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    Hit a new max HR today...

    I was trying to set a new PR on a straight 2.6 mile segment on the local river trail (SART by yorba regional park)... My original plan was to do it twice but it was getting dark and I wussed out.

    Anyway, my previous high water mark for HR on a bicycle was 177 and today I hit 180. I guess that's good.

    I wanted to average 300W for the full distance (2.6 miles) and came up slightly short. It was pretty warm so I'll go with that as my excuse du jour. I was a full 15 seconds slower today than I was on Monday (7:04 vs 6:49).

    Well, there's always next week.

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    7 min pwr of 290
    Reckon the "Super" PT wheel is back to normal then eh?

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    Lol this reminds me of when I rode from Winchester canyon to Gaviota and back in 1:47:30 (this was in my prime many years ago).
    A week later I did the ride again. I wanted to knock a minute off my time. My new time was exactly the same 1:47:30! At least
    was consistent.

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    Nice work! 300w for 7 min, only exists in my dreams.

    You guys are killing me, I finally got to where I have zero bike envy but I sure have a case of PM envy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBOHUNT View Post
    7 min pwr of 290
    Reckon the "Super" PT wheel is back to normal then eh?
    Tragically, it seems so. I guess there's something to that calibrating business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ursa Minor View Post
    Lol this reminds me of when I rode from Winchester canyon to Gaviota and back in 1:47:30 (this was in my prime many years ago).
    A week later I did the ride again. I wanted to knock a minute off my time. My new time was exactly the same 1:47:30! At least
    was consistent.

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    Believe me, it's worse when you go all out and try to best your previous time and fall waaaaaaay short. You probably got stuck at a light for 2 min. Yeah, that's the ticket.

    Quote Originally Posted by bbeasley View Post
    Nice work! 300w for 7 min, only exists in my dreams.

    You guys are killing me, I finally got to where I have zero bike envy but I sure have a case of PM envy.
    You should get one. Everybody's doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbeasley View Post
    Nice work! 300w for 7 min, only exists in my dreams.

    You guys are killing me, I finally got to where I have zero bike envy but I sure have a case of PM envy.

    Well, if you have to have an envy it's not a bad one to have.
    I was one that fought the power meter deal for a while. Glad that I caved in and got one. Not real sure how to train properly without one. One can use HR but as has been noted by others that changes quite a bit.

    Now if I could only get fast.

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    Yikes. 180bpm. They'd have to cart me away...

    I like my new Stages PM but am still working out how to read and benefit from the data I'm getting. TH, tell me again the title of that book on training with a PM that you'd recommended I check out?

    I completely busted my butt up the Rock Store climb to set my 20-minute FTP power meter baseline and earned a Strava PR in the process. In subsequent climbs I've been trying to watch my power in order to save some oomph for the last pitch but haven't been able to better that time. Still 11 seconds off my 20-minute goal. So frustrating. If I don't improve soon I'm afraid I'm going to have to quit using Wild Turkey as my preferred recovery drink...

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    I've used:

    Training and Racing with a Power Meter by Hunter Allen

    http://www.amazon.com/Training-Racin.../dp/1934030554

    I have also used Trainer Road during the winter months.

    Power Based Indoor Cycling Training Software - TrainerRoad.com

    They have over 400 workouts and some plans that you can use. Don't like their workouts you can create your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunkerDown View Post
    Yikes. 180bpm. They'd have to cart me away...

    I like my new Stages PM but am still working out how to read and benefit from the data I'm getting. TH, tell me again the title of that book on training with a PM that you'd recommended I check out?

    I completely busted my butt up the Rock Store climb to set my 20-minute FTP power meter baseline and earned a Strava PR in the process. In subsequent climbs I've been trying to watch my power in order to save some oomph for the last pitch but haven't been able to better that time. Still 11 seconds off my 20-minute goal. So frustrating. If I don't improve soon I'm afraid I'm going to have to quit using Wild Turkey as my preferred recovery drink...

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    How do Strava's computed power numbers compare with your Stages?

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    Hmm. Good question. Not sure what could be gleaned from this, but here's a screen shot of my last dozen or so trips up Rock Store with the wattage noted with the lightning bolt icon being the ones measured by the power meter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunkerDown View Post
    Hmm. Good question. Not sure what could be gleaned from this, but here's a screen shot of my last dozen or so trips up Rock Store with the wattage noted with the lightning bolt icon being the ones measured by the power meter.

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    Strava Watt Comparison 8-14.jpg
    Yeah, it's all over the place. I was hoping the PM would be consistently higher. That would motivate me to get one But alas I guess there's no substitute for work.

    Great job you guys are doing! Now TH has me motivated to go out and try to hit 300. I'm such a sucker for numbers on websites, Strava drives me crazy.

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    Strava calculations are OK for uphill roads of 4% or more (my opinion, no scientific fact here). They get REALLY wonky on flat roads because you have wind unaccounted for and of course, the actual incline of the road is rarely accurate. Go pedal steady state on a road and see the fluctuations on strava's power chart. I would say it's impossible to use Strava's estimate for anything other than BS'ing at the bar after a ride.

    The book I"m reading now is called The Time Crunched Cyclist. I'm at the point where I'm supposed to go figure out my FTP.

    So, the TTCC method is to do some goofy stuff, and then do an 8 min. all-out effort. Turn around, spin back to the start (10 or more min.) and then do the same section of road again all-out. Your FTP should be 90% of that average power number (compare to 95% of the 20 min. TT effort) and his workouts and whatnot are based on whatever number you discover, so you're not actually using the derived FTP, you're using your actual power number from two 8-min runs. The painful part is that if you do two efforts and one is higher than the other, you set your training regimen on the higher one anyway.

