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Old 05-27-14, 06:44 AM   #26
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I'm genuinely curious about this. Does this usually work to intimidate them and cause them to stop? I haven't been chased by a big dog yet, I'd be willing to try that technique if I knew it usually worked. My concern is that by the time you are stopped and dismounted, the dog is upon you. Is he going to back off or go for your leg? Sure, not all dogs are aggressive to that point but there are always a few.
Usually, the act of stopping is enough. The chase is over and dogs get bored easily. Predators of all kinds don't want to fit their prey so as soon as the chase stops and the possibility of a fight begins, the predator will go find other easier places to find a meal.

When you "dismount" your bike, you don't necessarily have to get completely off the bike. Just getting off the saddle and putting your feet on the ground is often enough. If you do have to put the bike between you and the dog, swinging your leg over the bike is a pretty quick move, especially when you are already standing on the ground.

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IMO there's nothing like a big fast dog to show you what you're capable of.

Years of experience with farm dogs taught me that you don't need to carry anything. Just reach doen to your belly and in you're best most authoritive voice call out "GO HOME!!" Most dogs will respond to the "master's" commands, and do so. For those that don't, that's what adrenaline is for.
Frank. Frank. Frank. There Hell goes with the freezing again But just wait, you are going to get all kinds of people telling you that this just doesn't work. I've used this technique to great effect in 45 of our 50 states without problems but the fear of dogs is great in some people.

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The problem with using pepper spray as a weapon against dogs while riding, is that it's harder to hit the target than many imagine.

Th issue of shooting from a moving platform, combined with apparent wind makes people miss or get so focused on spraying the dog, that they lose control of the bikes .

Over the years of watching people trying to spray dogs from a moving bikes, I can say with some assurance that the dogs are winning this battle, and many riders end up with more serious injuries than the dog was likely to inflict.

Pepper spray is appropriate if you use it when dismounted and keeping your frame between you and the dog.

It also pays to understand dog psychology (especially in rural areas). Many dogs give chase simply to give chase and will stop and rapidly get bored and go home if you stop (keep the frame between you and the dog just in case).

Also many rural dogs are simply protecting their home, and are less interested in biting than chasing off a perceived attacker. I call these property-line dogs because they'll chase very fiercely up to the property line and no further. So if you see the dividing fence within sprint range, go for it. Unfortunately, there may be another dog there to pick up the chase until the next line. (personal record 17 dogs over 17 properties near Lake Canandagua, NY, maybe a personal best for a mile).
I, too, don't understand how people expect to ride a bike, sprint away from a dog, get out their spray, turn around, aim and fire the spray, and still manage to keep their bike moving down the road. I blame it on John Ford Westerns. But John Wayne had a horse under him that could run down the road by itself. And, although the Duke could shoot three Indians off their horses with a single shoot from a galloping horse in the movies, in real life he'd be more likely to shoot his own horse than hit a target behind him...just as a bicyclist is more likely to shoot himself or crash.

By the way, you can explain dogs to people, their relationship to humans, and the fact that many dogs can run 30 to 35mph until you are blue in the face but it won't help. The fear of dogs is just something you can't talk people out of.
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Thanks for the flame. Appreciate that. We were actually talking about self protection. Not intentionally provoking or attacking wild animals minding their own business. You may or may not realize that does happen to be a very big difference.

Not that it was a flame, but I reconsidered point No. 2 in my post and tried to delete the post in its entirety. However, I wasn't wearing my glasses and apparently didn't execute the delete option correctly.

In any event, what Cycco said. I was actually hoping he would chime in on the subject.
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I'm genuinely curious about this. Does this usually work to intimidate them and cause them to stop? I haven't been chased by a big dog yet, I'd be willing to try that technique if I knew it usually worked. My concern is that by the time you are stopped and dismounted, the dog is upon you. Is he going to back off or go for your leg? Sure, not all dogs are aggressive to that point but there are always a few.
Some will, some just like the chase.
The dogs that are serious about biting you, well. You would rather be standing then riding with a 40lb dog dangling from your Achilles's tendon...

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Wasn't going down hill. Flat road and moving pretty good when he came off the porch. I peddled "FAST AS HELL" as I had a slight angle in the curve. When I saw the dog turned back, I stopped pedaling and glanced at my bike computer as it changed from 19 to 18 mph!
You didn't out run him, unless the dog was REALLY fat, or REALLY old. Timed a friendly Lab at 30, after a mile, running with our dirt bikes (on road)... But she was a hell of a dog.
Most likely it was either a "friendly" chase, or you got out of the dog's territory. Don't confuse the term "friendly" they can still decide to bite at the last second, or tangle up with your wheels and put you down...

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Usually, the act of stopping is enough. The chase is over and dogs get bored easily. Predators of all kinds don't want to fit their prey so as soon as the chase stops and the possibility of a fight begins, the predator will go find other easier places to find a meal.

