Blowing Red Lights
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 877
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 362 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 136 Times
in
82 Posts
Blowing Red Lights
A racer type blew not one but two red light, right in a row. What should I've done in this case? Said nother or chase him down and give him a ear full?
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA
Posts: 27,548
Mentioned: 217 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18417 Post(s)
Liked 4,532 Times
in
3,366 Posts
It may be hard to catch him... unless you also follow him through the lights.
I'd ignore it if he was safe.
If he was doing something that was foolishly dangerous, you could point out that it reflects badly on all cyclists.
However, as I've gotten older, I've gotten less patient for poorly designed light switch mechanisms, especially left turns, but in general, I don't believe it is reasonable to expect bikes to go off the street to access light buttons. And, there are intersections where there are no buttons or way to reliably trip the light. How long should one wait for a car to come up behind oneself?
Also with safety, there may be some situations where it may be safer, and less disruptive to traffic flow to get through the intersection before a line of cars forms behind oneself.
I mentioned in another topic that I think there are certain lights that should be treated as stopsigns, especially at low traffic. Unfortunately that isn't the law... yet.
I'd ignore it if he was safe.
If he was doing something that was foolishly dangerous, you could point out that it reflects badly on all cyclists.
However, as I've gotten older, I've gotten less patient for poorly designed light switch mechanisms, especially left turns, but in general, I don't believe it is reasonable to expect bikes to go off the street to access light buttons. And, there are intersections where there are no buttons or way to reliably trip the light. How long should one wait for a car to come up behind oneself?
Also with safety, there may be some situations where it may be safer, and less disruptive to traffic flow to get through the intersection before a line of cars forms behind oneself.
I mentioned in another topic that I think there are certain lights that should be treated as stopsigns, especially at low traffic. Unfortunately that isn't the law... yet.
#3
Senior Member
There's no right answer to this question. This kind of behavior is out of control here in New York, and all the ears-full in the world can't change the people who do it. If you had chased him down and said something, you might feel better afterward, but he'd be out there making us all look bad the very next day. When you say nothing, YOU end up being the one who suffers from the frustration.
I just go out there and try to be the best example I can be, every day. I know it sounds self-righteous and that I might sometimes look ridiculous waiting at a red light when there isn't a single car, bike, or pedestrian anywhere in sight, but I figure my over-the-top adherence to the rules might balance the total disregard for them by others. Nah...it doesn't.
I just go out there and try to be the best example I can be, every day. I know it sounds self-righteous and that I might sometimes look ridiculous waiting at a red light when there isn't a single car, bike, or pedestrian anywhere in sight, but I figure my over-the-top adherence to the rules might balance the total disregard for them by others. Nah...it doesn't.
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 1,230
Bikes: 2007 Giant Cypress DX, Windsor Tourist 2011
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Running red lights I view as more dangerous than running stop signs. However, there may be times when your bike does not trip the sensor and it's sort of a necessary evil. I wouldn't chase anyone down, however. I don't view it as my place to do that sort of thing.
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: So Cal
Posts: 701
Bikes: Cimarrons 1835, 0836, 1767, 3517, 0768, 3408, a LHT, and a couple others
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times
in
8 Posts
I was going to share a similar story about my ride home yesterday; I had a guy catch me yesterday on the MUT, just before we both hopped off to continue on side streets. The first thing I noticed was his bike; a vintage machine much like one I have. We started chatting, and determined that we were heading in the same direction which could have resulted in us riding 10-15 miles together. By the second stop light, it was evident that he wasn't going to obey any traffic laws at all, and I think he got the hint pretty quick that I wasn't interested in riding with him, because I wouldn't follow. All I could think of was how many drivers he was going to piss off on my regular route. Sure I could have told him that he's making all cyclists look bad, but I've come to realize that riders like him don't give two ****s about what others think. I continued on and ended up having a wonderful ride home solo like I usually do. While I would never, ever wish harm onto a fellow cyclist, if that guy continues to ride like I witnessed yesterday, it's only a matter of time before I read about him in the newspaper. I don't run lights. Ever. Not worth it.
#6
DLifer
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Denver Colorado
Posts: 115
Bikes: Trek 2.1, Surly LHT, GT Sensor
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Blowing a red light = not slowing down at all.
Running a red light = crossing the intersection while the light is red.
Big difference. The former is always a risk, but if you stop, there is no traffic the other direction, and you know you won't trip the light, where is the harm?
Running a red light = crossing the intersection while the light is red.
Big difference. The former is always a risk, but if you stop, there is no traffic the other direction, and you know you won't trip the light, where is the harm?
#7
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NA
Posts: 4,267
Bikes: NA
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
7 Posts
The ironic thing is that the busy body cyclists who bunch their briefs into a knot over red light yielding also violate *THE LAW* just about every time they ride. I guess some laws matter more than others...
Last edited by spare_wheel; 04-18-15 at 12:56 PM.
#8
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NA
Posts: 4,267
Bikes: NA
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
7 Posts
The law in OR requires cyclists to signal every turn and stop with the appropriate hand or arm signal continuously for 100 feet. I don't give a @#$% about light running but I really hate scofflaws who fail to signal and always make a point of chasing them down and berating them for making us all look bad!
#9
Jedi Master
Certainly no point in giving him an earful. If he doesn't care about blowing red lights, he certainly won't care what you have to say about it. Probably wouldn't care what a cop said about it either. As @spare_wheel points out, everyone breaks the law. We all just have to decide which ones we are going to break.
