Commute too short?
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"Several short trips taken from a cold start can use twice as much fuel as a longer multipurpose trip covering the same distance when the engine is warm." -- https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/planning.shtml
"Vehicles are least fuel efficient and most polluting at the start of trips and on short trips. One reason for this is that catalytic converters (which reduce air pollution emissions) do not operate properly until they have warmed up. Trips of less than five kilometres generally do not allow the engine to reach its peak operating temperature." -- Fuel Consumption - Ten Top Tips for Fuel Efficient Driving
"Short trips mean the engine doesn’t have a chance to warm completely, and this greatly effects fuel economy. Group trips together if possible." -- 30 fuel savers economy tips
"Vehicles are least fuel efficient and most polluting at the start of trips and on short trips. One reason for this is that catalytic converters (which reduce air pollution emissions) do not operate properly until they have warmed up. Trips of less than five kilometres generally do not allow the engine to reach its peak operating temperature." -- Fuel Consumption - Ten Top Tips for Fuel Efficient Driving
"Short trips mean the engine doesn’t have a chance to warm completely, and this greatly effects fuel economy. Group trips together if possible." -- 30 fuel savers economy tips
The OP is talking about a 1.5 mile distance to work and whether it's worth it to ride a bicycle. If all you were trying to say to begin with was that we burn zero gallons of gas peddling a bicycle and emit no CO2, then fine, I agree. I didn't get that out your post that I quoted.
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Move 10 miles away from your work or get another job that is farther away. That way you'll have a longer commute.
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Back to the original post: I'd either walk the 1.5 miles or extend it on the bicycle to make it worth it in terms of health benefit and justifying the preparation. Actually, I used to do the latter when my commute was around 10 miles one way.
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If you like biking enough to want to bike your commute, then do it. Pick a longer, less direct route to work and wear your cycling clothing so you don't sweat. Why do you need to post on a forum to figure that out. Your commute is too short? Then make it longer.
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"Several short trips taken from a cold start can use twice as much fuel as a longer multipurpose trip covering the same distance when the engine is warm." -- https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/planning.shtml
"Vehicles are least fuel efficient and most polluting at the start of trips and on short trips. One reason for this is that catalytic converters (which reduce air pollution emissions) do not operate properly until they have warmed up. Trips of less than five kilometres generally do not allow the engine to reach its peak operating temperature." -- Fuel Consumption - Ten Top Tips for Fuel Efficient Driving
"Short trips mean the engine doesn’t have a chance to warm completely, and this greatly effects fuel economy. Group trips together if possible." -- 30 fuel savers economy tips
"Vehicles are least fuel efficient and most polluting at the start of trips and on short trips. One reason for this is that catalytic converters (which reduce air pollution emissions) do not operate properly until they have warmed up. Trips of less than five kilometres generally do not allow the engine to reach its peak operating temperature." -- Fuel Consumption - Ten Top Tips for Fuel Efficient Driving
"Short trips mean the engine doesn’t have a chance to warm completely, and this greatly effects fuel economy. Group trips together if possible." -- 30 fuel savers economy tips
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Millions of folks outside the U.S. commute 1 to 2 miles. Perfect distance for riding. That said, I think you're over-complicating things. I assume you wouldn't drive a Formula One car to work and wear a fire suit, helmet, gloves, and driving boots? Why do that with a bike?
Get a good upright city bike, forget the helmet and other complicated gook, and enjoy riding and arriving refreshed and sweat free.
Get a good upright city bike, forget the helmet and other complicated gook, and enjoy riding and arriving refreshed and sweat free.
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My coworkers have been arguing in a lawyerly fashion whether taking a longer route can be counted as commuting for the purpose of honestly logging Bike Month miles; also whether a round trip counts as two or one.
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Millions of folks outside the U.S. commute 1 to 2 miles. Perfect distance for riding. That said, I think you're over-complicating things. I assume you wouldn't drive a Formula One car to work and wear a fire suit, helmet, gloves, and driving boots? Why do that with a bike?