    OK, so the reason I was too fried to do two of those last night (besides the looming darkness)... I was spinning easily up to the Imperial bridge over SART and heard the tell-tale sounds of a road cyclist coasting behind me. My FTP test section starts right after the bridge. I headed over the bridge (which is wooden, rough, and slow going) and thought to myself - Self, there are three possible outcomes here. That guy is either going to pass me because he's a bad-ass cyclist, of which there are plenty around here, or he's going to annoy me and cling to my wheel like a dingle berry because I'm a great person to draft off of , or you can dig deep and prevent either outcome. I never really turned around to validate my assumptions but I never saw that guy again either. It's entirely possible he finished his ride at the park the route goes by but hey - I managed to get some extra motivation from his theoretical presence.

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    Also, after getting some beginner's power meter hints from TH, I've started recalibrating my power meter before every ride. I suspect that'll make a difference in the numbers, too. I try to do the Conejo Valley Cyclists' Tuesday evening Rock Store loop every week as I bust my butt to finally break that elusive 20-minute Strava segment goal.

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    Calibrating my power tap was the worst thing that ever happened to my power numbers... LOL. It's been very consistent over the years but I replaced the batteries on Monday right before my ride and holy power output! My garmin mount is busted so I ride with it in my jersey pocket and didn't see it coming.

    Speaking of which, Garmin is going to swap it out for a refurbished Garmin 800 for $25, which I consider highly reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    Calibrating my power tap was the worst thing that ever happened to my power numbers... LOL. It's been very consistent over the years but I replaced the batteries on Monday right before my ride and holy power output! My garmin mount is busted so I ride with it in my jersey pocket and didn't see it coming.

    Speaking of which, Garmin is going to swap it out for a refurbished Garmin 800 for $25, which I consider highly reasonable.
    BS'ing at the bar or Internet is all I do anyway. Saturday I'm going to try to hit 300w on a 4 mile Strava segment that one of my beanpole, young friends felt the need to steal from me.

    What happened to your Garmin, did the mount on the unit break? I think you and I got ours the same time/way. I swap mine between 2 bikes so the mount get's a lot of action.

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    I got this garmin in May of last year but since I was on crutches, I really didn't use it until July, so it's a full year old. I take it on and off the bike every time I ride (figure 3-4 times a week). I'm using one of those plastic "out front" style mounts - the SRAM one. I can't imagine that is causing any issues although I have heard complaints about the k-edge one

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    I got this garmin in May of last year but since I was on crutches, I really didn't use it until July, so it's a full year old. I take it on and off the bike every time I ride (figure 3-4 times a week). I'm using one of those plastic "out front" style mounts - the SRAM one. I can't imagine that is causing any issues although I have heard complaints about the k-edge one
    Uh oh, I use the k-edge on both bikes.

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    to be honest the little dog ear mount part seems awfully frail - it's probably got more to do with that than the actual k-edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    Calibrating my power tap was the worst thing that ever happened to my power numbers... LOL. It's been very consistent over the years but I replaced the batteries on Monday right before my ride and holy power output! My garmin mount is busted so I ride with it in my jersey pocket and didn't see it coming.

    Speaking of which, Garmin is going to swap it out for a refurbished Garmin 800 for $25, which I consider highly reasonable.
    you will like the 800, its a good size and over sized like their latest. Wifey does want me to get that darn 1000 version, so she can track where I am and if I'm laid up in some ditch

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    you will like the 800, its a good size and over sized like their latest. Wifey does want me to get that darn 1000 version, so she can track where I am and if I'm laid up in some ditch
    I already have the 800, that's the one with the busted mount. I like it - I can actually read the numbers while I'm riding. I used my son's 500 yesterday and oy it was tough. I also like being able to tap the screen of the 800 to get the backlight to turn on momentarily. It's a nice unit.

    As for the 1000...skip it. it's a bug ridden mess, apparently. Just put an app on your phone so she knows where you are (my family uses Life360 - it's nice to know where everybody is and no, it's not creepy)

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    290-300 watts!!!! for 7 minutes. That is some hammerfest on the pedals. good job.

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    Thanks. Now if only I could keep that up for 20 min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    Thanks. Now if only I could keep that up for 20 min.
    60 min is the goal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBOHUNT View Post
    60 min is the goal...
    Precisely. What's your current ftp, if I may ask? On the PM I borrowed from a friend last year I made it to about 290. Sounds OK until I tell you I weighed 90 kilos at the time...

    The new fatter, unfit me is certainly down below 3w/kg. I don't really want to know the current figure...
    There have been many days when I haven't felt like riding, but there has never been a day when I was sorry I rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBOHUNT View Post
    60 min is the goal...
    Shaddap you foul temptress! Tempter!

    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Precisely. What's your current ftp, if I may ask? On the PM I borrowed from a friend last year I made it to about 290. Sounds OK until I tell you I weighed 90 kilos at the time...

    The new fatter, unfit me is certainly down below 3w/kg. I don't really want to know the current figure...
    I have no idea what my current FTP is - this aborted run was going to be an attempt to measure it. Although not really, the TTCC specifies 2 8 min. all out efforts and although your FTP should be 90% of those, they structure their intervals and whatnot on the actual value that you measure. i measured it right after I got my fancy wheels a year and a half ago and got about 242. if I had to guess, I'm probably at about 260 or so now, all that's required is to prove it. Obviously neither number is particularly impressive, particularly at 100 kg.

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