#10
Banned
This is America , land of Ayn Rand ethics of self intrest. , .. They will Darwin themselves out some day.
Colorado has thawed out and the fancy race Bikes come out in the spring
Colorado has thawed out and the fancy race Bikes come out in the spring
Last edited by fietsbob; 04-19-15 at 09:28 AM.
#11
Senior Member
I wouldn't have chased him down but if he and I ended up together at another light I'd say something. Eventually people begin to get the message that what they're doing is or is not socially acceptable and change their behavior accordingly. If you pull a girls bikini off and ra** her on a beach with a bunch of people standing around and none of them say anything you get a message that it's OK. If you blow stop lights and stop signs and nobody says anything then you get a message that it's OK.
#13
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NA
Posts: 4,267
Bikes: NA
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
7 Posts
Ever biked in central Amsterdam? It's the bike scofflaw center of the freaking universe. In fact, it's glorious to see streams of cyclists continue crossing even though the light has changed...
Last edited by spare_wheel; 04-18-15 at 01:18 PM.
#14
Senior Member
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur
Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2953 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times
in
1,417 Posts
Your answer to the following question is dispositive:
Are you a peace officer?
Are you a peace officer?
#17
Senior Member
I've ridden thousands of miles in Amsterdam. Not sure where you read that but it's way off base. You will occasionally see someone on a bike run a red light but it's maybe one in fifty or a hundred. There have actually been problems where they have mis-programmed a light and not given enough cycle time to bicycle riders and ended up with huge congestion because everybody will sit and wait.
#18
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NA
Posts: 4,267
Bikes: NA
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
7 Posts
I've ridden thousands of miles in Amsterdam. Not sure where you read that but it's way off base. You will occasionally see someone on a bike run a red light but it's maybe one in fifty or a hundred. There have actually been problems where they have mis-programmed a light and not given enough cycle time to bicycle riders and ended up with huge congestion because everybody will sit and wait.
#19
Banned
NL? with 40% of the nation on bikes 0.5% is still a Lot of people..
"Critical Mass Rides" Tended to Ignore traffic signs
"Critical Mass Rides" Tended to Ignore traffic signs
#20
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,852
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5858 Post(s)
Liked 2,699 Times
in
1,507 Posts
If tha answer to all the above is no, then do nothing, and worry about yourself. He's not your responsibility, but if you feel somehow that he reflects poorly on you, then you need to let go of group mentality because it doesn't do anybody any good.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#21
Senior Member
Are you a cop on duty? Or his parent or Guardian? Or if you feel compelled to "do something" are you equally compelled about motorists who violate the law?
If tha answer to all the above is no, then do nothing, and worry about yourself. He's not your responsibility, but if you feel somehow that he reflects poorly on you, then you need to let go of group mentality because it doesn't do anybody any good.
If tha answer to all the above is no, then do nothing, and worry about yourself. He's not your responsibility, but if you feel somehow that he reflects poorly on you, then you need to let go of group mentality because it doesn't do anybody any good.
Roy
#22
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,852
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5858 Post(s)
Liked 2,699 Times
in
1,507 Posts
I will tell you this I see the same type of riders pass between me on a bike and people on foot several times this year alone. Often people with pets or small Children . Sooner or later some one is going to do it while I'm on foot with my grandkids, they will go down you can count on it
Roy
Roy
If/when there's a situation where a cyclist is a direct threat to you and yours then you may react appropriately, though be aware that in most states, if you push or hit a cyclist simply because he passed too close or too fast, that's assault and you can be prosecuted for it.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#23
Senior Member
OK, so accept your premise that you should somehow intercede and tell him what's what. What exactly do you think you'll achieve? Do you actually believe that he'll modify his conduct because some busybody berated him. Be real, he'll write you off as some nut and go on with his day.
If/when there's a situation where a cyclist is a direct threat to you and yours then you may react appropriately, though be aware that in most states, if you push or hit a cyclist simply because he passed too close or too fast, that's assault and you can be prosecuted for it.
If/when there's a situation where a cyclist is a direct threat to you and yours then you may react appropriately, though be aware that in most states, if you push or hit a cyclist simply because he passed too close or too fast, that's assault and you can be prosecuted for it.
You act like an idiot I will tell you about it You are free to stop and discuss it
It gets old having mostly people on high end road bikes dressed in full bike gear thinking they should not have to follow the rules
Roy
#24
Senior Member
I was going to share a similar story about my ride home yesterday; I had a guy catch me yesterday on the MUT, just before we both hopped off to continue on side streets...and determined that we were heading in the same direction which could have resulted in us riding 10-15 miles together. By the second stop light, it was evident that he wasn't going to obey any traffic laws at all, and I think he got the hint pretty quick that I wasn't interested in riding with him, because I wouldn't follow. ...
It's hard enough when you see strangers pull this kind of crap. But what do you do when it's a friend or family member?
#25
Senior Member
The other day, I told a guy flying a kite in the park at the end of the runway at Reagan National Airport it was illegal. Assumed he didn't know better. Common sense would tell most people flying a kite with planes landing overhead is dangerous, if not against the law. Probably saved the guy either a ticket or arrest or at a minimum, hassle by the police. Someone running a red light knows it's illegal and possibly dangerous, and doesn't need you chasing them down to let them know.