When you "dismount" your bike, you don't necessarily have to get completely off the bike. Just getting off the saddle and putting your feet on the ground is often enough. If you do have to put the bike between you and the dog, swinging your leg over the bike is a pretty quick move, especially when you are already standing on the ground.



Frank. Frank. Frank. There Hell goes with the freezing again But just wait, you are going to get all kinds of people telling you that this just doesn't work. I've used this technique to great effect in 45 of our 50 states without problems but the fear of dogs is great in some people.



I, too, don't understand how people expect to ride a bike, sprint away from a dog, get out their spray, turn around, aim and fire the spray, and still manage to keep their bike moving down the road. I blame it on John Ford Westerns. But John Wayne had a horse under him that could run down the road by itself. And, although the Duke could shoot three Indians off their horses with a single shoot from a galloping horse in the movies, in real life he'd be more likely to shoot his own horse than hit a target behind him...just as a bicyclist is more likely to shoot himself or crash.

By the way, you can explain dogs to people, their relationship to humans, and the fact that many dogs can run 30 to 35mph until you are blue in the face but it won't help. The fear of dogs is just something you can't talk people out of.


Oh, use a command voice... As low pinch and directive as you can muster. High pitch shriek signals your fear, instead of dominance undermining your message.

Oh, and a ulock in hand surely helps get the message across. Hold the bent part and if you have a good target swing like a hammer and hard.

One poor dog in the swamp where I grew up was driven mad by fleas... lost most of it's hair. It took to attacking anything that moved. A Schwinn Traveler smashed down from overhead drove it off (bike was ok, dog took the brunt of it) . A couple more attacks later and it was taken out back and shot...
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I grew up in the country, I've also worked for the Humane society, including working with dogs in quarintine for biting.

And when I was young, living in the country, it was the custom to let our dogs run free. Of course one complaint from a neighbour and that would have ended. But for the most part our dogs learned to live with the neighbours, including livestock and cyclists.

There are many dogs who just like to chase. They have no intention of biting, they may be protecting the property, or they may just be enjoying a good run. Sadly I had two dogs who enjoyed the good run, who ended up chasing cars and ending up on the wrong end of it.

I think there isn't necessarily one answer for what to do, as there isn't one dog behaviour involved. I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself if the dog were truly agressive. But a chase isn't necsssarily agresssive. Stopping may be the thing to do, but I would put some distance between you first. Many dogs will chase you away from their territory and slow down as they perceive you are leaving. A yell may work, depends on the dog. Some dogs can keep up for days, others don't have the energy for a sustained chase. My dalmation was bred to run thirty miles a day, it could certainly keep up with a cyclist for a long distance. A rotweiller on the other hand is not a long distance runner.

If you stop, observe. If the head is down and the dog is growling that is the time to break its concentration. A stern voice command is a start. But be prepared that a well trained dog may obey that, a poorly socialized one may react with agression. Thats when pepper spray or a water bottle would work.

Dogs have individual personalities, depending on their socialization and training. To me pepper spray or hitting the dog is a last resort.
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agreed!!!
That's my way of dealing with them. Most dogs stop if you stop and I swear that a lot of them don't know it's a human on a bike. They get a sheepish look and come over wagging their tails for a pat. There's a dog by my dad's house that I've petted, gone for walks with several times. Any time I show up on a bike he wants to chase me.

And I've only maced one dog.

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On a lighter note - On a rural ride through a strange neighborhood, I was once chased by a very large floppy hairy Golden Retriever with a lumbering gait, loose teeth, fading eyes, and snow white muzzle. His low bark was horse and of short lung capacity, but he made a broad effort to be intimidating. I slowed and stopped for fear he would collapse. He slowly walked up to me tail wagging, sniffed my gloved hand, then gave me a lick. I could not help it, I turned around and walked him back to his driveway and told him to stay. Now when I pass that way, he just gives me a woof from his porch pillow accompanied by what's left of a good tail wag. It sucks getting old and retired...

Hope someone walks me back to my driveway next time I make the effort...
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I carry pepper spray for four and two legged beasts...
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Always some feces for brain owner who has Powerful BIG HEAD BIG JAWED dogs -running loose or behind a pitiful excuse for a fence.
Pits Rotts Mastiffs and exotic huge breeds I won't attempt to spell

around here-NOLA metro- it is a rare month that a pit mauling a kid or granny-doesn't make the news.

Yeah I love dogs cats etc-but some breeds-like owning a freakin lion
Dogs are great for protection-little dogs big dogs-as long as they have good hearing-and smell-they will alert you to an intruder-but too dangerous if you train them for attack/aggression-yeah just bark wake me up-Arty will do that.

