loved the smile she had on from going really fast!
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Besides anything slower than 6 mph I figure I could do better walking
All I know is that I can pedal my granny gear faster and easier than I can walk. I also hate walking far.

Tru Dat on coasting. It also gives us something else to shoot for.
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