dr_lha

There's an update for TR iOS app? It's not showing up on my iPhone. I know that they changed a lot about how the inRide is handled, because of revelations that the inRide app doesn't actually do spin down calibration. There's a whole thread about it on their support site. I'm getting cadence from the BlueSC so I guess I'm OK. Did you not fit yours yet?

salreus

I haven't fitted mine yet. On my list if things to do today. Just felt good and wanted to do a quick 30 min ride.
I am on the beta version of TR for IOS. Which you can download from the app store via the test flight program. I believe the guy you have to email is on the same support site thread you are talking about. Not sure if it's in violation of the forum or not. if it is, someone can remove the below.

"If you would like to get on our iOS beta, email me directly at nate@trainerroad.com and put your email address in the title asking to be on the beta."

dr_lha

Oh, right that makes sense.

Turzy

https://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/r...20-Minute-Test

Did the 20 min test earlier today

salreus

That test just look brutal to me...I might do that at the end of my 6 week base volume 1.

salreus

Ok, i did install the BlueSC and I think TR can see it. I assume it's the SC because if I upload to Strava, I can see speed now. But with the beta... it's completely jacked up and useless. Basically while working out, it will give you a cadence but then doesn't really change as you can see below in my work out. I wasn't able to complete this one... I think the LTRH value I have is about accurate. I could only go so long above my LTRH value until I was going to give up but instead I focused on keeping my HR around 130 vs stopping. I finished with my average HR above my LTRH and felt like I was really pushing it vs doing the 90 min ride yesterday much lower and never really feeling challenged but just discomfort.

Goddard by Salreus on Sunday, February 1, 2015 - TrainerRoad

dr_lha

I guess that's why it's a beta. On the non-beta TR iOS app it's working fine, as you can see from my ride today:

Baxter by jak574 on Sunday, February 1, 2015 - TrainerRoad

BTW I found Baxter quite challenging (although not impossible, by any means, but I lost a lot of fluids doing it). The fact that you found it easy probably means you need to bump up your FTP again.

salreus

Yes, I found Baster easy but couldn't finish Goddard I tried today. So, if I move my FTP up, I would have prob dropped out of Goddard even sooner. I was thinking I need to move it down considering how difficult I found Goddard. I suspect I am able to do Baxter without issue because that was the style of riding I did all last year. Not sure what I need to do. One was way too easy an one was way too hard. Does that mean I am where I should be??? Guess I'll see how I feel in a few days.

But I think I need to go back to the non beta release. The landscape view is nice but the sensors are all over the place.

Turzy

It is lol
I would have done the 2x8 min test if I didn't already have a good idea what kind of effort I was going to sustain for that long.

salreus

Just realized something... I did baxter, which was too easy, on the non beta release and did Goddard on the beta which is too hard. I suspect read power from inRide different between the two apps. So I suspect we are both right. I need to pump up above 135 on the old app. but maybe lower on the beta.. hmm.

dr_lha

Sounds like it'll be a while before the beta comes the final release. I hope so anyway, looks like a lot of issues to fix.

dr_lha

Interesting point, Baxter's up-and-down certainly is more equivalent to "normal cycling" I guess, although the focus on keeping in one gear and just pushing up and down cadence isn't something I do unless I'm really trying to mix things up. I find trainer rides to be very different beasts to actually going out there. For example, when the weather is good I'd think nothing of going out for 2-3 hours and going up to 50 miles on my bike on a whim (and longer with organized rides, I did a bunch of metric centuries and a "real" century last year), but the idea of going over 60 minutes on the trainer was a real mental block that I struggled to overcome.

RomansFiveEight

I struggle to get motivated. I also struggle with a sore rear! Out on the road, I can coast down a hill whilst standing on the pedals (or even putting enough weight on them to mean no weight on the saddle even if I still appear to be sitting on it). Sitting constantly on the trainer though is brutal. I absolutely have not figured out how to pedal out of the saddle. It absolutely kills my legs after just a couple of seconds and feels like I'm pushing my muscles to the max just to steady myself. Everyone else makes it look effortless.

I've settled to, for now, focus on shorter, more intense workouts. Generally one-hour at a time. The 2+ hour rides are just not gonna happen for me, right now. Maybe with some experience I'll be able to do the longer rides. I'm sticking with the Aerobic base plan; but replacing the 2+ hour rides with Sufferfest video rides or the like.