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Like others said-Ignoring dog-or stern command-keep pedaling-is all most will need

I am a dog cat liker-not so much on humans

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I have found that squirting them with a water bottle is very effective. I surprises them and they immediately break off the chase. I have been chased many times in the hinterlands of Chino farm country.
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I sometimes yell "get off the couch!!!" With good results.
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So I'm finishing up my last leg of my ride and this LARGE CHARGES ME! Don't know where I got the strength from but I'm I got over 100 RPMs! There's a least law in our city and I'm going to remind it's owner! Is there a spray I should carry?

UPDATE! The dog was picked up by the Pound! I've read a lot of posts here as well in other forums and will get the Fox Pepper Spray or ammonia/cayenne pepper mix in a water *** or bottle.
If you have young kids, or there are young kids around your stuff, this isn't the best of ideas.

When I was younger, my dad biked, and had a friend he rode with often. His friend did just that, put ammonia in a bike water bottle. Not long after that his young daughter found the bottle and decided to have a drink. Even if you label it, or know for certain that that's NOT the bottle to drink from, someone else may not.

Seriously ... a good squirt from the water bottle will usually stop it.
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I was bitten by a lab who chased me down on a public street, when if got off my bike the dog kept comming at me. Only after I yelled at the owner to call the dog off did the the lady try to get fido under control. Since then I carry pepper spray, not had the need to use it, hope I don't.
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ALL RIGHT FELLOWS WE'RE OFF THE SUBJECT AND GETTING PERSONAL...CHILL OUT!! Everyone has the right to protect themselves from man or beast! Hopefully I don't have to use the pepper spray I ordered...but will if I have too!

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I'm neither a Clydesdale nor an Athena, I just happened to notice this post as I was heading past into the road bike forum.

I am, however, a veterinarian. I work with dogs every day. A dog that is not contained on its owner's property is the problem, not a cyclist/jogger (or, God-forbid, car) going by. I am a pretty good judge of dogs but there is no way any of us can know for sure whether a dog is chasing you down because he intends to attack vs just having fun vs chasing you to his property line. Sure, sometimes a sharp "no" will work, sometimes getting off your bike & stopping will work, sometimes those things will not work and the cyclist could be maimed or killed.

So coming from a huge dog lover: do not hesitate to use pepper spray on a dog chasing you on a public street if you feel threatened. And don't feel one iota of guilt over it- the person who should feel guilty is the pet owner who should be watching out for that dog's safety by keeping it out of the road & from being a public nuisance in general.

Human safety over animal safety always.
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I can guarantee that Sabre Red stream works fine against any of the dogs I have been chased by. They completely lose interest in me and gain interest in scrubbing their face against the ground. Sorry, but if it's me or the dog I win every time. If he gets his face in my spokes we're both going to get hurt...and a lot harder to fix than a little capsicum in the face.
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I am, however, a veterinarian. I am a pretty good judge of dogs but there is no way any of us can know for sure whether a dog is chasing you down because he intends to attack vs just having fun vs chasing you to his property line. Sure, sometimes a sharp "no" will work, sometimes getting off your bike & stopping will work, sometimes those things will not work and the cyclist could be maimed or killed.
So coming from a huge dog lover: do not hesitate to use pepper spray on a dog chasing you on a public street if you feel threatened. And don't feel one iota of guilt over it- the person who should feel guilty is the pet owner who should be watching out for that dog's safety by keeping it out of the road & from being a public nuisance in general.
^ Well said.
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PhotoJoe's warning in post 30 shouldn't be taken lightly. Nor should his little blue star.
I am but a lowly volunteer who enjoys this forum enough to help keep it a great place. Tom, the head-hancho of this forum, has mandated that there is to be no 9mm discussion (yes, .45acp falls under that category) in the open forums. Also, to the comments that this is a public forum - actually, it's a private forum with a set of guidelines that we all agreed to before being given access to post. If you're wondering what those guidelines are because you agreed to them without reading them (not that any of us would do that! ), they can be found here. And finally, those guidelines also discuss that no personal attacks will be permitted.

I've gone through and deleted or edited quite a few posts. Lets leave the 9mm talk out or this will have to be closed or moved to P&R.

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Hum?? Well at least it didn't get locked down!
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I read an article a while back that talked about some sort of non-chemical sonic dog and other animal repeller that was effective but not harmful to anyone or anything. Does any one know anything about this this?
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There are electronic high frequency noise generators (essentially electronic dog whistles) that emit noise of a higher pitch than adult humans can hear. These types of devices are used to repel dogs and teenagers.

You can always try standard dog whistles.
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Don't pepper spray a dog please.

Stop, put the bike between you and the dog, and yell at it loudly if necessary. (even if it seems scary)
I have done this, while riding my steel frame Bottecchia. The time I did it, it worked. The dog was a pitbull with a head as big as a pumpkin.

Not sure I would do it with one of my carbon frame bikes though. LOL

YMMV
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Guy on the video over-reacts in my opinion. Those dogs weren't attacking in my opinion and he wouldn't have been killed. Rider just got scared.
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