Get a good upright city bike, forget the helmet and other complicated gook, and enjoy riding and arriving refreshed and sweat free.
Get a good upright city bike, forget the helmet and other complicated gook, and enjoy riding and arriving refreshed and sweat free.
I do have a townie bike with upright bars, no special clothes required. I also have a helmet.
Walking is too annoying! It is not that it is so far. But that is a 30 minute walk! I get my walking miles in from the train to the office. Biking is half the time, even with lights!
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That's why they started counting multipurpose miles. I log a lot of those: 3 days a week, I drop my backpack at work, meet my buddy for a training ride on the ARBT, and then ride back to the office. Makes sense to me.
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OP is overthinking this too much...I don't see any problem with a short commute, just ride you bike and don't worry about it.
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Since I cycle commute for fitness (in cycling clothes and on a road bike), IMO 10 miles is a minimum. My shortest route is 14 miles, and I expand it during the nice weather. I also have the option of the Commuter train home.
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I don't mean to analyze you, but I think you might be suffering from depression. No kidding. For me, the best cure has always been getting on a bicycle, whether for ten minutes or ten hours.
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Buy a 3 speed and take a leisurely route. Stop and get coffee on your way. When I started college I commuted about that distance in plain clothes. I shared your sentiments about preparing for a short commute - fighting morning rush hour traffic, trying to find even a crappy parking spot, and averaging terrible fuel mileage because my truck's cast iron block was just warming up by the time I almost to campus. And dealing with permits and parking patrol...ugh. My ride took just as long as driving, I got to be outside and I showed up to class a/o x3 when all the other lazy kids were struggling to get out of their rooms.
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Time to quote Grant Petersen: there are no junk miles. Not all rides have to be a race or a workout.
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Once you start feeling warm and just about to break into a sweat, take a break by the side of the road, relax and have a drink of iced water. Drink enough to cool down. Wait 5 mins.. then get moving again.
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......... My commute is only 1.5 miles, and I am starting to wonder if it is even worth it to commute to work. With only a 3 mile round trip commute, I am not getting much benefit in terms of fun, co2, health, or cost savings, but I still get to work dripping in sweat when it is hot and humid (which I understand increases in frequency between now and September).
........ What would you do?
........ What would you do?
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That said, I do like how the generally-agreed definition of commuting miles here on BF is whatever you ride between leaving home for work and returning home. Just as you might optionally run errands or take the scenic route in your car, so you ought to be allowed to count deviations from your MDAS route as part of your commute.
I hope the coworkers in question are also bike commuters; if they don't have a horse in this race, their judgments can be ignored.
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Well, this is a biased sample. Riding easily in the morning shouldn't make you sweat. Take the long way home and ride hard.
I have an 8 mile commute, though I frequently take the bus and chop out all but 1.2 miles. Ah, but half of that 1.2 miles is a twisty turny down hill through a park. Hoo Ha! More frequently, I will ride the entire route home.
I have an 8 mile commute, though I frequently take the bus and chop out all but 1.2 miles. Ah, but half of that 1.2 miles is a twisty turny down hill through a park. Hoo Ha! More frequently, I will ride the entire route home.
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I would still ride, just do it at a leisurely pace....I would wager that despite you feeling like you are keeping up at your fast pace, that from the cars perspective you are still a slow moving object to avoid...I doubt whether going from 16mph to 8 Will make it all of the sudden more difficult for them...I think that's in your head.
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I would still ride, just do it at a leisurely pace....I would wager that despite you feeling like you are keeping up at your fast pace, that from the cars perspective you are still a slow moving object to avoid...I doubt whether going from 16mph to 8 Will make it all of the sudden more difficult for them...I think that's in your head.
Most of my transportation riding is on bikeways or MUPs. Otherwise I make liberal use of sidewalks and other options for staying out of the way of cars whenever I can. I'm not a fan of angering motorists by asserting my rights to get in their way and even less so of those who won't realize I'm in their way.
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Or a skateboard?