Motivation is tough though. Sometimes I'm not even tired; I'm just so bored. Even pedaling in front of the TV. For me, it's the lighter-duty recovery rides that are the worst. At least the more intense stuff makes me suffer a bit which keeps my mind off of how bored I am. Like at the end of the 20 minute climb on Sufferfests' "The Hunted". (Only one I've done so far, streams free on Strava Premium) Just focusing on remembering how my legs work and trying to convince them to keep going kept me busy!

salreus

I do like the training because it pushes us outside our normal routines. I don't think I am going to do short 30 sec sprints on a normal ride. But doing so will help condition us. One thing i have been focusing on is my knees. with my big ole belly. I have a tendency to push my knees outward on my up stroke to avoid the belly. But that is bad for the knees and being on a bike. I can focus on my movement vs staring at my knees while riding 13 mph on a bike path and running into a tree. I would love to hit a metric this year.. but I fear I will be doing it alone. The wife has no desire to spend that much time riding. I have a rails to trail path by my house that has about a 48 mile round trip. I am really interested in trying this out. And I want to do some fun organized rides. Which is why I am doing this now. I don't want ot waste my spring getting into shape. I want to already be in shape.

dr_lha

First metric I did last year was a charity ride, that was probably the longest I'd ever gone in one ride (I did the London-Brighton bike ride a few times as a teenager, but that's only 54 miles/86km). It almost killed me to finish, but I did it (with the help of a couple of other guys riding with me). By the end of the year I was doing a metric every weekend for 8 weeks, in training to do a proper century. Took me just under 8 hours to do the 102 miles of the "century" (time includes breaks), but I did it. Thanks "Chamois Butt'r".

This year I want to start out the season doing a 76-mile charity ride in spring, hence the trainer!

RomansFiveEight

You bet! I have this phobia, if you will, of wearing myself out too far from home. And sitting at the bottom of the hill before my house in a pool of my own sweat in the fetal position or something. So I tend not to push myself as much as I should when I'm out riding. On the trainer, I can certainly push myself. And that tends to give me confidence to do more out on the road.

Out on the road, its also REALLY tempting to slow down, or to coast, etc. On the trainer, I've looked at TrainerRoad and saw I had another 5 minutes left on an interval, said 'no way'. Then 4 minutes left, then 3 minutes left, then 15 seconds left and finally "Wow, Guess I COULD do it!" (Well I don't say it out loud, I think it. At that point, I can't speak! HA!)

vesteroid

tips for a 20 minute test learned the hard way.

If at all possible know your body. Know what your real max HR is from a flat out hill climb or similar in the past. Know a HR you can sustain for an hour. For instance, I know I can rid all day in the 160 range. I know at max I am 186 or so.

I break my test into 4 parts of 5 minutes each. I start my test and quickly get my HR up to about 175 and try and let it normalize / even out. at 5 minutes I will push this a bit to around 180. At 10 minutes I move it a bit more to more in the 183 range, then at 15 minutes I go all out and just try and hang on...I try and get to my max and keep pedaling.

Going out too fast is a recipe for disaster on that 20 minute test, and since you dont know what kind of power you can actually hold (hence the test) I use my HR to meter how hard I am going.

Anyway, this works for me, and thought it may help someone else.

As to comments about a given workout being too hard or too easy, remember that the whole point of FTP. Each workout is scaled to your ability. If your following the training plans, ride the workout it gives you, and set your FTP correctly, it may suck, but it wont be too hard.

dr_lha

It's weird, the 20 minute test was the first thing I ever did on TrainerRoad and I had no problem with it. Now I look at that 20 minute stretch with fear, and stick with the 8-minute test. This clearly means I should do the 20 minute test tonight.

salreus

The workouts are based off the FTP I did on my 8 min test on the production software but now that I am on the beta, the workouts are too hard for me to finish. I believe they read the power differently and what is FTP on one isn't the same on the beta. but I haven't read anyone else having this issue. But, I'll see how I fair come tues. Else, I am just not good at working beyond my LTHR and just burn out. I can do a short burst above my LTHR but I can't sustain it for an extended amount of time. Which is the issue I had with Goddard. It kept me out of my sustainable range too long where I had nothing left but to soft pedal the last 15 min.

I would be interested in taking the 8 min on the new beta except for the cadence is so jacked up. I would rather go back to the production app.

salreus

@dr_lha, I got a new beta software for TR tonight. I'll check it out tomorrow. Looks like they might have addressed the high speed/power issue... Not that I plan on pushing it high to verify the issue. But hopefully the speed/cadence issue is resolve. that would be nice.

salreus

That was short lived. I just jumped on because I didn't want to wait. Still jacked up. And I am using blue SC so not sure what the issue is. I even forgot and repaired but still no joy.

dr_lha

Are you reporting these issues to them? Maybe I should try the beta, but I'm not sure I want to mess around when what I really want to be doing is training, and currently the release version is working for me (well, with some small jumps).

salreus

I have sent a few emails to Nate as well as uploaded my findings to the Q&A. But maybe I have a bad blue SC or not set up correct. but i don't think so. I'll try again with a different app to see what results I get. I am with you, I want to jump on and ride. I might just download the stable version and give it a go tonight to see how that fairs and then I can always download the beta again and play around on my non workout days.

Sign up for the beta, you can always check it out while they do upgrades. I think he posted last night that he is going to open the beta up for the app store. so, you won't have to go through the beta program like I am.

dr_lha

Yeah, I sent Nate an email. I'm still getting power spikes, so I'd like to see that issue go away.

salreus

Below is the info about the beta that was released yesterday. Looks like they might have fixed the spike issue.

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/...59&oe=555D1758